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[Voltaire]

So, seriously. My choice is really between McCain, Obama and Barr? Really? You guys aren't pulling my leg here for all the Israel threads? I'd be willing to wear a dunce cap or something if you give me the list of the real nominees.......

I know I'm excited too. For the first time in recent memory, the voters can't screw it up. They've got two good choices. It's pretty refreshing.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So, seriously. My choice is really between McCain, Obama and Barr? Really? You guys aren't pulling my leg here for all the Israel threads? I'd be willing to wear a dunce cap or something if you give me the list of the real nominees.......

I know I'm excited too. For the first time in recent memory, the voters can't screw it up. They've got two good choices. It's pretty refreshing.

 

[Sweet J]

So, seriously. My choice is really between McCain, Obama and Barr? Really? You guys aren't pulling my leg here for all the Israel threads? I'd be willing to wear a dunce cap or something if you give me the list of the real nominees.......

I know I'm excited too. For the first time in recent memory, the voters can't screw it up. They've got two good choices. It's pretty refreshing.

Yankee - how about throwing out some names. Of people that have a real chance of contending (even if they didn't this year), who would you like to see as potential choices?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

This is pretty funny, both of these are from Politico:

Superdelegates surge to Obama

By MIKE ALLEN | 6/3/08 11:04 AM EST Updated: 6/3/08 12:25 PM EST

A tsunami of superdelegates is poised to rush to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) over the next 12 hours, giving him a mathematical lock on his party’s presidential nomination.

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Florida's McDowell for Obama

My colleague Amie Parnes confirms that a Florida Edwards delegate, Fred K. McDowell, -- another half a vote -- has committed to Obama.

Mike Allen calls it a "tsunami."

:(

 

[Pooch]

It's waaay past time to get this over with. I'm looking forward to the tsunami of delegates to Obama tonight.

It's still not clear Hillary will concede even when Obama clinches this evening.

Unreal.

 

[shining path]

How are the last two primaries looking to break? I haven't even been paying attention.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So, seriously. My choice is really between McCain, Obama and Barr? Really? You guys aren't pulling my leg here for all the Israel threads? I'd be willing to wear a dunce cap or something if you give me the list of the real nominees.......

I know I'm excited too. For the first time in recent memory, the voters can't screw it up. They've got two good choices. It's pretty refreshing.

Yankee - how about throwing out some names. Of people that have a real chance of contending (even if they didn't this year), who would you like to see as potential choices?

The guy/gal/mutant/alien that supports the Fair Tax, wants to end the war on drugs and doesn't have the leftist view of American foreign policy...

 

[nedwed.nedhed.nedbed]

It's waaay past time to get this over with. I'm looking forward to the tsunami of delegates to Obama tonight.It's still not clear Hillary will concede even when Obama clinches this evening.Unreal.

unreal? Yes. Unexpected? Not really. on a related note, i found these lyrics to the Hillary campaign theme song...

I want the worldI want the whole worldI want to lock it all up in my pocketIt's my bar of chocolateGive it to meNow!I want todayI want tomorrowI want to wear 'em like braids in my hairAnd I don't want to share 'emI want a party with room fulls of laughterTen thousand tons of ice creamAnd if I don't get the things I am afterI'm going to scream!I want the worksI want the whole worksPresents and prizes and sweets and surprisesOf all shapes and sizesAnd nowDon't care howI want it nowDon't care howI want it now

 

[Moe Green]

So, seriously. My choice is really between McCain, Obama and Barr? Really? You guys aren't pulling my leg here for all the Israel threads? I'd be willing to wear a dunce cap or something if you give me the list of the real nominees.......

I know I'm excited too. For the first time in recent memory, the voters can't screw it up. They've got two good choices. It's pretty refreshing.

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Yankee - how about throwing out some names. Of people that have a real chance of contending (even if they didn't this year), who would you like to see as potential choices?

The guy/gal/mutant/alien that supports the Fair Tax, wants to end the war on drugs and doesn't have the leftist view of American foreign policy...

