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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (2 Viewers)

Great ep. A lot of table setting, and I'm loving the options.

I can't decide if Pitt is just a great actor playing a kid not ready to be the Boss, or if he just plays a much better brooding, #2 guy. Either way, you could definitely feel the awkwardness as he celebrated the throne.

 
'gump said:
Great ep. A lot of table setting, and I'm loving the options.I can't decide if Pitt is just a great actor playing a kid not ready to be the Boss, or if he just plays a much better brooding, #2 guy. Either way, you could definitely feel the awkwardness as he celebrated the throne.
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Yeah he didn't pull off his speech at all. Couldn't decide if it was awkward because it was supposed to be awkward (he was already hammered and he's not used to giving speeches), or if it was the first time his acting fell flat. Agree with the poster who praised the stable scene and Jimmy's talk with his wife. Both were exceptional. Jimmy's wife could handle being a more prevalent character.
 
'Apple Juice said:
Yeah he didn't pull off his speech at all. Couldn't decide if it was awkward because it was supposed to be awkward (he was already hammered and he's not used to giving speeches), or if it was the first time his acting fell flat.
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I think that's how it was supposed to be delivered. It seems clear he's getting in over his head here. His main motivation has just been to get people to stop considering him a "boy" but now that he's just about running the show he's floundering a bit. To paraphrase Nucky from a few episodes back, he just wanted to be in the game, but he doesn't know the rules, or maybe even what he wants now that he's sort of achieved his goal of being a front line player. He's pretty rudderless at this point - his mom isn't exactly giving great advice, his biological dad is useless, Capone hasn't really helped him out much, Ely's telling him he isn't as smart as Nucky, he just got confirmation his wife doesn't love him and he tried to kill the only real father he's ever had.
 
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'jdoggydogg said:
'Sconch said:
I'd like to see a spin-off starring Rothstein and Gretchen Mol's doorbells.
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Yeah, I wanna have Gretchen's baby.
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Did you see Rounders? Remember when she got mad at Mike for "playing cards with some judge"...?Interestingly, one of the judges at that card game was the guy we were just discussing: Tom Aldredge (Hugh DeAngelis/Nucky's father).

 
'Raider Nation said:
'jdoggydogg said:
'Sconch said:
I'd like to see a spin-off starring Rothstein and Gretchen Mol's doorbells.
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Yeah, I wanna have Gretchen's baby.
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Did you see Rounders? Remember when she got mad at Mike for "playing cards with some judge"...?Interestingly, one of the judges at that card game was the guy we were just discussing: Tom Aldredge (Hugh DeAngelis/Nucky's father).

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And Matt Damon had a cameo in Finding Forrester that also featured Michael Pitt. OMG
 
'Sconch said:
'Raider Nation said:
'jdoggydogg said:
I'd like to see a spin-off starring Rothstein and Gretchen Mol's doorbells.
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Yeah, I wanna have Gretchen's baby.
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Did you see Rounders? Remember when she got mad at Mike for "playing cards with some judge"...?Interestingly, one of the judges at that card game was the guy we were just discussing: Tom Aldredge (Hugh DeAngelis/Nucky's father).

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IT NEVER ENDS!!!
 
'Raider Nation said:
'jdoggydogg said:
'Sconch said:
I'd like to see a spin-off starring Rothstein and Gretchen Mol's doorbells.
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Yeah, I wanna have Gretchen's baby.
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Did you see Rounders? Remember when she got mad at Mike for "playing cards with some judge"...?Interestingly, one of the judges at that card game was the guy we were just discussing: Tom Aldredge (Hugh DeAngelis/Nucky's father).

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I forgot her in Rounders. Did you see The Notorious Bettie Page? You should. Really. Like go now. Have you gone yet?

 
'jdoggydogg said:
'Raider Nation said:
'jdoggydogg said:
I'd like to see a spin-off starring Rothstein and Gretchen Mol's doorbells.
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Yeah, I wanna have Gretchen's baby.
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Did you see Rounders? Remember when she got mad at Mike for "playing cards with some judge"...?Interestingly, one of the judges at that card game was the guy we were just discussing: Tom Aldredge (Hugh DeAngelis/Nucky's father).

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Saw it. Used it.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Apple Juice said:
Yeah he didn't pull off his speech at all. Couldn't decide if it was awkward because it was supposed to be awkward (he was already hammered and he's not used to giving speeches), or if it was the first time his acting fell flat.
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I think that's how it was supposed to be delivered. It seems clear he's getting in over his head here. His main motivation has just been to get people to stop considering him a "boy" but now that he's just about running the show he's floundering a bit. To paraphrase Nucky from a few episodes back, he just wanted to be in the game, but he doesn't know the rules, or maybe even what he wants now that he's sort of achieved his goal of being a front line player. He's pretty rudderless at this point - his mom isn't exactly giving great advice, his biological dad is useless, Capone hasn't really helped him out much, Ely's telling him he isn't as smart as Nucky, he just got confirmation his wife doesn't love him and he tried to kill the only real father he's ever had.
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The "celebration" definitely had the feel of him desperately trying to feel like he'd achieved something despite knowing full-well he hadn't. His quick conversation with Richard showed it too. Trying to convince him that they'd made it and they could have anything they wanted, when Jimmy was obviously trying to convince himself more than Richard.During the first episode this season, Richard asked him what it felt like to have everything. At this point he doesn't really have anything, and it looks like it's going to get worse.
 
