Jeremy
Footballguy
Well, Obama talks a lot about bringing people together, and Hillary is very polarizing, so it wouldn't seem to be a very good fit.
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Homer J Simpson
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Yeah, they legitimately can't stand one another. There's a better chance that she will shoot blood from her eyes in the next debate and erode everything on stage like an Alien queen...well, maybe that is a little more remote but I'm still not ruling it out.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Zero. Point. Zero.
I was hoping there was zero chance...I seriously doubted Hillary would play 2nd fiddle to "the lesser experienced", but I thought I remembered the situation came up during their last debate.
(edit: I also see there's another thread discussing V.P.s already)
(edit: I also see there's another thread discussing V.P.s already)
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Autumn Wind
Footballguy
1 - No chance in hell, not if he wants to get support from independents and disgruntled Repubs.2 - No chance in hell.3 - Bill Richardson?
adonis
Footballguy
Who cares what most people think. You make up your own mind. For those who do their research, and learn about him, there's much more to like than just him opposing the war.
adonis
Footballguy
OK, updated the first page so that all of the links should work. I added a few, and will likely add some more speeches I ran across in updating them, that weren't there when I put this thing together.ALSO, for all supporters and people interested, I put a link at the top of the first page to Obama's Blueprint for Change. If anyone wants to know details of his policies, where he stands on certain issues, or details of certain issues, point them to this document. It has a summary of his positions on many issues, links to speeches that deal with his issues, and links to more fleshed out policies dealing with those issues.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
The more I think about it the more I don't like Richardson. He won't add anything to the ticket for the general election - although he could help in the primaries, Obama will be past Texas by the time he needs to choose a running mate.I hope he goes with another young senator with few negatives.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Not that I'm sold on him, but he seems to have good foreign policy experience.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Wow.
Bill Clintons campaign manager backs Obama
COLUMBUS, Ohio - The man who served as national manager of former President Clinton's 1992 campaign plans to endorse Sen. Barack Obama, an aide to Obama said Wednesday.
Obama's campaign planned a 1 p.m. conference call Wednesday to announce the endorsement by David Wilhelm, who later became chairman of the Democratic National Committee, according to an aide who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement would be made public later in the day.
Bill Clintons campaign manager backs Obama
COLUMBUS, Ohio - The man who served as national manager of former President Clinton's 1992 campaign plans to endorse Sen. Barack Obama, an aide to Obama said Wednesday.
Obama's campaign planned a 1 p.m. conference call Wednesday to announce the endorsement by David Wilhelm, who later became chairman of the Democratic National Committee, according to an aide who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement would be made public later in the day.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Well of course it's 50/50, either Obama would win or McCain would
That might be all that he has. He talks very optimistically about everyone having the ability to do this or do that, but offers nothing specific beyond his healthcare plan.
adonis
Footballguy
Have you read Obama's Blueprint for change to find out about his other policies? There's the link in case you're actually interested in finding out more.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Is it still technically possible for Huckabee to win?
ren hoek
Footballguy
Yeah, I believe he's still in the race. He may have run out of money, but I think people can still vote for him.
cosjobs
Footballguy
Yes, but all scenarios involve the rapture within the next 45 days
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
But that would take away the "He's not specific on anything" whining talking point.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Are you crazy? That'd lock it up for McCain.
goonsquad
Think different.
Interesting. What does that involve? Do you get a badge? Because that'd be pretty cool.
adonis
Footballguy
One can only hope...
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Precinct Captain? Sounds fascist. How do I join?
culdeus
Footballguy
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Sweet J
Footballguy
Well, McCain my drop dead in the next 6 months.
adonis
Footballguy
I was watching CNN last night after the election results were in, after McCain made his speech, and they interviewed Huckabee. It was just him, and the interviewer, and he gave his typical spiel about letting voters decide, majored in miracles not math, but the interviewer asked something along these lines "It's been reported by those who have done the math that it's now a mathematical impossibility for you to win this election. Have your guys done the same math and come to a different conclusion?" And then he rattles off something that seemed to say that even though it's a mathematical impossibility for him to win, he still thinks he can win. I chuckled.
