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jdoggydogg
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Are there any viable Hispanic VP candidates? That could bridge the gap that exists between Obama and the Hispanic community.
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timschochet
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Speaking at AIPAC, Obama said that Jerusalem would remain an undivided city within Israel. Yet yesterday Obama said in an interview the fate of Jerusalem will have to be negotiated between the Israelis and the Palestinians. What gives?
BuddyKnuckles
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timschochet
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WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to please a pro-Israel crowd this week by saying that Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel and that the holy city should not be divided. That angered Palestinians, who claim part of the city, and Obama clarified his remarks to say that the fate of Jerusalem should be a matter for negotiation. That angered some Israelis and their U.S. supporters.By week's end no one was happy.WHAT HE SAID:Obama told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided." The remark Wednesday followed an endorsement of peace talks with the Palestinians to form an independent state.On Thursday, Obama was asked if that didn't send the wrong signal to Palestinians who look to the United States to be an honest broker in negotiations with Israel."Obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues," Obama told CNN. "And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations."He added that he remains opposed to division of the city."My belief is that as a practical matter it would be very difficult to execute," he said. "I think that it is smart for us to work through a system in which everybody has access to the extraordinary religious sites in old Jerusalem, but that Israel has a legitimate claim on that city."THE SPIN:Republicans said Obama had backtracked. His campaign said no, he merely explained himself more fully.THE FACTS:Obama is trying to have it both ways, but there is nothing new about that. So does President Bush. President Clinton did, too.A 1995 U.S. law recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered the U.S. embassy to move to Jerusalem from a neutral site in nearby Tel Aviv.Using their presidential power, Clinton and then Bush have routinely suspended the relocation of the embassy while saying the U.S. is still committed to doing it. Bush issued the latest waiver just this week.At the same time, both the Clinton and Bush administrations considered Jerusalem a matter for negotiation between Israel and the Palestinians, just as Obama said he would do. Jerusalem is on the table in the current U.S.-backed negotiations on so-called 'final status issues" in the six-decade conflict.THE BACKSTORY:Jerusalem is an ancient city with historic religious sites sacred to Muslims, Christians and Jews. Jerusalem's modern history is tortured: The United Nations proposed international jurisdiction for Jerusalem when it wrote the mandate for a Jewish state in 1947, but the plan fell apart the next year when the 1948 war divided the city between Israeli and Jordanian control. Israel captured the Old City in the 1967 war, reuniting the city under its disputed jurisdiction. Israel claims all the city as its capital, and maintains the seat of government there. The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state. _By AP Diplomatic Writer Anne Gearanneed to see context first
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BuddyKnuckles
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C'mon Tim, an Op-Ed piece wrapped around half a quote from Obama isnt context. Show me the speech/interview where he said it was open for negotiation. I can find the speech to AIPAC, but i cant find anything about this quote. I'm not saying that he did or did not back track. I just want to be able to look at all of the speeches/interviews before making an educated replyWASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to please a pro-Israel crowd this week by saying that Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel and that the holy city should not be divided. That angered Palestinians, who claim part of the city, and Obama clarified his remarks to say that the fate of Jerusalem should be a matter for negotiation. That angered some Israelis and their U.S. supporters.By week's end no one was happy.WHAT HE SAID:Obama told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided." The remark Wednesday followed an endorsement of peace talks with the Palestinians to form an independent state.On Thursday, Obama was asked if that didn't send the wrong signal to Palestinians who look to the United States to be an honest broker in negotiations with Israel."Obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues," Obama told CNN. "And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations."He added that he remains opposed to division of the city."My belief is that as a practical matter it would be very difficult to execute," he said. "I think that it is smart for us to work through a system in which everybody has access to the extraordinary religious sites in old Jerusalem, but that Israel has a legitimate claim on that city."THE SPIN:Republicans said Obama had backtracked. His campaign said no, he merely explained himself more fully.THE FACTS:Obama is trying to have it both ways, but there is nothing new about that. So does President Bush. President Clinton did, too.A 1995 U.S. law recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered the U.S. embassy to move to Jerusalem from a neutral site in nearby Tel Aviv.Using their presidential power, Clinton and then Bush have routinely suspended the relocation of the embassy while saying the U.S. is still committed to doing it. Bush issued the latest waiver just this week.At the same time, both the Clinton and Bush administrations considered Jerusalem a matter for negotiation between Israel and the Palestinians, just as Obama said he would do. Jerusalem is on the table in the current U.S.-backed negotiations on so-called 'final status issues" in the six-decade conflict.THE BACKSTORY:Jerusalem is an ancient city with historic religious sites sacred to Muslims, Christians and Jews. Jerusalem's modern history is tortured: The United Nations proposed international jurisdiction for Jerusalem when it wrote the mandate for a Jewish state in 1947, but the plan fell apart the next year when the 1948 war divided the city between Israeli and Jordanian control. Israel captured the Old City in the 1967 war, reuniting the city under its disputed jurisdiction. Israel claims all the city as its capital, and maintains the seat of government there. The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state. _By AP Diplomatic Writer Anne Gearan
timschochet
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Actually, if you read the article, it doesn't make Obama look bad at all, or at least not any worse than the last two presidents.
