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David Dodds said:
To all the people that volunteered their time and money to this campaign, I thank you. Whether or not Obama wins, we all should be proud of the effort we collectively made in this election. The youth are voting in record numbers. African-Americans are turning out and standing in long lines. As someone who voted Libertarian in 2000 and for Kerry as an Anti-Bush vote in 2004, I have never been as excited about a candidate in my lifetime. Of course I hope he wins, but even if he doesn't I know all of us did make a difference here. We collectively pushed back against a Bush Presidency that was ridiculous on many levels (torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc). We also likely forced the Republicans to take a hard look at their party and decide if they really stand for small government or if that's all lip service. Karl Rove got his guy elected twice with rousing hate speech and by courting the Evangelical vote. 8 years of a failed experiment later, the country is pushing back against these tactics this year. The Terrorist, Muslim, fake birth certificate, Communist, Anti-Christ claims have mostly fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.
I'm going to risk a timeout here and just say it.For all the pain and misery we are about to endure during a 4 year Obama stretch, I now blame you specifically Dave.Thanks.
 
DPRugby said:
tommyGunZ said:
Just saw a Rev Wright ad here in SoCal. Apparently McCain's last minute gutter tactics aren't limited to swing states. :goodposting: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
Just saw it also and I said to my wife, "why is the RNC wasting money in California"? Every penny spent here is thrown away, and it just goes to show how poorly run the "Cans" effort was. If the state was in play sure, spend the cash but come on, Obama's gonna win California by 20 points or more. They could have spent that 20K somewhere else. Thing is... I'm voting Obama so I was :lmao:
Saw the ad this morning in Texas. It was on CNN, though. Possible it was a national buy?
 
McCain is currently trading at 10.1 on Intrade. For those that really think that he has a chance to win, this is your bet of a lifetime.

 
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David Dodds said:
To all the people that volunteered their time and money to this campaign, I thank you. Whether or not Obama wins, we all should be proud of the effort we collectively made in this election. The youth are voting in record numbers. African-Americans are turning out and standing in long lines. As someone who voted Libertarian in 2000 and for Kerry as an Anti-Bush vote in 2004, I have never been as excited about a candidate in my lifetime. Of course I hope he wins, but even if he doesn't I know all of us did make a difference here. We collectively pushed back against a Bush Presidency that was ridiculous on many levels (torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc). We also likely forced the Republicans to take a hard look at their party and decide if they really stand for small government or if that's all lip service. Karl Rove got his guy elected twice with rousing hate speech and by courting the Evangelical vote. 8 years of a failed experiment later, the country is pushing back against these tactics this year. The Terrorist, Muslim, fake birth certificate, Communist, Anti-Christ claims have mostly fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.
:)I think Obama was the right choice this election, and I've done my best in person and even on this forum to promote him. If he wins, that in no way guarantees he'll be a great president. He's on his own then. But with the information we had, Obama is the best person to put into office at this time, in my opinion of course.So, the next 4 years, if Obama wins, I'll not give him a free pass on things. Just because I voted for him doesn't mean that I'll be fine with whatever he does. I think that winning the election is only the beginning...I think we should all, if he wins, hold him to the high standards he has set for himself, and expect him to deliver, not necessarily on everything he's promised as far as policies go, but certainly on the ideals he's set forward.
 
David Dodds said:
To all the people that volunteered their time and money to this campaign, I thank you. Whether or not Obama wins, we all should be proud of the effort we collectively made in this election. The youth are voting in record numbers. African-Americans are turning out and standing in long lines. As someone who voted Libertarian in 2000 and for Kerry as an Anti-Bush vote in 2004, I have never been as excited about a candidate in my lifetime. Of course I hope he wins, but even if he doesn't I know all of us did make a difference here. We collectively pushed back against a Bush Presidency that was ridiculous on many levels (torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc). We also likely forced the Republicans to take a hard look at their party and decide if they really stand for small government or if that's all lip service. Karl Rove got his guy elected twice with rousing hate speech and by courting the Evangelical vote. 8 years of a failed experiment later, the country is pushing back against these tactics this year. The Terrorist, Muslim, fake birth certificate, Communist, Anti-Christ claims have mostly fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.
:popcorn:
 
538 comparing pollsters which include cellphones with those who don't. Basically the cellphone only polls put Obama at +5.1%, and the ones with cellphones put Obama at +10%.

