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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (1 Viewer)

'biggamer3 said:
Real question here, i understand corruption was very common back in the 20's but was it really this easy to murder this many people without the feds getting involved?Gyp has a cop burnt alive and 12 deaths a day later and not a speck of anyone coming in to investigate
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The Feds didn't have nearly the clout back in the 20s that they do today.
 
Great show. Wife and decided to dress for Halloween as 20s gangster/flapper in honor of the show. I am now rocking a crazy undercut 20s haircut, not quite as cool as Dormandy's, but I might have the barber trim it tight right before the party.

 
'Sandeman said:
Man this season is spectacular. Each season better than the previous. Excellent television happening here.
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I don't think this is better than the first two, but it is good stuff. The first two seasons were just that good.
 
'Good said:
I didn't think it was so bad. You can't go 200 mph every episode. :shrug:
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I agree. Although, unlike the last 2 seasons, the story-lines aren't enough to really propel the show this season. I don't think that the show has dipped as much as some other people here say it has but it has slipped a little.
 
'Good said:
I didn't think it was so bad. You can't go 200 mph every episode. :shrug:
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I liked Nucky's trip to D.C. As a matter of fact, I like all of the political stuff. I just have no need for Maggie or the kids to be anything but peripheral characters. That easily took up 1/3 of the show. And while I love Momma Darmody's breasts, I don't really need to see her downward spiral into insanity.I did really like the side story for Harrow.
 
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seems like writers are determined to give the annoying Marge more and more screentime.

Like every other episode i loved it besides for her parts which were snoozeworthy

 
'Good said:
I didn't think it was so bad. You can't go 200 mph every episode. :shrug:
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Seems more like the chick doin 55mph in the left hand lane, especially after watching Homeland right after it, which is going 400mph. :thumbup: I'm reversing my watching, going to watch walking dead at 9 and dvr empire from now on.
 
So now there's going to be a Harrow love story? :unsure:

There were whole stretches of this episode that seemed pretty irrelevant. I think they've stretched themselves too thin with all the plotlines and are starving the best ones.

 
I gave the producers a lot of credit for the stones to off Jimmy in Season 2 and thought that the show wouldn't miss a beat without him. Boy, was I wrong. The show is struggling. Jimmy Darmody was the glue that held all the different stories together. Without him, there's a tenuous relationship at best between the story lines. Without a fictional main character the show really cannot expand beyond historical canon. The writing is on the wall for most of the characters; to the point that someone with a modicum of historical knowledge (or knowledge of various gangster movies like Mobsters, Godfather,Untouchables, Bugsy etc.)knows where everything is going. The various smaller part fictional characters either were brought in just to be an antagonist (Gyp..who really thinks he survives the season?), work better in smaller doses and without a lot of baggage (Harrow and Chalky White) or are more or less irrelevant to the main story line of the show (Van Alden).

In addition, the show also suffers from miscasting of the main character. Steve Buscemi(and to an extent the Nucky character)is a good actor, but he isn't strong enough to be the lead. He just doesn't have a screen dominating presence that chews up scenes and makes you want to return to his story when we're off in Chicago or New York. The actor playing Rothstein has it, as does the actor playing Capone. But this is not Gotham Empire or Windy City Empire, with the irony being that if it were and we were treated to a performance by Steve Buscemi in the secondary role of Nucky Thompson every 3 or 4 episodes, we would think it was a great character and role. So we're stuck with the main story about an Atlantic City run by a good character actor in a part that needs an actor with real panache, screen presence and power.

They've also saddled us with female driven story lines that just don't work in a world of gangsters and Prohibition. I appreciate the historical "Easter Eggs" and I don't mind a well written female driven story line that is tangential to the main story of gangsters, booze and Prohibition, but the Gillian, Margaret and Billie King stories aren't going anywhere. None of these characters bring any real depth to the show; particularly when compared to last seasons Esther Rudolph story line(which I thought was very good). The Gillian story line borders on ludicrous, particularly with this weeks reveal. In addition, do we really think that the Furio/Carmel ... err ..... Sleater/Margaret story is going to go anywhere or even give depth to a decent fictional secondary character(Sleater)? They've also boxed Margaret in in regards to her relationship with Nucky. She doesn't seem to care for him much so she's almost expendable as a relationship device for Nucky. Billie?....I wanted to bang her when she was doing that Tut dance; but now she's just puffy faced and annoying. Eddie Cantor summed her up perfectly when comparing her to Lucy Danzinger. For a show that has so many female characters (and in the past good ones like Angela and Esther)...they do a good job of NOT giving them meaningful things to do.

