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When a cab driver sees a mixed-race guy, they see a black guy, not a white guy. When an mixed-race guy gets pulled over by the police, the police don't see a white guy. I'm not saying these things to sound incendiary. Just saying that I can see why he'd identify himself as a black man.
Answered this long long ago. Like jdog said, if you look black, you're treated as black in this country. He identifies most with how he's treated or seen. Makes sense.
I don't trust FL, MO, OH, NC, or even VA. Or rather, I'm not thinking "he's just got to win one of these states". I think he either wins them all or loses them all, which is why I'm hoping that he opens up some truly insurmountable leads in PA and CO, and one more little state to put him over 270. I'd rather him have a lock on the election, rather than increase his odds of a landslide at the expense of the odds of just a straight victory.
this is pretty much it in a nutshell, at least from my point of view. When a vocal minority wrestles control of a political party, fracture and freefall are inevitable. Its funny that McCain's big argument is that Obama is extreme when the extremist ideology of the GOP is the precise reason for their imminent downfall.
If I were allowed to post in here, this is where I'd discuss all of the illegal campaign contributions he's received.He just outspent McCain, that's all.
eh McCain has really run an inept campaign
That was an excellent article and basically describes why this former repub is voting Obama in '08.
It has nothing to do with McCains VP choice, McCain's erracticness and lack of focus of their campaign, McCain's weakness on the economy, McCain's attempts at distracting with Ayers and other nonsense, nothing to do with the fact that Obama was 3 for 3 in the debates, nothing to do with the fact that Obama's campaign has had a focused steady campaign since the primaries. Ok.
I'm voting for Obama but lets be real.I think Biden is just as bad a choice as Palin, agree on lack of focus,Obama is just as weak as McCain on the economy,Ayers isn't nonsense but I do agree McCain did nothing in the debatesIt has nothing to do with McCains VP choice, McCain's erracticness and lack of focus of their campaign, McCain's weakness on the economy, McCain's attempts at distracting with Ayers and other nonsense, nothing to do with the fact that Obama was 3 for 3 in the debates, nothing to do with the fact that Obama's campaign has had a focused steady campaign since the primaries. Ok.
That just about exactly sums up my feelings.
I disagree about Biden. He gives something Obama something he lacked which is foreign policy experience. Palin brings no particular asset to the ticket except the ability to divide and appeal to the repub base. I disagree with Obama being weak on the economy as well...he's surrounded himself with some excellent advisors and his message has been consistent throughout.I'm voting for Obama but lets be real.I think Biden is just as bad a choice as Palin, agree on lack of focus,Obama is just as weak as McCain on the economy,Ayers isn't nonsense but I do agree McCain did nothing in the debates
it's called the "one-drop rule." Don't hate the player...hate the game.
Keep kidding yourself that the GOP is extremist. The majority of people agree with their view of morality and want it legislated. Rove allowed the GOP to kid itself that they could frame themselves as the party of jesus and flag pins and just win this in a walk again. People are crossing the line in the sand set out by Rove to hopefully change the way the GOP frames races and picks candidates in the future.
That's fine that you want to paste the whole thing Tim. But please go back to using the "quote" function, and please, please, please, only bold something for emphasis, instead of the entire article.
I think Obama it's going to be difficult to peg just where Obama is governing from. If you look at McCain's actual policy issues (the few times he talks about them), he sounds like a populist on the left. Cap and trade on Carbon emissions to deal with global warming? Buy up failed mortgages? Make massive new investments in alternative energy? I think the electorate has swung to the left after 8 years of Bush. So Obama can push through a lot of legislation that the conservatives on this board will be howling about, calling him an extremist, and yet the majority of Americans are going to be just fine with it.
All right. I will accept your advice from now on. But what did you think of the article?