However, in speaking to Jewish relatives of mine, I have to report that the perception is definitely out there that Obama is not really a friend to Israel. 75% of Jews in this country votes Democrat and a large majority of them supported Clinton. It's a real problem for him, because despite the small numbers of Jews in this country (2%) they are prominent in key swing states like Florida. Perhaps more importantly, if they don't come to his support he will be perceived as too out of the mainstream.
However, in speaking to Jewish relatives of mine, I have to report that the perception is definitely out there that Obama is not really a friend to Israel. 75% of Jews in this country votes Democrat and a large majority of them supported Clinton. It's a real problem for him, because despite the small numbers of Jews in this country (2%) they are prominent in key swing states like Florida. Perhaps more importantly, if they don't come to his support he will be perceived as too out of the mainstream.
NorvilleBarnes
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Doesn't sound like a backtrack to me.WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to please a pro-Israel crowd this week by saying that Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel and that the holy city should not be divided. That angered Palestinians, who claim part of the city, and Obama clarified his remarks to say that the fate of Jerusalem should be a matter for negotiation. That angered some Israelis and their U.S. supporters.need to see context first
By week's end no one was happy.
WHAT HE SAID:
Obama told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided." The remark Wednesday followed an endorsement of peace talks with the Palestinians to form an independent state.
On Thursday, Obama was asked if that didn't send the wrong signal to Palestinians who look to the United States to be an honest broker in negotiations with Israel.
"Obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues," Obama told CNN. "And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations."
He added that he remains opposed to division of the city.
"My belief is that as a practical matter it would be very difficult to execute," he said. "I think that it is smart for us to work through a system in which everybody has access to the extraordinary religious sites in old Jerusalem, but that Israel has a legitimate claim on that city."
THE SPIN:
Republicans said Obama had backtracked. His campaign said no, he merely explained himself more fully.
THE FACTS:
Obama is trying to have it both ways, but there is nothing new about that. So does President Bush. President Clinton did, too.
A 1995 U.S. law recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered the U.S. embassy to move to Jerusalem from a neutral site in nearby Tel Aviv.
Using their presidential power, Clinton and then Bush have routinely suspended the relocation of the embassy while saying the U.S. is still committed to doing it. Bush issued the latest waiver just this week.
At the same time, both the Clinton and Bush administrations considered Jerusalem a matter for negotiation between Israel and the Palestinians, just as Obama said he would do. Jerusalem is on the table in the current U.S.-backed negotiations on so-called 'final status issues" in the six-decade conflict.
THE BACKSTORY:
Jerusalem is an ancient city with historic religious sites sacred to Muslims, Christians and Jews.
Jerusalem's modern history is tortured: The United Nations proposed international jurisdiction for Jerusalem when it wrote the mandate for a Jewish state in 1947, but the plan fell apart the next year when the 1948 war divided the city between Israeli and Jordanian control. Israel captured the Old City in the 1967 war, reuniting the city under its disputed jurisdiction.
Israel claims all the city as its capital, and maintains the seat of government there. The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state.
_By AP Diplomatic Writer Anne Gearan
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Can anyone find adonis in the background?
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bigbottom
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my favorite:my favorite:
Bamboo Bill
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lolbigbottom said:my favorite:my favorite:
Orange Crush
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Interesting write-up on Obamacans (Republicans who are supporting Obama):
I've read books and/or articles by Friedman and ####uyama. They certainly seem philosophically opposed to Obama, but it seems they see Obama's pragmatism as a reason to support him over McCain. Interesting.
BuddyKnuckles
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Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.
The favorite at InTrade is still the field rather than any of the 15 candidates listed.But of the people listed, here are the percentage chances based on current bid prices:Jim Webb - 20.3%Hillary Clinton - 14.7%Mark Warner - 7%Bill Richardson - 5.7%Al Gore - 5%Wesley Clark - 5%Evan Bayh - 5%Joe Biden - 3.8%Sam Nunn - 3%John Edwards - 2.8%Ted Strickland - 1.4%Christopher Dodd - 1.1%Tom Daschle - 1%Tom Vilsack - 0.5%Bob Kerrey - 0.5%
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NorvilleBarnes
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Just caught him last night on Daily Show. Seems safe and boring as hell.
