***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (1 Viewer)

[MarshallPlan]

 

[Apple Jack]

I thought for sure that those hobos were going to rob Richard.

I feel like Nucky is going to take his brother back in. They needed that fight. Nucky is going to see that the US Attorney can't come through for him, so he gets the names of the witnesses and drops them in the ocean.

Yea...when you said that last week, you hit the lightbulb with me...great call.

Agreed.

Or he gets the judge to declare a mistrial.

 

[The Ref]

OK- someone help me out here. The quote that Pitt says to Nucky before the event.... where was that said before?

 

[TLEF316]

Plenty of stuff I didn't understand tonight....

1) Who was the guy that Slater killed in the bathroom

2) What did Jimmy say to Nucky before they took the shot at him

3) What did Lucy leave in the record player? I assume that it was a dirty diaper, but what was the point of that?

 

[Wildcat]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

 

[boubucarow]

Plenty of stuff I didn't understand tonight....1) Who was the guy that Slater killed in the bathroom2) What did Jimmy say to Nucky before they took the shot at him3) What did Lucy leave in the record player? I assume that it was a dirty diaper, but what was the point of that?

1) An Irishman who was a traitor to the Irish cause. Slater was tracking him for months (not known to us).2) Something along the lines of "It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, you just have to make the decision".3) It's your mess now. Although that was a bit surprising after what she said to Nucky, I suppose that was just a con to get money.

 

[The Ref]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

 

[Raider Nation]

Detractors of "Boardwalk Empire" often suggest that the show is just an impressive Tinker Toy set, beautifully to look at but ultimately empty. I disagree, obviously - I feel very connected to many of these characters - but I can also see where that criticism comes from. Even in a strong episode like "Peg of Old," I couldn't help pausing during Margaret's arrival in her family's Brooklyn neighborhood to think of what a great job production did on that setting (and also on how much it evoked some of the Little Italy flashback scenes from "The Godfather Part II") rather than focusing on what Margaret was going through in that moment.

But what "Peg of Old" showed through its two central characters - one of them among the series' most consistently interesting and empathetic, one arguably its most problematic - is that it can do the human stuff just as well as the spectacle, maybe even better.

Let's start with the episode's best moment, and one wrapped around the guy I complained about so much last week: Nelson Van Alden. For much of his tenure on the show, Van Alden's been almost a caricature of a religious zealot, so weird and creepy that his utter hypocrisy seems not the least bit surprising. But the Van Alden of "Peg of Old" is a broken man. His attempt to keep Lucy's pregnancy a secret from his wife has failed, Lucy has figured out that he's been playing her all along with his promised $3,000 payoff, and his sad little office has become even sadder with the arrival of federal prosecutor Esther Randolph, who takes over his desk and makes it clear she has little use for the office's former top man. Lucy unsurprisingly goes to Nucky for cash and tells him who the father is, and Nucky not only blackmails Van Alden to keep it a secret, but reveals that he's given Lucy some money, further fueling Van Alden's jealousy of him.

In that moment, I thought for sure that Nucky had once again solved his legal problem and would soon be on the offensive against Jimmy's cabal. Instead, Van Alden goes home, finds out that Lucy has run off (and made her opinion of him clear by leaving a dirty diaper and the cover of the "Dangerous Maid" script on top of the Victorla he bought her) and winds up having to hold his still-unnamed baby daughter for a spell. And the look on Michael Shannon's face after the baby coos in response to the name Abigail is extraordinary, and yet very familiar. Most parents, whether they were eager to have children or not, have a moment where they realize their life is no longer entirely their own: that there's another human being they are responsible for protecting and shaping, and they need to start making choices with that in mind. In that moment, Van Alden seems incredibly human and vulnerable, and his decision to risk his own professional standing to fight back against Nucky flows naturally, even admirably, out of that. He doesn't want this baby to have a crooked cop for a father, and while I imagine many of his more irritating qualities will return in time - he's still the man who drowned Agent Sebso, who practiced self-flagellation, who kept Lucy as a virtual prisoner as part of a half-baked scheme to give his wife the baby she wanted without getting in trouble - I couldn't help smiling when he dropped that huge folder on Miss Randolph's desk. As I said last week, Van Alden either needed to be put back on Nucky's trail or taken off the show, and I'm perfectly fine with the former route if the execution can be this good.