First, McCain's policy issues are irrelevant. He's not going to win, but even if he did win, he would be faced with a Congress that wouldn't allow his ideas. Obama is going to be the President, and one with real power, so there's no point anymore with contrasting him with McCain, (if there ever was one.)Second, I've personally resigned myself to Obama's tax plan. I don't like it, I don't think it will be good for our economy, but it is not draconic and it is certainly not socialism. I hope he changes his mind about increasing the estate tax, or at least that he raises the minimum, because it bothers me that heirs who are really inheriting cash flow might be forced to sell businesses, or real property, the family farm, etc., in order to pay this tax. I don't think this sort of liquidation is what he had in mind, but if he raises the minimum to something like 20 million, I'll be satisfied with that. (Though I still disapprove.)But for me, by FAR the biggest economic issue is free trade vs. protectionism, and this is where we will see which Obama emerges. He has said the right things on this issue (for me, anyhow) but the Democratic Party has also been beholden to the unions, which are pushing for draconic measures way beyond the relatively minor (but wrongheaded, IMO) idea of removing tax incentives for companies shipping jobs overseas. If Congress under Pelosi produces a protectionist bill that really threatens free trade, will Obama sign it? Will he be willing to stand in the face of his own party? That is the big question.
My point was to show that to win an election, McCain has swung to the left when talking about policy details. He may be using rhetoric to attack Obama as a leftist, but when he's trying to tell people what they want to hear he sounds like a liberal. Therefore, that's evidence that the electorate as a whole has swung left.
HE'S NOT RAISING THE ESTATE TAX!!! His proposed estate tax is lower than it is right now! The only way you can say Obama wants to raise the estate tax is to compare his plan to the temporary figures the estate tax is proposed to be in 2010 (and NO ONE thought that the '10 rates would ever happen). And if you do that, then you have to say that McCain ALSO wants to raise the estate tax. The fact is that Obama's proposed exception to the estate tax is $3.5M. That's 3.5 times the amount it was under Clinton. You can lament Obama raising income taxes on the top 5% all you want and you'd be right. But saying Obama is going to raise the estate tax is purely fallacious.
Removing the tax loopholes will go through pretty quickly.I have heard no rhetoric from Dems about increasing tarriffs or anything like that. Especially with the word "depression" being bandied about, no one is going to be accused of trying another Smoot-Hawley.
No offense, but in this context, it doesn't matter what you two think of Palin and Biden. It matters what the voters, as a whole, think. And the polling data is remarkably clear that Palin has hurt McCain considerably, while Biden is pretty much a wash.And for all the "secondary" benefits you can point to for Palin (e.g. energizing the base, increased fundraising), there's a secondary cost to balance it out (Republican leaders like Powell and conservative pundits cite Palin as one of the primary reasons for endorsing Obama).I disagree about Biden. He gives something Obama something he lacked which is foreign policy experience. Palin brings no particular asset to the ticket except the ability to divide and appeal to the repub base. I disagree with Obama being weak on the economy as well...he's surrounded himself with some excellent advisors and his message has been consistent throughout.I'm voting for Obama but lets be real.I think Biden is just as bad a choice as Palin, agree on lack of focus,Obama is just as weak as McCain on the economy,Ayers isn't nonsense but I do agree McCain did nothing in the debatesIt has nothing to do with McCains VP choice, McCain's erracticness and lack of focus of their campaign, McCain's weakness on the economy, McCain's attempts at distracting with Ayers and other nonsense, nothing to do with the fact that Obama was 3 for 3 in the debates, nothing to do with the fact that Obama's campaign has had a focused steady campaign since the primaries. Ok.
This is killing me. Can i just be put into a drug induced stupor until Tuesday? This is like listening to the PowerBall drawing, hitting the first 6 numbers, then having to wait 4 days to hear the PowerBall #. or something like that
Couldn't agree more.
I'm going to my training on Saturday--am being assigned somewhere in Indiana. Glad to hear that it's so well organized.
It was really interesting to read the links at the bottom to Zorn's earlier articles on "08 reasons Obama will win the nomination" (January 2007) and "08 reasons Obama will run for President in 2008" (January 2005). And also fun to read the comments at the bottom telling him what an idiot and how wrong he was, when he turned out to be spot on.
I thought your article and the economist article are where a lot of us are at. Most people I know want a smaller non-intrusive government. Most also realize the enormity of this financial mess. The biggest thing Obama did when the financial stuff hit the fan was he stepped back to LISTEN. He called his advisors and Bill Clinton's advisors and got at the heart of the problem. He then framed much of what we have heard the last 3 to 4 weeks. Obama is not only very smart, he is intellectually curious. Republicans want to hate him (just as DEms wanted to hate Reagan), but he is reassuring when he talks. Something tells me that had Obama been President, he could have talked about the credit collapse in a way that didn't panic the American public (W created a huge panic saying if we don't pass this, we are all doomed, etc)I know many are worried about a super-majority radical Dem idea push. But something tells me the Dems will be smarter with their new found power. They know if they turn everything on it's head and radically change this country by implementing all of their costly social programs, they will get voted out of office. The country has moved to the left, but the majority of democrats are moderate. They want another Clintonesque 4 years. I feel comfortable that Obama will be the leader of reason here. and I stand by my assertion that he will be viewed as a moderate President if he gets elected.