Here's the data segregated by cellphones included:

CBS/NYT 13

ABC/Post 11

Gallup (both models) 11

NBC/WSJ 9

Pew 6

Landline only:

CNN 7

Research 2000 7

Marist 7

Zogby 5.7

Rassmussen 5

Diageo/Hotline 5

Battleground 4

Fox 3

IBD/TIPP 2.1

That swing, 4.9%, is a huge systematic difference. We'll find out pretty early on Tuesday which group is more accurate.

 
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David Dodds said:
To all the people that volunteered their time and money to this campaign, I thank you. Whether or not Obama wins, we all should be proud of the effort we collectively made in this election. The youth are voting in record numbers. African-Americans are turning out and standing in long lines. As someone who voted Libertarian in 2000 and for Kerry as an Anti-Bush vote in 2004, I have never been as excited about a candidate in my lifetime. Of course I hope he wins, but even if he doesn't I know all of us did make a difference here. We collectively pushed back against a Bush Presidency that was ridiculous on many levels (torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc). We also likely forced the Republicans to take a hard look at their party and decide if they really stand for small government or if that's all lip service. Karl Rove got his guy elected twice with rousing hate speech and by courting the Evangelical vote. 8 years of a failed experiment later, the country is pushing back against these tactics this year. The Terrorist, Muslim, fake birth certificate, Communist, Anti-Christ claims have mostly fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.
Your statement is contradictory. You list all the reasons that people are support to "push back" against the current President(torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc).

then you make the following comment at the end:

Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.

Yet, all you are doing in this election, per your own words, is "not voting for the other guy." You did not list one reason to vote for Barack Obama here. Instead you effectively stated that this election represents a rejection of George Bush (there is no mention of McCain here, either.) Some of the things you claim as the worst aspects of the Bush administration (torture, illegal wiretaps, bypassing the Constitution, outing CIA agents) are as murky as several of the more seedy attacks against Obama. I don't want to engage in an argument about that here, I just wanted to point out that you're falling into the same trap that you're criticizing others for: you've been scared not to vote for the other guy.

 
538 insight into the ground campaigns this late into the election.
Great stuff in this article:
The busiest McCain office we saw was in Arlington, at the national HQ, but tight security prevented us from getting any pictures. Ironically, that was our first full office, in our 11th battleground state.

Offices in Troy, Ohio were closed on Saturday October 11. With perfect coincidental timing, two elderly women dropped by to volunteer but found the office shut. At Republican state headquarters in Columbus later the same day, one lonely dialer sat in a sea of unoccupied chairs. In Des Moines on September 25, another empty office. In Santa Fe on September 17, one dialer made calls while six chatted amongst themselves about how they didn't like Obama. In Raleigh this past Saturday, ten days before the election with early voting already open, two women dialed and a male staffer watched the Georgia-LSU game. In Durango, Colorado on September 20, the Republican office was locked and closed. Indiana didn't have McCain Victory offices when we were there in early October.

When the offices are open, they have reduced hours. We can confidently plan to get evening good-light photographs of a town after we visit the local McCain office, because we know it will be closing by 5 pm, as the office in Wilmington, North Carolina was this past Sunday. The plan is, get to inevitably closed/closing McCain office, get an hour of photos near sunset, then visit the bustling local Obama office.