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I saw him too, but I felt like he would be perfect. Military record. Strong support of the Armed Forces. From a state ripe for the picking. White. Not too old. Male.
BuddyKnuckles
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Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.
I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrong
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Bonzai
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Boring? He's not a funny guy, but he's pretty fiery, isn't he?I like him.
Bonzai
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Gore? Really? Forgot about Clark. Thought there would be some more names that jumped out at me.I like Webb and Biden.
jdoggydogg
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There are a couple of names being kicked around (Jim Webb and Republican Senator Chuck Hagel), but it's pure speculation. I did some Net research on this, and no one seems to know for sure who's on the short list. CNN says that up to 20 people are on the list so far.Bonzai said:
NorvilleBarnes
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Hannity & Colmes (I know) is reporting that Webb made statements sympathetic to the confederacy.Bonzai said:
Black Sunshine
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NCCommish
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So have I. Doesn't mean I plan on restarting the War or that I support slavery.
Sweet J
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No WAY he picks Webb. Not in a million years. Some women are crazy angry at Obama, and if he picks a guy who wrote that "women aren't cut out for the military" (or whatever it was), it would be brutal. He doesn't pick Webb. He has to keep CrazyHillaryWomen from going crazier.
Same with Richardson. There would be a revolt. Cats and dogs living together; women would stop baking pies; mass hysteria.
No way he picks Hillary.
Al Gore won't happen. Too distracting. Too much love his way.
Neither will Biden. Too much loose cannon.
No John Edwards. Nancypants. Nuff said.
I think he goes in one of two directions. Either (1) a Hillary backer, like Wes Clark or Even Byah, or (2) a woman, like Kathleen Sebeilas, gov of KS.
If my wife allowed me to gamble, I think it is a SERIOUS +EV right now to pick Clark, Byah, or Sebeilas. Heck, I could even pull a Dodds, and go "anybody but Webb or Hillary."
Same with Richardson. There would be a revolt. Cats and dogs living together; women would stop baking pies; mass hysteria.
No way he picks Hillary.
Al Gore won't happen. Too distracting. Too much love his way.
Neither will Biden. Too much loose cannon.
No John Edwards. Nancypants. Nuff said.
I think he goes in one of two directions. Either (1) a Hillary backer, like Wes Clark or Even Byah, or (2) a woman, like Kathleen Sebeilas, gov of KS.
If my wife allowed me to gamble, I think it is a SERIOUS +EV right now to pick Clark, Byah, or Sebeilas. Heck, I could even pull a Dodds, and go "anybody but Webb or Hillary."
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NorvilleBarnes
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That's it, you're off the short list.
jdoggydogg
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I've heard he'd want a VP with military experience, but that's just more speculation.
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BigSteelThrill
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Or he could pick Colin Powell. And if he ever accepted this election would be over.
Trey
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NBC/WSJ
The poll offers some evidence that Sen. Obama could be helped by picking Sen. Clinton as his running mate. Offered a choice between an Obama-Clinton ticket and a Republican ticket of Sen. McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, 39% of previously undecided voters said they would choose the Democrats, with 26% favoring the Republicans and the rest still undecided. By 47% to 37%, Democratic voters favor an Obama-Clinton ticket; the margin is greater among women.
Obama 47
McCain 41
Obama/Clinton 51
McCain/Romney 42
The poll offers some evidence that Sen. Obama could be helped by picking Sen. Clinton as his running mate. Offered a choice between an Obama-Clinton ticket and a Republican ticket of Sen. McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, 39% of previously undecided voters said they would choose the Democrats, with 26% favoring the Republicans and the rest still undecided. By 47% to 37%, Democratic voters favor an Obama-Clinton ticket; the margin is greater among women.
Obama 47
McCain 41
Obama/Clinton 51
McCain/Romney 42
Gopher State
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I know if Obama picks Clinton he gets my vote. If not it's McCain to the house
Mr. Pickles
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I hope you realize this makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever.
Maybe the margin is so wide because Romney is on the ticket. He is kind of a turd...
Josie Maran
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Kind of? Pretty sure that he's some kind of turd royalty.
BigSteelThrill
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Haven't both Hannity and Rush recently stated they want Romney as the VP choice?If so, that might be why he is on there as they had to put someone. And the GOP mouthpieces selection is as good as anything.
jdoggydogg
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If the local five star restaraunt serves filet mignon, I will eat there for four years. If not, it's McDonald's for the next for years.
Black Sunshine
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I like Biden but he has a tendency to insert his foot in his mouth a bit too much.
BuddyKnuckles
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Dude. You and some other Hill fanatics already tried to hold the party hostage with your votes. It didnt work then and it wont work now. Give it up.
BigSteelThrill
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A woman scorned...
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