Great posting here.
Uh, so you disagree and agree with me all int he span of 3 sentences? No way i'm going to argue the legislation of morality on this board...i know better than to step on that landmine. But the GOP has drifted right and it absolutely has caused them to fracture the party and push away moderates and independents. You can see that just from the number of so called true republicans who have turned away from the party this year. And if it does change the party and push them closer to the middle, then that's a good thing. I actually agree more with the fundamentals of the true GOP and would love to see them go back to their roots. FTR, this will be only the second time i have ever voted Dem in my life.
Thank you guys for keeping it clean! I can't say how much I appreciate your efforts.I'm going to my training on Saturday--am being assigned somewhere in Indiana. Glad to hear that it's so well organized.
Gr00vus said:Thank you guys for keeping it clean! I can't say how much I appreciate your efforts.krista4 said:I'm going to my training on Saturday--am being assigned somewhere in Indiana. Glad to hear that it's so well organized.Leeroy Jenkins said:
I just received my materials via e-mail. About a hundred pages to read before tomorrow morning. 
Only use the crane technique when absolutely necessary.Gr00vus said:Thank you guys for keeping it clean! I can't say how much I appreciate your efforts.krista4 said:I'm going to my training on Saturday--am being assigned somewhere in Indiana. Glad to hear that it's so well organized.Leeroy Jenkins said:
In the same conference call, the Obama campaign also announced they were putting commercials on the air for the first time in North Dakota and Georgia.I wish they'd done it sooner.
The irony that a lot of these hard core anti-Obama people don't quite get, and might not ever, assuming they aren't racist (warning comma splice). Is that with a loss in this election the party will become more Newtered which was the best run they ever had (well, in my lifetime). And in reality having that sort of element in the GOP gone is what is really hurting this country. Pushing out the jesus flag pin wearing anti-science blowhards out of the party will get the GOP back to the basics. This is what some of the people don't see, but hopefully will. The GOP is if nothing else the quicker to react to a changing electorate. I fully expect them to pick up seats in each of the next two congressional cycles and make a real end run on Obama in 2012. This time with a guy offering drastic government spending cuts and perhaps a total flat/fair tax reform though I don't have my hopes too high for that one. They really don't have any choice. With no terrorist attacks in the next 4 years the focus on foreign policy will be further from people's minds than it is now. The US is getting more atheist by the day. I've always thought that if nothing else Obama may change the GOP more than he changes the USA. And if that's all he manages to accomplish then it's fine with me.BuddyKnuckles said:culdeus said:Uh, so you disagree and agree with me all int he span of 3 sentences? No way i'm going to argue the legislation of morality on this board...i know better than to step on that landmine. But the GOP has drifted right and it absolutely has caused them to fracture the party and push away moderates and independents. You can see that just from the number of so called true republicans who have turned away from the party this year. And if it does change the party and push them closer to the middle, then that's a good thing. I actually agree more with the fundamentals of the true GOP and would love to see them go back to their roots. FTR, this will be only the second time i have ever voted Dem in my life.
FixedOnly use the crane vulcan nerve pinch technique when absolutely necessary.Gr00vus said:Thank you guys for keeping it clean! I can't say how much I appreciate your efforts.krista4 said:I'm going to my training on Saturday--am being assigned somewhere in Indiana. Glad to hear that it's so well organized.Leeroy Jenkins said:
I would gladly welcome the fiscal conservative / libertarian wing re-taking control of the Republican party. I'd feel much better about our country. But don't think the Religious Right is going to go down without a fight. I read somewhere last week (I'd post a link if I could remember) that the RR has made it a point to grab high ranking spots in the national party solely to be ready for the coming inter-party fight that will happen right after this election. I think they're going to use Sarah Palin as their martyr, and rally behind her to (at least attempt to) take full control over the Republican Party.