'Gr00vus said:
Seems like Van Alden is on the take after all (kudos to those who puzzled out his fake return to the fold I guess)?
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I'm not sure about this. could still be helping himself to the confiscated money.This episode turned me from neutral in the Nucky vs Jimmy battle to pro Nucky.the writer who met Angela on the beach,... anyone of historical signifigance?
 
'Barry said:
'Gr00vus said:
Seems like Van Alden is on the take after all (kudos to those who puzzled out his fake return to the fold I guess)?
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I'm not sure about this. could still be helping himself to the confiscated money.This episode turned me from neutral in the Nucky vs Jimmy battle to pro Nucky.

the writer who met Angela on the beach,... anyone of historical signifigance?
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I think it's one of those creative things unless they are loosely basing things.I think she is supposed to be this woman - Louise but the character she gives is not from her novel

Milo Talon by Louis L'Amour :shrug:

 
'Barry said:
'Gr00vus said:
Seems like Van Alden is on the take after all (kudos to those who puzzled out his fake return to the fold I guess)?
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I'm not sure about this. could still be helping himself to the confiscated money.This episode turned me from neutral in the Nucky vs Jimmy battle to pro Nucky.the writer who met Angela on the beach,... anyone of historical signifigance?
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Could be, I watched it again and again I will say I like how he hides $$$ behind frame and has the "out of sight, out of mind." moment that his sins are also behind the frame. It also reaffirms my personal views on religion that it breeds hypocrisy. His move to show the chick his file was clearly a move to get closer to her, and he absolutely despises her.
 
'Apple Juice said:
'Gr00vus said:
'Apple Juice said:
Yeah he didn't pull off his speech at all. Couldn't decide if it was awkward because it was supposed to be awkward (he was already hammered and he's not used to giving speeches), or if it was the first time his acting fell flat.
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I think that's how it was supposed to be delivered. It seems clear he's getting in over his head here. His main motivation has just been to get people to stop considering him a "boy" but now that he's just about running the show he's floundering a bit. To paraphrase Nucky from a few episodes back, he just wanted to be in the game, but he doesn't know the rules, or maybe even what he wants now that he's sort of achieved his goal of being a front line player. He's pretty rudderless at this point - his mom isn't exactly giving great advice, his biological dad is useless, Capone hasn't really helped him out much, Ely's telling him he isn't as smart as Nucky, he just got confirmation his wife doesn't love him and he tried to kill the only real father he's ever had.
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The "celebration" definitely had the feel of him desperately trying to feel like he'd achieved something despite knowing full-well he hadn't. His quick conversation with Richard showed it too. Trying to convince him that they'd made it and they could have anything they wanted, when Jimmy was obviously trying to convince himself more than Richard.During the first episode this season, Richard asked him what it felt like to have everything. At this point he doesn't really have anything, and it looks like it's going to get worse.
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:goodposting: Good call in first paragraph, but in second paragraph to Richard, he did have everything. A good looking wife and healthy young son, good looks.... All the disfigured man would want in life but doesn't have access to necessarily. Yeah, I like when Jimmy was talking to Richard, he was trying to convince himself of stuff, telling Richard he can have anything, get a new mask... like a new mask is going to change a whole lot for him.
 
I am not sure I am fully getting Nucky's play here.

Is it to leave and let everything fall to crap to the point that everyone begs him to come back? Hence the talk with Chalky to strike? Is there a way this helps with the charges in some way? How can he leave the US if under indictment?

 
'Billy Bats said:
Is Jimmy really that naive to think that Nucky is bowing out gracefully, especially with no retribution on his attempted life?
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Yep, Nuky's last phone is proof that something really big is coming down the pipe line. Man, I really like Rothstein. He has to be the coolest character I've seen on ANY show.
 
'Chadstroma said:
I am not sure I am fully getting Nucky's play here.

Is it to leave and let everything fall to crap to the point that everyone begs him to come back? Hence the talk with Chalky to strike? Is there a way this helps with the charges in some way? How can he leave the US if under indictment?
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That and he'll let the uneasy alliances Jimmy's created fall apart and probably turn on each other. Now that the heat's off him and he seems to be out of the way they'll carve each other up.
 