But in my mind, I can't help but think he believes something will happen to McCain, or some scandal will come out, or maybe the hand of God will come down and coronate Huckabee and smite McCain...no one can tell, but what we do know is that even though it's a mathematical impossibility for Huckabee to win, he will still believe he can win. After all, he majored in miracles in college, not math.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
It might have been the same segment, but somebody used the Paul Wellstone example as "anything is possible" so why not stay in the race.
adonis
Footballguy
No reason. I think he should stay in the race, and I think his reasons like "let the voters in states that haven't voted yet have a fair say" or "the republicans set up this system to where you had to have a certain number of delegates to win, and he doesn't have that number yet, so we're going to keep going". Those are great numbers, but it's just funny that he discounts the "mathematical impossible" angle, instead of saying that it's wrong, and that instead anything can happen.If it were truly a mathematical impossibility (which, of course, it isn't) then he'd be silly to stay in, regardless of other reasons.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think a lot of conservatives were over-confident about their ability to defeat Hillary in a general election, and now I think a lot (not all, obviously) Obama supporters are getting overconfident about their ability to defeat McCain. 1. McCain is the strongest general-election candidate the GOP could have offerred up. He's much stronger than Romney, Huckabee, etc. Unlike any of those guys, he appeals to independents and moderate Democrats. 2. The war in Iraq may be unpopular, but I don't think people are ready to vote for losing. And the improving security situation gives McCain an opening to argue, plausibly, that his preferred policy is working. You don't have to agree with that argument to see that it's going to have some electoral appeal. 3. Hawkishness in general, which McCain has in spades, is still appealing to a large chunk of electorate, especially when it's presented in an articulate, non-cartoonish and non-Bushian manner. 4. One would think that McCain would attract a larger-than-usual share of Latino voters because of his immigration policies. 5. We're still something like a 50-50 nation. I don't think any candidate could blow away a credible major-party opponent in today's climate. 6. Race hurt Obama more than I would have expected in the Democratic primaries. If race was an impediment in that environment, it's probably going to cost him a couple percentage points in the general election, too. Don't get me wrong. If I had to bet on a McCain-Obama race, I would bet on Obama. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if McCain scored a mild upset. I'd put the probabilities at something like 55-45 in favor of Obama, but that's just me.timschochet said:
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commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
7. The media love McCain and his straight-talkiness. Doesn't matter that the evidence doesn't support this conclusion, the talking heads have made up their minds and this narrative is fixed around him.I think a lot of conservatives were over-confident about their ability to defeat Hillary in a general election, and now I think a lot (not all, obviously) Obama supporters are getting overconfident about their ability to defeat McCain. 1. McCain is the strongest general-election candidate the GOP could have offerred up. He's much stronger than Romney, Huckabee, etc. Unlike any of those guys, he appeals to independents and moderate Democrats. 2. The war in Iraq may be unpopular, but I don't think people are ready to vote for losing. And the improving security situation gives McCain an opening to argue, plausibly, that his preferred policy is working. You don't have to agree with that argument to see that it's going to have some electoral appeal. 3. Hawkishness in general, which McCain has in spades, is still appealing to a large chunk of electorate, especially when it's presented in an articulate, non-cartoonish and non-Bushian manner. 4. One would think that McCain would attract a larger-than-usual share of Latino voters because of his immigration policies. 5. We're still something like a 50-50 nation. I don't think any candidate could blow away a credibly major-party opponent in today's climate. 6. Race hurt Obama more than I would have expected in the Democratic primaries. If race was an impediment in that environment, it's probably going to cost him a couple percentage points in the general election, too. Don't get me wrong. If I had to bet on a McCain-Obama race, I would bet on Obama. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if McCain scored a mild upset. I'd put the probabilities at something like 55-45 in favor of Obama, but that's just me.timschochet said:
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is a good point. That meme is already set.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Race hurt him initially in states with large Latino populations. Race helped him in states with larger African American states. The fact of the matter is that the only demographic where he's been unable to make signficant inroads is older, white women.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The second part of that post isn't going to be an issue in the general election. Any D was carrying the AA vote 90-10 anyway.