In Cortez, CO, we had Republican volunteers pose for action-shot photos. The same in Española, New Mexico. Posed. For some time at the outset, we were willing to give Republicans the benefit of the doubt. They convinced us they were really working, and that we had just had unfortunate timing. It wasn't until the pattern of "just missed it" started to sound like a drumbeat in our ears that we began to grow skeptical. We never "just missed" any of the Obama volunteer work, because it goes on nonstop, every day, in every office, in every corner of America.

We found scattered nuggets of activity. Colorado Springs, Colorado held eight dialers and two front office volunteers. Albemarle County, Virginia had a busy office of 15 volunteers, and we reported that. Last night in Tampa, nine phonebankers were busy dialing at the Republican Party of Florida Hillsborough County HQ when we arrived at 8:00 pm. Seven dialers sat in McCain's Hickory, North Carolina office this past Saturday afternoon.

Those offices seemed busy to us, naturally, because they were explosively full relative to other offices we've stopped in on. But even the Colorado Springs office was dwarfed by the Obama Colorado Springs operation.

These ground campaigns do not bear any relationship to one another. One side has something in the neighborhood of five million volunteers all assigned to very clear and specific pieces of the operation, and the other seems to have something like a thousand volunteers scattered throughout the country.

Obama will have more volunteers working for him then any campaign in our history
 
David Dodds said:
To all the people that volunteered their time and money to this campaign, I thank you. Whether or not Obama wins, we all should be proud of the effort we collectively made in this election. The youth are voting in record numbers. African-Americans are turning out and standing in long lines. As someone who voted Libertarian in 2000 and for Kerry as an Anti-Bush vote in 2004, I have never been as excited about a candidate in my lifetime. Of course I hope he wins, but even if he doesn't I know all of us did make a difference here. We collectively pushed back against a Bush Presidency that was ridiculous on many levels (torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc). We also likely forced the Republicans to take a hard look at their party and decide if they really stand for small government or if that's all lip service. Karl Rove got his guy elected twice with rousing hate speech and by courting the Evangelical vote. 8 years of a failed experiment later, the country is pushing back against these tactics this year. The Terrorist, Muslim, fake birth certificate, Communist, Anti-Christ claims have mostly fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.
Your statement is contradictory. You list all the reasons that people are support to "push back" against the current President(torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc).

then you make the following comment at the end:

Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.

Yet, all you are doing in this election, per your own words, is "not voting for the other guy." You did not list one reason to vote for Barack Obama here. Instead you effectively stated that this election represents a rejection of George Bush (there is no mention of McCain here, either.) Some of the things you claim as the worst aspects of the Bush administration (torture, illegal wiretaps, bypassing the Constitution, outing CIA agents) are as murky as several of the more seedy attacks against Obama. I don't want to engage in an argument about that here, I just wanted to point out that you're falling into the same trap that you're criticizing others for: you've been scared not to vote for the other guy.
Your statement is contradictory. You say that Dodds focused "the other guy" but then admit that he didn't even mention McCain. :yes: Actually, Dodds' statement isn't contradictory at all. For the most part, Obama did focus his campaign on telling us what he will do instead of trying to scare us about McCain. The point is that Obama did not use Karl Rove tactics -- and that is a good thing.

The winner of the last two elections did use Karl Rove tactics, and what we ended up with was torture, illegal wiretaps, etc.

(Also, I don't think "torture, illegal wiretaps, bypassing the Constitution, or outing CIA agents" are really in dispute. Which one do you think is murky?)

 
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Does someone have a go-to link on the birth certificate thing from a major news website (no blogspot tia). Need to send it to co-worker.

 
150,000 views and 13,800 posts for this thread...just now. Nice milestone on the eve of the election.

Anyone read back through all the pages of this thread? It's really interesting to get a story of how this whole campaign has progressed.