When he sits in that chair with his daughter, Van Alden realizes she's going to know him as few people ever will, and he wants her to know him as a (relatively) good, law-abiding person. And that theme of who truly knows us runs throughout the rest of this strong episode.

Jimmy finally gets pressured by the rest of his gang to call a hit on Nucky - I loved Eli's "Jesus Christ, just kill him" cutting through all the talk about coups and the culture of Atlantic City - and we begin to realize that he hasn't avoided that choice until now because he thinks it would be bad politically, but because he doesn't hate Nucky that much. He and Nucky had a lot of good times together, and Nucky was more of a father to him than the Commodore ever was - and arguably a better (or at least less narcissistic) parent to him than Gillian. Jimmy knows Nucky, and Nucky knows Jimmy, and whatever problems the two have with each other aren't enough for Jimmy to want the guy to cease to exist on this world. But he's pushed into it by his partners, and convinced by Gillian that he'd look weak for calling it off - even as he finally starts to realize just how inappropriate Gillian is with him(*) - and the best he can do is say a cryptic farewell to Nucky before the hitman steps forward. (And, in the process, perhaps he gives Nucky enough cause to flinch when the Chicago hitter approaches so that he's wounded rather than killed, followed by Esther Randolph's investigator stepping in to take out the assassin.)

(*) Letting him keep his eyes open while she's in her underwear and then closing them for the dress? Oy. Oy, a thousand times oy. It was at least reassuring to see Jimmy flinch after she whispered seductively in his ear about how proud she is of him. I wonder if he'll recognize that she probably views Lucky as a surrogate for him.

Margaret, of course, spends much of the episode trying to reconnect with the people she thinks knows her best, but only one of her sisters really remembers her, and her brother Eamoinn is still cold and judgmental about the trouble she got into that led to her arrival in America. Margaret is strong enough to turn the judgment right back on him, but you can tell how much she needs to make this connection even before she says she wants to be "among those who know me." Instead, Eamoinn turns her away, Margaret goes home and finds Owen Sleater there, with the maids, the kids and Nucky all conveniently away (Nucky possibly bleeding to death, not that they have any clue in this primitive telecom age), with Owen's blood hot from the deadly fight he just had, and with Margaret desperate to be with someone who knows something of Ireland, if not exactly who and what she was before she got pregnant. So she gives in to her simmering attraction to Owen, Owen enjoys her company(**), and the look on Kelly Macdonald's face as they have sex is unlike anything we've seen Margaret feel with Nucky.

(**) And drops one of my favorite lines of the series to date, when he tells her, "I thought you wanted me after Mr. Thompson." Just a fantastically clever double entendre, given the idiom of the time and their current circumstance.

Nucky's been a good man to her - if not always faithful (and note that he was eyeing an attractive brunette before Jimmy popped into his line of sight) - taking care of her material needs, allowing her a degree of independence and partnership in his enterprises practically unheard of in this day and cultural sphere, and he's opened up to her as much as he has to anyone. Margaret may be desperate for someone who knows her, but at least Nucky has her to know him. And now he's been shot, and she's been with the man who should have been protecting him, and I imagine things are about to get just as complicated for Nucky on the domestic front as they are in terms of his battles with both Jimmy and the government.

Terrific episode. One of my favorites of the season, which would have surprised me going in given how prominent Van Alden is.

Some other thoughts:

• That was a terrific fight scene between Owen and the man he was there to kill, and his farewell line made clear that he's still very much a part of the cause, and has only been hanging around Nucky while looking for this guy. I wonder what that bodes for his future employment, especially since he just happened to be absent when his boss got shot.

• We looked at Nucky's dinner on the eve of Prohibition in the pilot episode as the birthplace of modern American organized crime, but given what we know about Meyer, Lucky and Capone, maybe the real birthplace is that meeting at the Commodore's house, where the young turks talk about overthrowing their aging masters.

• That's Julianne Nicholson (from "Law & Order: Criminal Intent," among many other things) as Esther Randolph, who's modeled on Mabel Walker Willebrandt, the Assistant Attorney General for most of the 20s and a crusader against violators of the Volstead Act.

• For an episode in which he's almost assassinated, Nucky's not in this one very much, but he gets the episode's two funniest moments: first when he sees Lucy with a baby and immediately recites the exact date they last had sex to try to foil any attempted paternity rap, then when he offers Van Alden a drink and wryly says, "If there was ever a time..."