What they should do is slog through this season, give Gyp his comeuppance and move the majority of the story line to Chicago or New York; where they can utilize the good actors in the factual roles they have,the best main fictional character left (Van Alden;who I'm assuming is going to end up as an Enforcer for Ron Howards character) and introduce "Jimmy Southside", a fictional main character who can give us what has been missing since Darmody was offed. Historically, there's some great stuff coming up the timeline in Chicago and New York. No sense in filtering it through Atlantic City anymore.

 
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'Thunderlips said:
I gave the producers a lot of credit for the stones to off Jimmy in Season 2 and thought that the show wouldn't miss a beat without him. Boy, was I wrong. The show is struggling. Jimmy Darmody was the glue that held all the different stories together. Without him, there's a tenuous relationship at best between the story lines. Without a fictional main character the show really cannot expand beyond historical canon. The writing is on the wall for most of the characters; to the point that someone with a modicum of historical knowledge (or knowledge of various gangster movies like Mobsters, Godfather,Untouchables, Bugsy etc.)knows where everything is going. The various smaller part fictional characters either were brought in just to be an antagonist (Gyp..who really thinks he survives the season?), work better in smaller doses and without a lot of baggage (Harrow and Chalky White) or are more or less irrelevant to the main story line of the show (Van Alden).

In addition, the show also suffers from miscasting of the main character. Steve Buscemi(and to an extent the Nucky character)is a good actor, but he isn't strong enough to be the lead. He just doesn't have a screen dominating presence that chews up scenes and makes you want to return to his story when we're off in Chicago or New York. The actor playing Rothstein has it, as does the actor playing Capone. But this is not Gotham Empire or Windy City Empire, with the irony being that if it were and we were treated to a performance by Steve Buscemi in the secondary role of Nucky Thompson every 3 or 4 episodes, we would think it was a great character and role. So we're stuck with the main story about an Atlantic City run by a good character actor in a part that needs an actor with real panache, screen presence and power.

They've also saddled us with female driven story lines that just don't work in a world of gangsters and Prohibition. I appreciate the historical "Easter Eggs" and I don't mind a well written female driven story line that is tangential to the main story of gangsters, booze and Prohibition, but the Gillian, Margaret and Billie King stories aren't going anywhere. None of these characters bring any real depth to the show; particularly when compared to last seasons Esther Rudolph story line(which I thought was very good). The Gillian story line borders on ludicrous, particularly with this weeks reveal. In addition, do we really think that the Furio/Carmel ... err ..... Sleater/Margaret story is going to go anywhere or even give depth to a decent fictional secondary character(Sleater)? They've also boxed Margaret in in regards to her relationship with Nucky. She doesn't seem to care for him much so she's almost expendable as a relationship device for Nucky. Billie?....I wanted to bang her when she was doing that Tut dance; but now she's just puffy faced and annoying. Eddie Cantor summed her up perfectly when comparing her to Lucy Danzinger. For a show that has so many female characters (and in the past good ones like Angela and Esther)...they do a good job of NOT giving them meaningful things to do.

What they should do is slog through this season, give Gyp his comeuppance and move the majority of the story line to Chicago or New York; where they can utilize the good actors in the factual roles they have,the best main fictional character left (Van Alden;who I'm assuming is going to end up as an Enforcer for Ron Howards character) and introduce "Jimmy Southside", a fictional main character who can give us what has been missing since Darmody was offed. Historically, there's some great stuff coming up the timeline in Chicago and New York. No sense in filtering it through Atlantic City anymore.
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Spot on. I love Buscemi, but he's miscast as Nucky.
 
'The Captain said:
'Thunderlips said:
I gave the producers a lot of credit for the stones to off Jimmy in Season 2 and thought that the show wouldn't miss a beat without him. Boy, was I wrong. The show is struggling. Jimmy Darmody was the glue that held all the different stories together. Without him, there's a tenuous relationship at best between the story lines. Without a fictional main character the show really cannot expand beyond historical canon. The writing is on the wall for most of the characters; to the point that someone with a modicum of historical knowledge (or knowledge of various gangster movies like Mobsters, Godfather,Untouchables, Bugsy etc.)knows where everything is going. The various smaller part fictional characters either were brought in just to be an antagonist (Gyp..who really thinks he survives the season?), work better in smaller doses and without a lot of baggage (Harrow and Chalky White) or are more or less irrelevant to the main story line of the show (Van Alden).