 
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David Dodds said:
To all the people that volunteered their time and money to this campaign, I thank you. Whether or not Obama wins, we all should be proud of the effort we collectively made in this election. The youth are voting in record numbers. African-Americans are turning out and standing in long lines. As someone who voted Libertarian in 2000 and for Kerry as an Anti-Bush vote in 2004, I have never been as excited about a candidate in my lifetime. Of course I hope he wins, but even if he doesn't I know all of us did make a difference here. We collectively pushed back against a Bush Presidency that was ridiculous on many levels (torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc). We also likely forced the Republicans to take a hard look at their party and decide if they really stand for small government or if that's all lip service. Karl Rove got his guy elected twice with rousing hate speech and by courting the Evangelical vote. 8 years of a failed experiment later, the country is pushing back against these tactics this year. The Terrorist, Muslim, fake birth certificate, Communist, Anti-Christ claims have mostly fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.
Your statement is contradictory. You list all the reasons that people are support to "push back" against the current President(torture, Iraq, deficit spending, illegal wiretaps, bypasing the Constitution, outing CIA agents, etc).

then you make the following comment at the end:

Hopefully going forward, candidates see the need to actually tell us what they will do instead of trying to scare us into not voting for the other guy.

Yet, all you are doing in this election, per your own words, is "not voting for the other guy." You did not list one reason to vote for Barack Obama here. Instead you effectively stated that this election represents a rejection of George Bush (there is no mention of McCain here, either.) Some of the things you claim as the worst aspects of the Bush administration (torture, illegal wiretaps, bypassing the Constitution, outing CIA agents) are as murky as several of the more seedy attacks against Obama. I don't want to engage in an argument about that here, I just wanted to point out that you're falling into the same trap that you're criticizing others for: you've been scared not to vote for the other guy.
Your statement is contradictory. You say that Dodds focused "the other guy" but then admit that he didn't even mention McCain. :goodposting: Actually, Dodds' statement isn't contradictory at all. For the most part, Obama did focus his campaign on telling us what he will do instead of trying to scare us about McCain. The point is that Obama did not use Karl Rove tactics -- and that is a good thing.

The winner of the last two elections did use Karl Rove tactics, and what we ended up with was torture, illegal wiretaps, etc.

(Also, I don't think "torture, illegal wiretaps, bypassing the Constitution, or outing CIA agents" are really in dispute. Which one do you think is murky?)
In Dodd's case, the "other guy" is Bush.Obama spent plenty of time attacking Bush in this campaign, just as much or more time than he spent discussing what he would do. But my point wasn't about Obama, it was David Dodd's explaining what he was voting against, not far, and then complaining that other people were voting against rather than for. That's why I wrote it was contradictory.

As far as the murky stuff, my only point is that all of the issues listed are disputed by reputable people who support Bush. I don't want to get into the arguments here, because I probably agree with your POV on these. But it IS a POV and not some objective fact, at least at this point.

 
DPRugby said:
tommyGunZ said:
Just saw a Rev Wright ad here in SoCal. Apparently McCain's last minute gutter tactics aren't limited to swing states. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
Just saw it also and I said to my wife, "why is the RNC wasting money in California"? Every penny spent here is thrown away, and it just goes to show how poorly run the "Cans" effort was. If the state was in play sure, spend the cash but come on, Obama's gonna win California by 20 points or more. They could have spent that 20K somewhere else. Thing is... I'm voting Obama so I was :lmao:
Saw the ad this morning in Texas. It was on CNN, though. Possible it was a national buy?
Yes, clearly national--we had it in Illinois, too.
 
Big win for you guys. Congrats.
Thanks, but maybe we see it as a big win for America.A candidate who won without taking money from lobbyists, who runs a clean campaign, who attempts to unite america without compromising values, won the Democratic Iowa caucus. Like Obama said, it's really a victory for all americans against politics as usual, against cyncicism, against division.

He beat Edwards and Clinton, entrenched politicians, and did it in style. He didn't pull punches, he came from relative obscurity to do it. He did it with the help of hundreds of thousands of americans and without a huge political machine. He really does represent the people, and our hope that we can rise above the way politics has been for the past few decades, and inspire us to a new direction, a new vision, and possibly a newer, better america.