So all he has to do is smoke a blunt, and you'll be supporting Mike Huckabee?

 

[djcolts]

How are the last two primaries looking to break? I haven't even been paying attention.

Obama will win Montana by double digits. SD too close to call.

 

[djcolts]

How are the last two primaries looking to break? I haven't even been paying attention.

Double digit leads for Obama.

Poblano (who nailed the NC and Indiana primaries) and who runs the fivethirtyeight.com site - estimates Obama winning by 18 in Montana and 5 in SD. He's less sure about SD than Montana because of SD's Native American population.

 

[adonis]

How are the last two primaries looking to break? I haven't even been paying attention.

Obama will win Montana by double digits. SD too close to call.

I saw polls giving Hillary a big lead there... SD: +26% clintonMontana: +4% ObamaRealclearpolitics (ARG Poll from June 2nd).

 

[djcolts]

How are the last two primaries looking to break? I haven't even been paying attention.

Obama will win Montana by double digits. SD too close to call.

I saw polls giving Hillary a big lead there... SD: +26% clintonMontana: +4% ObamaRealclearpolitics (ARG Poll from June 2nd).

I believe Poblano more than ARG. I think he's way more thorough and takes many more factors into account. I don't belive for a second that Hillary will win SD by double digits - more or less 26%.

 

[shining path]

per CNN

Clinton backer Feinstein says it's time to end

Posted: 12:49 PM ET

From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett

Feinstein is a supporter of Hillary Clinton.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Major Hillary Clinton supporter Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Tuesday the final primaries mark a “moment of truth” for the New York senator, who should end her campaign.

The California senator also repeated her view that Clinton should be tapped for the vice presidency.

“I think after the campaigns are wrapped up today, it is in fact a moment of truth,” Feinstein told CNN. “I think a decision has to be made about whether keeping this nomination wide open is in the best interest of winning in November. I do not believe that it is, and I’m a very strong supporter of Hillary being placed on ticket as a vice presidential candidate.”

Feinstein, who endorsed Clinton last summer, has resisted calls for her to use her influence to convince the White House hopeful to abandon her presidential bid, although she said last month that the protracted primary contest was making for dangerous friction within the party.

“The reason I say this is because each one of them represents a different constituency. The constituencies are knocking heads at the present time,” said Feinstein.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Former President Carter says he will endorse Obama

ATLANTA - Former President Carter says he'll endorse Democrat Barack Obama after the polls close on the final primaries.

Carter told The Associated Press on Tuesday: "The fact is the Obama people already know they have my vote when the polls close tonight." Carter spoke to the AP after addressing the Georgia World Congress Center.

Carter, a superdelegate, has remained officially neutral in the race but has offered high praise to Obama. Carter has noted that his children, grandchildren and their spouses back the Illinois senator.

South Dakota and Montana hold primaries Tuesday.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Former President Carter says he will endorse Obama

Ouch. Sorry adonis.

 

[Pooch]

MSNBC is reporting Hillary says "she's open" to being Obama's running mate...

 

[Spiderman]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption.

Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided.

Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain.

Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding).

Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships).

Please advise...

 

[adonis]

Please advise...

Week after week you keep posting polls that just simply don't matter. The general election has not even begun yet. There are few head-to-head comparisons of McCain and obama. The primary should only JUST be wrapping up tonight for the dems.Whatever McCain has now, he has at baseline. Whatever Obama has now, should be his lowest point. McCain is getting virtually no negative press, and gets some of his stuff covered, while Obama is still taking shots from republicans and until recently, other democrats aligned with Clinton.The tides will change. Democrats will line up behind Obama, and McCain will finally get some attention. Give it a few months, and then your poll numbers MIGHT start to mean something, but right now, it's just a snapshot of a comparison that really hasn't been made yet.

 

[adonis]

Former President Carter says he will endorse Obama

Ouch. Sorry adonis.

He's balanced out by a lot of other people I like better .