In addition, the show also suffers from miscasting of the main character. Steve Buscemi(and to an extent the Nucky character)is a good actor, but he isn't strong enough to be the lead. He just doesn't have a screen dominating presence that chews up scenes and makes you want to return to his story when we're off in Chicago or New York. The actor playing Rothstein has it, as does the actor playing Capone. But this is not Gotham Empire or Windy City Empire, with the irony being that if it were and we were treated to a performance by Steve Buscemi in the secondary role of Nucky Thompson every 3 or 4 episodes, we would think it was a great character and role. So we're stuck with the main story about an Atlantic City run by a good character actor in a part that needs an actor with real panache, screen presence and power.

They've also saddled us with female driven story lines that just don't work in a world of gangsters and Prohibition. I appreciate the historical "Easter Eggs" and I don't mind a well written female driven story line that is tangential to the main story of gangsters, booze and Prohibition, but the Gillian, Margaret and Billie King stories aren't going anywhere. None of these characters bring any real depth to the show; particularly when compared to last seasons Esther Rudolph story line(which I thought was very good). The Gillian story line borders on ludicrous, particularly with this weeks reveal. In addition, do we really think that the Furio/Carmel ... err ..... Sleater/Margaret story is going to go anywhere or even give depth to a decent fictional secondary character(Sleater)? They've also boxed Margaret in in regards to her relationship with Nucky. She doesn't seem to care for him much so she's almost expendable as a relationship device for Nucky. Billie?....I wanted to bang her when she was doing that Tut dance; but now she's just puffy faced and annoying. Eddie Cantor summed her up perfectly when comparing her to Lucy Danzinger. For a show that has so many female characters (and in the past good ones like Angela and Esther)...they do a good job of NOT giving them meaningful things to do.

What they should do is slog through this season, give Gyp his comeuppance and move the majority of the story line to Chicago or New York; where they can utilize the good actors in the factual roles they have,the best main fictional character left (Van Alden;who I'm assuming is going to end up as an Enforcer for Ron Howards character) and introduce "Jimmy Southside", a fictional main character who can give us what has been missing since Darmody was offed. Historically, there's some great stuff coming up the timeline in Chicago and New York. No sense in filtering it through Atlantic City anymore.
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Spot on. I love Buscemi, but he's miscast as Nucky.
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I've enjoyed this season a lot but I have to say, there are several times each episode where I feel that Buscemi sounds like he's reading off cards. Been like that since episode 1, season 1. There's top-notch acting in this show, just not regularly from the lead.

 
'biggamer3 said:
Real question here, i understand corruption was very common back in the 20's but was it really this easy to murder this many people without the feds getting involved?Gyp has a cop burnt alive and 12 deaths a day later and not a speck of anyone coming in to investigate
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There were barely any such things as "the feds" before prohibition. The FBI didn't exist. Its precursor was pretty much limited to investigating suspected anarchists. Pretty much the only federal crimes were treason, tax evasion, and bringing a prostitute across state lines.I think it was during prohibition that "the feds" started to exist in earnest — in response to stuff like Gyp's shenanigans. But we're not there yet.
 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
'biggamer3 said:
Real question here, i understand corruption was very common back in the 20's but was it really this easy to murder this many people without the feds getting involved?Gyp has a cop burnt alive and 12 deaths a day later and not a speck of anyone coming in to investigate
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There were barely any such things as "the feds" before prohibition. The FBI didn't exist. Its precursor was pretty much limited to investigating suspected anarchists. Pretty much the only federal crimes were treason, tax evasion, and bringing a prostitute across state lines.I think it was during prohibition that "the feds" started to exist in earnest — in response to stuff like Gyp's shenanigans. But we're not there yet.
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The FBI really grew in response to the events we see in BE alongside the famous criminals of the Great Depression era (Dillinger, Bonnie/Clyde, etc). Local police really held the burden of policing their local municipalities.
 
'Good said:
I remember thinking about 45 minutes in "The FFA thread is going to hate this episode." :lmao:
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She could have her son declared dead by court order after missing etc., but instead finds a body double to bang and then murder? That whole storyline was just filler. I get needing Nucky and Eli to makeup and the need for that to be believable. Do we need Gyp at the church and with his mom and sisters? The writers are getting too cute.
 
Nah, but not one of the better ones. Scenes I liked:

Eli #####ing to Nicky and then pulling out the gun

Richard at the womans house (dont remember the name) and telling her drunk dad he would kill him

Gyp sweating and pleading for his life to Joe

Gretchen Mol naked

 
'attaché case said:
Nah, but not one of the better ones. Scenes I liked:Eli #####ing to Nicky and then pulling out the gunRichard at the womans house (dont remember the name) and telling her drunk dad he would kill himGyp sweating and pleading for his life to JoeGretchen Mol naked
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So just any nudity, the threat of violence, and, I would assume, actual violence = good. Anything else = bad.
 