Let's just hope this is the start of his march to the white house, where he'll represent america well in the world, reach out to all americans and unite us as a country once again.

First win.
 
DPRugby said:
tommyGunZ said:
Just saw a Rev Wright ad here in SoCal. Apparently McCain's last minute gutter tactics aren't limited to swing states. :( :lmao: :thumbdown:
Just saw it also and I said to my wife, "why is the RNC wasting money in California"? Every penny spent here is thrown away, and it just goes to show how poorly run the "Cans" effort was. If the state was in play sure, spend the cash but come on, Obama's gonna win California by 20 points or more. They could have spent that 20K somewhere else. Thing is... I'm voting Obama so I was :lmao:
Saw the ad this morning in Texas. It was on CNN, though. Possible it was a national buy?
Yes, clearly national--we had it in Illinois, too.
We had it during Amazing Race in Seattle. Seems like multiple national spot is a waste, especially at this point and with that commercial. The hatchet approach htat McCain loves so much isnt going to work with those commericals either.
 
RCP Average Obama +7.5

Marist Obama +9

FOX News Obama +7

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Obama +8

Rasmussen Reports Obama +6

Gallup Obama +11

Diageo/Hotline Obama +5

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +7

CNN/Opinion Research Obama +7

CBS News Obama +13

GWU/Battleground Obama +6

Pew Research Obama +6

IBD/TIPP Obama +2

ABC News/Wash Post Obama +11
Only one tracking poll is worse than Obama +5 nationally.
 
So what happens to this thread after tomorrow? I think it should be renamed Barack Obama's FBG Administration Headquarters so we can keep this going. I never post here any more, but it's cool to have a 277+ page thread going.

 
If he wins, the new thread title might be "Barack Obama's '08-'12 Presidential Headquarters"...not really sure what all we'd talk about, but I'm sure people will post here from time to time.

 
If he wins, the new thread title might be "Barack Obama's '08-'12 Presidential Headquarters"...not really sure what all we'd talk about, but I'm sure people will post here from time to time.
Start a new thread. No reason to bloat this one after the fact.
 
I have a gut feeling that Obama may lose.Hope I'm wrong.
Same here.
Here's the stat from fivethirtyeight that has me nervous:Obama loses OH/FL/PA, wins election - 7.94%
Yikes.I don't see Obama winning Florida, OH is very close, and PA is closer than many polls say, according to insiders. Throw in the new revalations on the coal industry, and this seems to be a very real possibility.
 
I have a gut feeling that Obama may lose.Hope I'm wrong.
Same here.
Here's the stat from fivethirtyeight that has me nervous:Obama loses OH/FL/PA, wins election - 7.94%
The scenario where Obama loses OH/FL/PA is 189 out of 10,000 simlulations. To put that in perspective, McCain loses OH/FL/PA 6183 out of 10,000 simulations.
Well then that makes me question the entire 538 projection model.No way the chances of McCain winning all three of those states is less than 2%. That is crazy.
 
I have a gut feeling that Obama may lose.Hope I'm wrong.
Same here.
Here's the stat from fivethirtyeight that has me nervous:Obama loses OH/FL/PA, wins election - 7.94%
The scenario where Obama loses OH/FL/PA is 189 out of 10,000 simlulations. To put that in perspective, McCain loses OH/FL/PA 6183 out of 10,000 simulations.
Well then that makes me question the entire 538 projection model.No way the chances of McCain winning all three of those states is less than 2%. That is crazy.
THat's not just the chances of McCain winning all three states. It's the odds of him winning all three states and still losing to Obama...or Obama losing all three states and still winning the general election.
 