 

[Pooch]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption.

Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided.

Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain.

Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding).

Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships).

Please advise...

I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way. McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption. Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided. Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain. Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding). Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships). Please advise...

If I had to summarize, I would say that this shows that no one has been paying attention to McCain for last few months. But, please keep posting these. I'll be looking forward to see how the numbers change once the actual campaign starts. It is curious how far off Rasmussen has been from every other polling group though. Not suggesting that one or another is any more accurate since they are all next to irrelevant at this point, but it does raise the question of why?

 

[Spiderman]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption.

Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided.

Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain.

Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding).

Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships).

Please advise...

I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way. McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

 

[Voltaire]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption.

Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided.

Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain.

Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding).

Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships).

Please advise...

I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way. McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

If my guy was in a dead heat while not being campaigned against at all, I'd be just as worried as you.

 

[Jeremy]

MSNBC is reporting Hillary says "she's open" to being Obama's running mate...

Crap. Now if she isn't chosen, her supporters will be even more irate.

 

[Spiderman]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption.

Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided.

Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain.

Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding).

Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships).

Please advise...

I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way. McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

If my guy was in a dead heat while not being campaigned against at all, I'd be just as worried as you.

Based on the mood/morale of the country, Democrats should have a bigger lead.Based on generic Democratic/Republican matchups, Democrats have a double digit lead.

McCain has not gotten a lot of news coverage, and Obama has media cheerleaders getting all hot for him.

I'd say Obama is the one who should be worried about his position currently.

Nice dodge though as you didn't answer any of the questions.

 

[Pooch]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

 

[Voltaire]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain is more trusted on the Economy than Obama by a 47%-41% margin. On the War in Iraq, McCain is more trusted by 49% of voters, while Obama tallied just 37%. National Security? McCain is more trusted by a 53% to 31% blowout margin. McCain also has a 44% to 38% lead on taxes, which 69% of Americans said they feel the next President will raise too much (I wonder who they are referring to). Obama's only major victory was his 43% to 39% squeaker on Government Ethics & Reducing Corruption.

Furthermore, men, who are the key group that does not feel discriminated against by Obama solely on their gender, trust McCain on the economy 55% to 33%. While Obama dominates in voters under 30 years old, McCain has a commanding lead in those over 30 years old. I believe its the 30+ year olds that historically show up for the General election. Of active investors in the market, McCain has a sizeable lead, while in non-investors, the race appears evenly divided.

Union members, a key Obama stronghold, prefer Obama, but only by a 46% to 40% margin. Government workers are evenly split, but Entrepreneurs and Private Sector Employees prefer McCain. 25% of Democrats trust McCain more than Obama, while 64% prefer Obama. The poll also shows that nearly 70% of people feel that any tax hike is bad for the economy and 65% (2/3) oppose an increase in Capital Gains taxes, all great signs for McCain.

Unaffiliated voters trust McCain far more than Obama on the War in Iraq. On a bad note, 59% of voters did say they would prefer American troops come home within a year, but just 25% want them home immediately. The poll also showed that a McCain Presidency was far more likely to win the War in Iraq, while an Obama Presidency was far more likely to bring the troops home sooner (no kidding).

Now, that being said, how can Barack Obama be seen as the frontrunner in this race? I'm lost on that. Also, is it a coincidence that you will never see these poll results, from arguably the leading polling agency in the US, in any major paper or news broadcast? All you hear is how the Republicans are getting trounced, but you never hear how on all of the key issues facing this election, Obama is getting smoked. Add to that one scandal after another that keeps coming out about this guy (and you know there will be more, which Dems will try and deflect saying that we need to focus on the issues that matter and not on relationships).

Please advise...

I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way. McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

If my guy was in a dead heat while not being campaigned against at all, I'd be just as worried as you.

Based on the mood/morale of the country, Democrats should have a bigger lead.Based on generic Democratic/Republican matchups, Democrats have a double digit lead.