adonis
Footballguy
I think it's probably true that McCain was the best candidate from the GOP, but so was Hillary until about a year ago and we've seen as the process has moved along, Hillary has run into tough times facing Obama.I think 55-45 Obama-McCain sounds about right to me. I can't see McCain engaging in debates with Obama and coming out scoring major points. I can't see McCain mobilizing his base to the degree that Obama will be able to mobilize his. And in a race for the middle, for the indi's and crossovers, I think Obama has the advantage because of his eloquence and ability to inspire and motivate people. McCain is good in his own right, but not Obama good.Like I said earlier, after watching McCain attempt to attack Obama during his victory speech, he's really going to have to step it up to land anything. All of his attacks, if you want to call them that, were vague, petty, and non-substantiative. Obama has run against one of the toughest opponents possible on the democratic side, while McCain's rise was really not all that contested. Giulianoi capsized, Romney and Huckabee split conservative votes, and that left McCain to secure his base and win some converts. He's really been relatively untested moving forward, imo.I'm not going to take the general election for granted, but I suspect Obama will have quite a significant advantage in the odds if he gets the nomination.7. The media love McCain and his straight-talkiness. Doesn't matter that the evidence doesn't support this conclusion, the talking heads have made up their minds and this narrative is fixed around him.I think a lot of conservatives were over-confident about their ability to defeat Hillary in a general election, and now I think a lot (not all, obviously) Obama supporters are getting overconfident about their ability to defeat McCain. 1. McCain is the strongest general-election candidate the GOP could have offerred up. He's much stronger than Romney, Huckabee, etc. Unlike any of those guys, he appeals to independents and moderate Democrats. 2. The war in Iraq may be unpopular, but I don't think people are ready to vote for losing. And the improving security situation gives McCain an opening to argue, plausibly, that his preferred policy is working. You don't have to agree with that argument to see that it's going to have some electoral appeal. 3. Hawkishness in general, which McCain has in spades, is still appealing to a large chunk of electorate, especially when it's presented in an articulate, non-cartoonish and non-Bushian manner. 4. One would think that McCain would attract a larger-than-usual share of Latino voters because of his immigration policies. 5. We're still something like a 50-50 nation. I don't think any candidate could blow away a credibly major-party opponent in today's climate. 6. Race hurt Obama more than I would have expected in the Democratic primaries. If race was an impediment in that environment, it's probably going to cost him a couple percentage points in the general election, too. Don't get me wrong. If I had to bet on a McCain-Obama race, I would bet on Obama. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if McCain scored a mild upset. I'd put the probabilities at something like 55-45 in favor of Obama, but that's just me.timschochet said:
adonis
Footballguy
In last nights elections, Obama made significant inroads in almost every demographic. I don't specifically remember older white women being a category, but I know he won more than 50% of the senior vote.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Aren't AA's voting in larger numbers through the primaries? I bet that trend continues into the national election, if he is the Dem candidate.
Wow. First time I've taken the time to read that. Anyone saying Obama doesn't offer specifics is simply incorrect.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Confirmed Obama Clinton debate at Cleveland State University on Feb. 26 at 9pm.
I am only a few miles from this. Do only super important people get to go? I'm a die hard Obama lover -- I'd do anything to go. Anyone know what I can do?
I am only a few miles from this. Do only super important people get to go? I'm a die hard Obama lover -- I'd do anything to go. Anyone know what I can do?
goonsquad
Think different.
Yep, and every section/issue in the Blueprint has a corresponding web link that goes to a pdf which offers even more in-depth specifics.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
On real time with bill maher this weekend someone said that McCain might have Condoleezza Rice as his VP.
1st, is this really something that he is considering or is it just someone playing fantasy politics.
2nd how would this effect Obama in the general election assuming he get the nominee.
1st, is this really something that he is considering or is it just someone playing fantasy politics.
2nd how would this effect Obama in the general election assuming he get the nominee.
adonis
Footballguy
#1 sounds like fantasy politics to me. I hear talk of Jindal from LA too.#2 First black president trumps first black VP
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Anyone who would be swayed to vote for McCain because of this was never going to vote for Obama anyway.
Chunky Soup
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saintfool
Dead sexy
she's damaged goods, i think. she is a prominent player in this current incredibly unpopular administration. mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.
adonis
Footballguy
His comments rest on the idea that the superdelegates should vote according to the will of the people (pledged delegate count), not just their personal preferences. If this is done, then he's right. If not, it's still in the air. Regardless, I don't see much benefit from making that public.ETA: Actually, the only benefit I see is trying to suggest to those closet Obama supporters that it's safe to come out of the closet, come out from the woods, and stand up for Obama - show your support. Maybe this move was more to encourage those who don't want to back the wrong horse, than to speak to the american people. If you can establish some sense of inevitability for your candidate, it might turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy if you get other people on board too who step up and affirm it, like maybe, Bill Richardson, or say, John Edwards? Next couple of weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to hear from one of them.
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adonis
Footballguy
Just looking through some articles during my bi-hourly news search for interesting articles (busy day at work 
), and found this picture of Hillary on the campaign trail. It has no meaning, just a little funny. Thought it'd make a good photoshop this picture thread, but decided against it.
), and found this picture of Hillary on the campaign trail. It has no meaning, just a little funny. Thought it'd make a good photoshop this picture thread, but decided against it.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Is that Bill in front taking off his wedding ring?Just looking through some articles during my bi-hourly news search for interesting articles (busy day at work), and found this picture of Hillary on the campaign trail. It has no meaning, just a little funny. Thought it'd make a good photoshop this picture thread, but decided against it.