 

[Gr00vus]

Great episode. The gloves are coming off all around. Van Alden takes the high road, Margaret goes the other way (sorry Joggydog).

 

[jdoggydogg]

Great episode. The gloves are coming off all around. Van Alden takes the high road, Margaret goes the other way (sorry Joggydog).

Why sorry?

 

[Wildcat]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

 

[Raider Nation]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

 

[Gr00vus]

Great episode. The gloves are coming off all around. Van Alden takes the high road, Margaret goes the other way (sorry Joggydog).

Why sorry?

I thought you didn't like the road Margaret has been going down, you preferred her good/innocent?

 

[jdoggydogg]

Great episode. The gloves are coming off all around. Van Alden takes the high road, Margaret goes the other way (sorry Joggydog).

Why sorry?

I thought you didn't like the road Margaret has been going down, you preferred her good/innocent?

Oh I get it

 

[The Noid]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ... Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Probably the same way you get Jack/John, Edward/Ted, Elizabeth/Betty, Henry/Hank, Richard/****, James/Jimmy?

 

[Gr00vus]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ... Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Probably the same way you get Jack/John, Edward/Ted, Elizabeth/Betty, Henry/Hank, Richard/****, James/Jimmy?

The Irish were huge Steely Dan fans back then.

 

[Billy Bats]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ... Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Really, you've never met a Peggy? Or did you think Peggy was their given birth name?

 

[Raider Nation]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Really, you've never met a Peggy? Or did you think Peggy was their given birth name?

Where did you get that from?

 

[belljr]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Probably the same way you get Jack/John, Edward/Ted, Elizabeth/Betty, Henry/Hank, Richard/****, James/Jimmy?

Really? I thought Ted was short for Theodore?

 

[gump]

Can't see Eli helping Nucky with the witness names at this point. He went all in.

I'm sure AR and Torrio are not going to have a hard time figuring out who went after Nucky....should be interesting.

Van Alden scene with the baby was fantastic.

 

[The Ref]

Can't see Eli helping Nucky with the witness names at this point. He went all in.I'm sure AR and Torrio are not going to have a hard time figuring out who went after Nucky....should be interesting.Van Alden scene with the baby was fantastic.

Based on next weeks preview it seems like the old guard gets together and figures out what happened fairly quickly.

 

[The Noid]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Probably the same way you get Jack/John, Edward/Ted, Elizabeth/Betty, Henry/Hank, Richard/****, James/Jimmy?

Really? I thought Ted was short for Theodore?

Senator Ted Kennedy's true first name was Edward. And, obviously, JFK was an example of Jack.

 

[Billy Bats]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Really, you've never met a Peggy? Or did you think Peggy was their given birth name?

Where did you get that from?

Guess I just assumed so since you were surprised that Peg was short for Margaret.

 

[belljr]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Probably the same way you get Jack/John, Edward/Ted, Elizabeth/Betty, Henry/Hank, Richard/****, James/Jimmy?

Really? I thought Ted was short for Theodore?

Senator Ted Kennedy's true first name was Edward. And, obviously, JFK was an example of Jack.

Weird. I kow this is a hi-jack. I get all the Jack/John thing but I don't know any Edwards that use Ted and all the Ted's I know were Theodores. I don't know why weird things like this I find interesting.

 

[The Ref]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

To each his own. Personaly I cant wait for Rich Harrow to blow someones head off.

 

[Major]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

 

[boubucarow]

BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...

Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.

Really, you've never met a Peggy? Or did you think Peggy was their given birth name?

Where did you get that from?

Guess I just assumed so since you were surprised that Peg was short for Margaret.

Yeah it is surprising if you never met a Margaret. However, Peggy has always been a nickname for Margarets.

 

[Gr00vus]

Margaret's brother seems like a jerk. Consider her dead to you because she got knocked up and then ran off to America because she didn't want to go to a convent (or whatever the institution was they were trying to force her into)? Lighten up skippy.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Margaret's brother seems like a jerk. Consider her dead to you because she got knocked up and then ran off to America because she didn't want to go to a convent (or whatever the institution was they were trying to force her into)? Lighten up skippy.

For more on the Catholic prison that Margaret was in, see the powerful movie The Magdalene Sisters. Shocking.