'Good said:
'attaché case said:
Nah, but not one of the better ones. Scenes I liked:Eli #####ing to Nicky and then pulling out the gunRichard at the womans house (dont remember the name) and telling her drunk dad he would kill himGyp sweating and pleading for his life to JoeGretchen Mol naked
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So just any nudity, the threat of violence, and, I would assume, actual violence = good. Anything else = bad.
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No, just listing some scenes I liked. More, or any Capone, Rothstein, Luciano and Van Alden would also be good.
 
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Gangsters are known to have double lives, the wtiters for whatever reason wanted to show or remind us of that of side. Things were way to calm in this last episode and I got this feeling all Hell is about to break loose!

 
'BigTex said:
Gangsters are known to have double lives, the wtiters for whatever reason wanted to show or remind us of that of side. Things were way to calm in this last episode and I got this feeling all Hell is about to break loose!
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I like a look behind the curtain and what drives the characters, but it was a little much IMO. The whole episode didn't have to be easter sunday and the entire Jillian plot that began last week was not necessary to show she is nuts or to get the house in her or Tommy's name instead of James.
 
Seems like they could have covered all the stuff they covered in this episode in about half the time - maybe less.

Too late....too late....

 
'Thunderlips said:
I gave the producers a lot of credit for the stones to off Jimmy in Season 2 and thought that the show wouldn't miss a beat without him. Boy, was I wrong. The show is struggling. Jimmy Darmody was the glue that held all the different stories together. Without him, there's a tenuous relationship at best between the story lines. Without a fictional main character the show really cannot expand beyond historical canon. The writing is on the wall for most of the characters; to the point that someone with a modicum of historical knowledge (or knowledge of various gangster movies like Mobsters, Godfather,Untouchables, Bugsy etc.)knows where everything is going. The various smaller part fictional characters either were brought in just to be an antagonist (Gyp..who really thinks he survives the season?), work better in smaller doses and without a lot of baggage (Harrow and Chalky White) or are more or less irrelevant to the main story line of the show (Van Alden).

In addition, the show also suffers from miscasting of the main character. Steve Buscemi(and to an extent the Nucky character)is a good actor, but he isn't strong enough to be the lead. He just doesn't have a screen dominating presence that chews up scenes and makes you want to return to his story when we're off in Chicago or New York. The actor playing Rothstein has it, as does the actor playing Capone. But this is not Gotham Empire or Windy City Empire, with the irony being that if it were and we were treated to a performance by Steve Buscemi in the secondary role of Nucky Thompson every 3 or 4 episodes, we would think it was a great character and role. So we're stuck with the main story about an Atlantic City run by a good character actor in a part that needs an actor with real panache, screen presence and power.

They've also saddled us with female driven story lines that just don't work in a world of gangsters and Prohibition. I appreciate the historical "Easter Eggs" and I don't mind a well written female driven story line that is tangential to the main story of gangsters, booze and Prohibition, but the Gillian, Margaret and Billie King stories aren't going anywhere. None of these characters bring any real depth to the show; particularly when compared to last seasons Esther Rudolph story line(which I thought was very good). The Gillian story line borders on ludicrous, particularly with this weeks reveal. In addition, do we really think that the Furio/Carmel ... err ..... Sleater/Margaret story is going to go anywhere or even give depth to a decent fictional secondary character(Sleater)? They've also boxed Margaret in in regards to her relationship with Nucky. She doesn't seem to care for him much so she's almost expendable as a relationship device for Nucky. Billie?....I wanted to bang her when she was doing that Tut dance; but now she's just puffy faced and annoying. Eddie Cantor summed her up perfectly when comparing her to Lucy Danzinger. For a show that has so many female characters (and in the past good ones like Angela and Esther)...they do a good job of NOT giving them meaningful things to do.

What they should do is slog through this season, give Gyp his comeuppance and move the majority of the story line to Chicago or New York; where they can utilize the good actors in the factual roles they have,the best main fictional character left (Van Alden;who I'm assuming is going to end up as an Enforcer for Ron Howards character) and introduce "Jimmy Southside", a fictional main character who can give us what has been missing since Darmody was offed. Historically, there's some great stuff coming up the timeline in Chicago and New York. No sense in filtering it through Atlantic City anymore.
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This is really a fantastic post. I'm real worried about where this show is headed.

 
"What are we? Cats in an alley?"

Thought the scene at Gyp's Mom's house was the best of the episode. Loved him slapping away the hand so he could eat the lamb eyeballs.

 
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