McCain has not gotten a lot of news coverage, and Obama has media cheerleaders getting all hot for him.

I'd say Obama is the one who should be worried about his position currently.

Nice dodge though as you didn't answer any of the questions.

It wasn't really a dodge. McCain and Obama are within the margin of error in pretty much every poll. This is with 20% of Hillary voters supporting McCain. As the left focuses on McCain, he's going to lose votes while Obama looks to gain support among Hillary supporters (unless you think they'll all vote R or stay home in the fall which I think is insane).Look, even George Will and other people more partisan than him understand that McCain needs something big to have control of the election. Your boy should be up 10 points.

 

[adonis]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

 

[Spiderman]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

Sarcasm won't change the polling numbers...neither will acting like they don't exist or mean anything.

These differences are vast, but you haven't explained why they are favoring McCain now.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

MSNBC is reporting Hillary says "she's open" to being Obama's running mate...

Crap. Now if she isn't chosen, her supporters will be even more irate.

I think the only way they could be even more irate is if Obama invites her to iron his shirt.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

Sarcasm won't change the polling numbers...neither will acting like they don't exist or mean anything.

These differences are vast, but you haven't explained why they are favoring McCain now.

Jesus Christ.

McCain. Peak.

Obama. Rising.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

Sarcasm won't change the polling numbers...neither will acting like they don't exist or mean anything.

These differences are vast, but you haven't explained why they are favoring McCain now.

I'm pretty sure we have, you just want to believe that this is more significant and that people have "got the message" about Obama. We get it.

Oh, and if polls mean everything, can we just go back and have the last 2 elections decided by national polls since the Democrats would have won both on that criteria? Including the one where we got the most actual votes?

 

[Spiderman]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

 

[Voltaire]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You do realize no one has campaigned against McCain, right? His negatives haven't been brought to light like Obama's have.Your reasoning is terrible, even for a fishing trip.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

MSNBC is reporting Hillary says "she's open" to being Obama's running mate...

Crap. Now if she isn't chosen, her supporters will be even more irate.

I think the only way they could be even more irate is if Obama invites her to iron his shirt.

I'd like to see that New York lady react to that news... her head might literally explode.

 

[Spiderman]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

Sarcasm won't change the polling numbers...neither will acting like they don't exist or mean anything.

These differences are vast, but you haven't explained why they are favoring McCain now.

I'm pretty sure we have, you just want to believe that this is more significant and that people have "got the message" about Obama. We get it.

Oh, and if polls mean everything, can we just go back and have the last 2 elections decided by national polls since the Democrats would have won both on that criteria? Including the one where we got the most actual votes?

National polls in the last two elections favored Democrats leading up the elections, and we saw how that turned out.

 

[Spiderman]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You do realize no one has campaigned against McCain, right? His negatives haven't been brought to light like Obama's have.Your reasoning is terrible, even for a fishing trip.

Wait a second.....What differences has Hillary brought out in Obama? That he's an African American? That he's not as experienced as Hillary ? Please....they were nearly identical on the issues, and it wasn't until the past few weeks that Obama has been seriously challenged on some of his foreign policy believes by McCain.The Democratic Primary was a beauty pagent. Get ready for a fight in the General Election.

 

[adonis]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

Sarcasm won't change the polling numbers...neither will acting like they don't exist or mean anything.

These differences are vast, but you haven't explained why they are favoring McCain now.

While they mean something, they can't be extrapolated to mean something bigger. They are a snapshot of the current state of events in the country. The number of people the polling people talked to felt a certain way, and that is reflected in the result. Why do they feel a certain way? What information is out there? What stage of the campaign are we in?

These, and many more questions, are important in determining what polls mean and what impact the results have on real events. It's my belief that the state of the race right now renders these results meaningless, because the competition now is between Obama and Hillary. They have not formally called that race yet, and until they do, any matchup between either HIllary and McCain or Obama and McCain will not show meaningful results.