Some of these undecided voters really bug me:

Still undecided

From cnn.com

Less than 24 hours before the presidential election, Kevin Sheen has yet to decide who will get his vote. "I'm actually still wrestling with moral issues," says the 29-year-old registered Democrat, who voted for President Bush in 2004. Sheen is one of the 5 percent of voters who are either undecided or could change their minds before voting.
So you voted for Bush in 2004 and you aren't sure who you want to vote for tomorrow? Uhhhh, here in my neck of the woods, that's what we call a Republican. Oh, and let us know when you decide, your highness. Please, make sure you inform us when you make up your mind, ###hole.

 
RCP Average Obama +7.4

Marist Obama +9

FOX News Obama +7

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Obama +8

Rasmussen Reports Obama +6

Gallup Obama +11

Diageo/Hotline Obama +5

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +7

CNN/Opinion Research Obama +7

CBS News Obama +9

GWU/Battleground Obama +6

Pew Research Obama +6

IBD/TIPP Obama +5

ABC News/Wash Post Obama +11
Only one tracking poll is worse than Obama +5 nationally.
Cbs went from +13 to +9. IBD/TIPP went from +2 to +5. Now, no tracking poll has the race closer than Obama +5 nationally.
 
Some of these undecided voters really bug me:

Still undecided

From cnn.com

Less than 24 hours before the presidential election, Kevin Sheen has yet to decide who will get his vote. "I'm actually still wrestling with moral issues," says the 29-year-old registered Democrat, who voted for President Bush in 2004. Sheen is one of the 5 percent of voters who are either undecided or could change their minds before voting.
So you voted for Bush in 2004 and you aren't sure who you want to vote for tomorrow? Uhhhh, here in my neck of the woods, that's what we call a Republican. Oh, and let us know when you decide, your highness. Please, make sure you inform us when you make up your mind, ###hole.
:lmao: I've mentioned before that I loathe people who are undecided this late, and it's a gigantic pet peeve of mine when networks fawn over them. Then again, it's a good civics lesson to remind everybody that in the end we all get governed by the ignorant and lazy.

Edit: I followed your link, and this guy says he's pro-life and planning to base his vote on the abortion issue, but he still hasn't made up his mind. What a moron. It's not like it's difficult to find out which candidate stands where on abortion.

 
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Some of these undecided voters really bug me:

Still undecided

From cnn.com

Less than 24 hours before the presidential election, Kevin Sheen has yet to decide who will get his vote. "I'm actually still wrestling with moral issues," says the 29-year-old registered Democrat, who voted for President Bush in 2004. Sheen is one of the 5 percent of voters who are either undecided or could change their minds before voting.
So you voted for Bush in 2004 and you aren't sure who you want to vote for tomorrow? Uhhhh, here in my neck of the woods, that's what we call a Republican. Oh, and let us know when you decide, your highness. Please, make sure you inform us when you make up your mind, ###hole.
:no: I've mentioned before that I loathe people who are undecided this late, and it's a gigantic pet peeve of mine when networks fawn over them. Then again, it's a good civics lesson to remind everybody that in the end we all get governed by the ignorant and lazy.

Edit: I followed your link, and this guy says he's pro-life and planning to base his vote on the abortion issue, but he still hasn't made up his mind. What a moron. It's not like it's difficult to find out which candidate stands where on abortion.
Yes, yes, and more yes. Hey, I understand that some people haven't been consuming hours and hours of political talk about these two candidates. Politics can tire people out quickly. But please. Who doesn't have time to learn about these candidates? What, did Dancing With the Stars take priority over your political education this year?When I was volunteering at the Obama headquarters yesterday, a lady walked by. A volunteer reminded her to vote Tuesday. This lady tells us she's a school teacher and is still undecided. Really? Man, I am just perplexed.

 
That totally sucks. RIP Obama grandmama.

And may I add, the right-wing radio mouthbreathers that were passing conspiracy theories about his trip to Hawaii last week (I'm looking at you Brian Sussman) sure are a bunch of loudmouth rectal fistulae.

 

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