 

[Raider Nation]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

 

[Major]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

 

[Wildcat]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

 

[Raider Nation]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

 

[Wildcat]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

Nope, I'm a dude.

 

[Raider Nation]

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

Nope, I'm a dude.

Oh. Well have fun watching Glee.

 

[Apple Juice]

Definitely some brutal kills this season. The choke job through the fingers was pretty creative. I was waiting for the tips to pop off and finally gave up right before they tumbled into the urinal. I hope somebody eventually gets squished.

 

[The Ref]

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

Nope, I'm a dude.

Oh. Well have fun watching Glee.

 

[Raider Nation]

Definitely some brutal kills this season. The choke job through the fingers was pretty creative. I was waiting for the tips to pop off and finally gave up right before they tumbled into the urinal. I hope somebody eventually gets squished.

HBO covered that one already with Phil Leotardo.

 

[Apple Juice]

True, Phil's head was squished. I was thinking a full-body squishing like a crate of booze being released and flattening someone. Between the Sopranos, Game of Thrones, the opening deaths of Six Feet Under and Boardwalk I'm struggling to think of fresh methods of death. Even a cue-stick up the ### has been covered.

 

[Michael Brown]

The show is just too over-the-top on the graphic violence. The last two episodes features a wrench to the skull killing, a scalping and a slitting of the neck. After the slitting of the throat, I literally stopped the show on my DVR, deleted it, and removed all future occurences from recording. I'm done with the show. I've been watching the show since it started. Maybe this is the sign that I'm getting old?

Not your thing?

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

Nope, I'm a dude.

It's graphic, but it's tough to avoid violence on a show dedicated to the origins of American organized crime

 

[Wingnut]

True, Phil's head was squished. I was thinking a full-body squishing like a crate of booze being released and flattening someone. Between the Sopranos, Game of Thrones, the opening deaths of Six Feet Under and Boardwalk I'm struggling to think of fresh methods of death. Even a cue-stick up the ### has been covered.

Link?

 

[Apple Juice]

True, Phil's head was squished. I was thinking a full-body squishing like a crate of booze being released and flattening someone. Between the Sopranos, Game of Thrones, the opening deaths of Six Feet Under and Boardwalk I'm struggling to think of fresh methods of death. Even a cue-stick up the ### has been covered.

Link?

Well, to be fair it wasn't shown for audiences to enjoy, only spoken of. But it was involved in the killing of Vito in the Sopranos.

 

[Sconch]

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

Nope, I'm a dude.

Oh. Well have fun watching Glee.

at this whole thing.Wasn't WyldFox or whatever an alleged female?

 

[Raider Nation]

I guess I don't need to see a skull being hammered over and over with a wrench. They could have had the same scene without showing that and it wouldn't have affected the show.

Stop being such a girlie man. Having fun watching Glee.

Wildcat is a woman.

Nah, just gettin' old I guess. Enjoy the rest of the series. I'm going to cue up Glee or some old Matlock re-runs.

Wait, I didn't mean that as an insult. Aren't you female? I must be confusing you with another poster with "Wild" or "cat" or something-or-other in the name.

Nope, I'm a dude.

Oh. Well have fun watching Glee.

at this whole thing.Wasn't WyldFox or whatever an alleged female?

Yeah, that's the one!

 

[Blind Tiger]

So when Margaret turns up pregnant will Nucky appreciate the irony in that he thought SpeakEasy Lucy wouldn't know who the father was when she did, and the "pure" woman he is supporting and left Lucy for will not know if she is carrying his baby or Owen's.

 

[Sconch]

So when Margaret turns up pregnant will Nucky appreciate the irony in that he thought SpeakEasy Lucy wouldn't know who the father was when she did, and the "pure" woman he is supporting and left Lucy for will not know if she is carrying his baby or Owen's.

That is a very interesting sentence.

 

[Blind Tiger]

I know. I was going to edit, but decided to hell with it.

 

[Sconch]

I know. I was going to edit, but decided to hell with it.

I knew what you were saying but I had to tilt my head a couple of times.

 

[belljr]

Bit lost, who was the dude that got strangled

 

[Apple Juice]

Bit lost, who was the dude that got strangled

I have no clue. There are actually several scenes this season where I have no clue what is going on. For some reason it doesn't bother me. It's easy to roll with it for this show. I usually figure it out eventually.