Once either Hillary and McCain or Obama and McCain goes up against each other, perception starts to matter. Dirt flies around, contrasts are drawn, people are able to speak for themselves as being the nominee and having the full weight of the party behind them, debates are scheduled, attacks are made.

Do you really think the way Hillary has been treated in the democratic primary, with soft gloves by obama, with no bringing up of her baggage, would bear ANY resemblance to a general election between her and McCain? No, so pulling polling numbers for her running against Obama, and saying that somehow people's opinions of her vs McCain mean something is silly.

In the same way, Obama has been getting ripped new ones daily by the Clinton campaign and has recieved much negative press, and attacks from people within his own party. He's not the clear nominee yet, he's still fighting for the nomination. So with him, receiving almost all of the negative personal attacks in the campaign, to compare him to McCain, who's getting nothing of significance thrown at him by either democrats or republicans, is silly too.

If you want a response that has substance, try starting with your original post. Tell me why a poll comparing two candidates that aren't even running against each other yet has any weight or merit.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

[quote name='Spiderman' post='8726216' date='Jun 3 I'd advise you to try to quell your McCain enthusiasm until the general election gets officially under way.

McCain is weak on all of these areas and will demonstrate that in due time. Patience grasshopper.

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

Seriously? You're reading poll numbers from Rasmussen and trying to equate that to results. Enjoy your McCain fetish now because you're catching him at his peak. It's pretty much downhill from here.

The differences between these two candidates and their respective policies is a stark one. And those differences will not serve McCain well in the general.

But by all means keep us apprised with your stirring updates...

Sarcasm won't change the polling numbers...neither will acting like they don't exist or mean anything.

These differences are vast, but you haven't explained why they are favoring McCain now.

I'm pretty sure we have, you just want to believe that this is more significant and that people have "got the message" about Obama. We get it.

Oh, and if polls mean everything, can we just go back and have the last 2 elections decided by national polls since the Democrats would have won both on that criteria? Including the one where we got the most actual votes?

National polls in the last two elections favored Democrats leading up the elections, and we saw how that turned out.

Is there an echo in here? Anyway, thank you for conceding the point that polls don't accurately predict election outcomes. Particularly 5 months before the election.

I'm also willing to consider a liberal bias in poll data if you can produce more than 2 examples.

 

[adonis]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You do realize no one has campaigned against McCain, right? His negatives haven't been brought to light like Obama's have.Your reasoning is terrible, even for a fishing trip.

Wait a second.....What differences has Hillary brought out in Obama? That he's an African American? That he's not as experienced as Hillary ? Please....they were nearly identical on the issues, and it wasn't until the past few weeks that Obama has been seriously challenged on some of his foreign policy believes by McCain.The Democratic Primary was a beauty pagent. Get ready for a fight in the General Election.

Obama has been in a fight for nearly a year. McCain has been napping, and only recently seems to have come out of hibernation to make a quip here or there about him being a war hero. Great. Thanks McCain.You say numbers speak for themselves, but actually, they don't. ESPECIALLY not poll numbers. They must always be read in context, which is something you seem to have trouble doing.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Only 32 delegates needed.

 

[Voltaire]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You do realize no one has campaigned against McCain, right? His negatives haven't been brought to light like Obama's have.Your reasoning is terrible, even for a fishing trip.

Wait a second.....What differences has Hillary brought out in Obama? That he's an African American? That he's not as experienced as Hillary ? Please....they were nearly identical on the issues, and it wasn't until the past few weeks that Obama has been seriously challenged on some of his foreign policy believes by McCain.The Democratic Primary was a beauty pagent. Get ready for a fight in the General Election.

Obama has been in a fight for nearly a year. McCain has been napping, and only recently seems to have come out of hibernation to make a quip here or there about him being a war hero. Great. Thanks McCain.You say numbers speak for themselves, but actually, they don't. ESPECIALLY not poll numbers. They must always be read in context, which is something you seem to have trouble doing.

This is really all that needs to be said. Anyone who thinks that the primary was a "beauty pagent" is too biased to be swayed by facts or logic.

 

[Gr00vus]

In the latest polls, Rasmussen shows that McCain...

Please advise...

USA Today/Gallup poll from yesterday

Posted 17h 28m ago

USA TODAY/ GALLUP POLL

By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON —

...Obama now edges the presumptive Republican nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain, by 47%-44% among registered voters. A month ago, McCain was ahead by 47%-45%. Both leads are within the margin of error of +/— 4 percentage points...

Perceptions of Clinton among all Americans — 54% favorable, 43% unfavorable — are more positive than they've been in more than a year. Obama's favorable rating is 58%; McCain's 56%.

please advise...

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

7 delegates away to wrapping this up for Obama. This is according to Fox. This is smart on the side of the DNC if it is true. If the supers get out of the way, so the local people of Montana will be putting Obama over the top for the DNC Presidential nominee.

 

[Pooch]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You mean like his "gas tax relief?" The fact that he admits he's clueless about the economy? Please.His gas tax proposal alone pretty much exposes him as a mere panderer.

Just wait until he's asked for substantive policy explanations.

 

[Spiderman]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You do realize no one has campaigned against McCain, right? His negatives haven't been brought to light like Obama's have.Your reasoning is terrible, even for a fishing trip.

Wait a second.....What differences has Hillary brought out in Obama? That he's an African American? That he's not as experienced as Hillary ? Please....they were nearly identical on the issues, and it wasn't until the past few weeks that Obama has been seriously challenged on some of his foreign policy believes by McCain.The Democratic Primary was a beauty pagent. Get ready for a fight in the General Election.

Obama has been in a fight for nearly a year. McCain has been napping, and only recently seems to have come out of hibernation to make a quip here or there about him being a war hero. Great. Thanks McCain.You say numbers speak for themselves, but actually, they don't. ESPECIALLY not poll numbers. They must always be read in context, which is something you seem to have trouble doing.

Explain what major differences Obama and Hillary disagreed upon ? If I recall correctly, I believe Hillary argued that she was providing health care for more people than Obama. What other major differences were argued? They were basically in lock step on nearly every issue. This primary brought up more conversation on the topic of race and sexism than it did on Iraq - because they agreed!Obama's been in a fight in that he had to beat Hillary, and he's winning (and will win) because he's more likable. That's the big diference between the two. It's not because Obama has such differences on issues - it's because Hillary is polarizing, and he isn't (or wasn't as much).Obama ran a great campaign, and beating Hillary is a historic defeat especially considering her pull in the party and how little he had been known/accomplished until now, but the kind of fight Obama was in against Hillary is completely different than the fight he will be in against McCain.

 

[Spiderman]

That's all you have ? Weak. Looking for an actual reason for this since most of the perception is that Democrats are the party of choice right now.

McCain is more trusted than Obama on the economy? You think that'll hold up? Seriously?

The numbers speak for themselves. Not a great finish for Obama. Limping to the finish line, surrounded by scandal, and now being beaten on the issues by McCain.

You mean like his "gas tax relief?" The fact that he admits he's clueless about the economy? Please.His gas tax proposal alone pretty much exposes him as a mere panderer.

Just wait until he's asked for substantive policy explanations.

If he's clueless like you have stated, what does that make Obama, according to the poll numbers?I don't know that raising taxes (directly or indirectly) is a great economic platform to run on.

 

[Spiderman]

7 delegates away to wrapping this up for Obama. This is according to Fox. This is smart on the side of the DNC if it is true. If the supers get out of the way, so the local people of Montana will be putting Obama over the top for the DNC Presidential nominee.

Very smart move. Let him give a celebration speech tonight on all the networks instead of in a press release.

 

[Gr00vus]

but the kind of fight Obama was in against Hillary is completely different than the fight he will be in against McCain.

Good point, it'll probably be easier for Obama from here on out. McCain is easy pickings.