'TeamDingo said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
What kind of assistance can the irish provide? Booze? Muscle? Torio is going to force Capone to Nucky's side eventually.
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Exchange the tommy guns for $ and booze
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Bingo. There was a decent amount of bootlegging coming out of Ireland in those days and the Irish would love to get their hands on those Tommy's to whack a few Tommy's.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'TeamDingo said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
What kind of assistance can the irish provide? Booze? Muscle? Torio is going to force Capone to Nucky's side eventually.
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Exchange the tommy guns for $ and booze
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I think booze and muscle for guns and additional supporters in the U.S. Remember, the IRA guy was touring the U.S. looking for more supporters and $$.
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No doubt he's coming back with a boatload of crazy micks. Gotta be heading towards the Atlantic City Conference of '29...where supposedly the Jewish and Italian mobsters decided to take over the NE and eliminate the Irish mob leadership, and start the Organized Crime Syndicate.
I can't help but wonder about AR's future also, considering his actual history. Although I'm not exactly sure what year we're in during the 20's....he's killed in '28.
 
'TeamDingo said:
'gump said:
'TeamDingo said:
Currently summer 1921
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Oh wow....thought we'd advanced a few years....we have a while then.
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Dempsey fought Carpentier on July 2 1921 in Jersey City.The players are being introduced but we are along way from 1929
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Jimmy's had an eventful year.That makes sense though...I'd guess those later events will be towards the end of the show anyway. I'll be surprised if Jimmy makes it that far.
 
'gump said:
'Gr00vus said:
'TeamDingo said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
What kind of assistance can the irish provide? Booze? Muscle? Torio is going to force Capone to Nucky's side eventually.
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Exchange the tommy guns for $ and booze
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I think booze and muscle for guns and additional supporters in the U.S. Remember, the IRA guy was touring the U.S. looking for more supporters and $$.
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No doubt he's coming back with a boatload of crazy micks. Gotta be heading towards the Atlantic City Conference of '29...where supposedly the Jewish and Italian mobsters decided to take over the NE and eliminate the Irish mob leadership, and start the Organized Crime Syndicate.
I can't help but wonder about AR's future also, considering his actual history. Although I'm not exactly sure what year we're in during the 20's....he's killed in '28.
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It will be interesting to see how that plays out. It might be a new main storyline as this Jimmy stuff cant go on forever.
 
'Billy Bats said:
Is there anything to Dempsey being a recurring character? Like AR fixing a fight or something, any history there?
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Only thing I can find is that Dempsey supposedly turned down Capone on an offer to 'help' him win in the biggest fight in history at that time....a few years later in Chicago. That was the 2nd Gene Tunney fight in the late 20's....called 'The Long Count'....so much later also.
 
This war between Nucky and Jimmy is fundamentally pointless. It's based in part on a series of bad decisions made by both men in the first season, in part on a bit of business from before Jimmy was born where the Commodore was arguably more at fault than Nucky. These are two proud, stubborn men, and they're going to keep fighting, it seems, until they burn Atlantic City down around them.And in case Nucky can't understand the situation he's in, he takes a trip to Belfast to meet with his contacts in Sinn Fein to trade those surplus Tommy guns for whiskey and discovers that the war with the hated English may be on the verge of ending, which would ruin his deal. John McGarrigle, the esteemed but irritating man in charge - in the same way Nucky ruled Atlantic City for so long even as people griped behind his back - is the one pushing for peace, possibly as the result of his son being recently killed in action. But just when Nucky thinks he's going home empty-handed, the men who work for McGarrigle assassinate him so they can keep the blood flowing. On the one hand, this is tremendously helpful for Nucky, as they're once again in need of those guns. On the other, having just barely survived a recent assassination attempt himself, and with so many of his former underlings having turned on him, it's a real "There but for the grace of God" moment for Nucky, who strongly voices his displeasure at being kept in the dark to Owen.McGarrigle didn't comprehend the displeasure his men felt at his actions, just as Nucky for so long underestimated how bitter Eli and Jimmy and the rest were feeling towards him. Throughout the series, Nucky has waffled on how much of a gangster he's willing to be. Will witnessing (and profiting from) McGarrigle's death lead Nucky to reconsider his latest course of action, or push him even further into the criminal mindset? He could, after all, decide that McGarrigle's fatal flaw was a lack of commitment - that once you go to war, you have to stay at war until you've either won or died.Jimmy, meanwhile, is very much committed to his new identity as king of Atlantic City - maybe too committed. Now that he's the man in charge, he's enjoying the spoils, but also acting like something of a spoiled brat. As Meyer points out, all Jimmy has to do to make the Manny problem go away is to pay the man - and if Jimmy's somehow still low on cash at this point in his reign, Mickey Doyle makes the not unreasonable suggestion to cut Manny in as a partner on some scale. But Jimmy just plain doesn't like Manny, and would rather kill him than pay him what he's owed. And because Manny's tougher than Waxey's enforcer (and because the guy had evidence of a recent Atlantic City trip on his person), Jimmy has another problem that he doesn't especially need.Nucky's Irish trip, and Jimmy's ascension, played out in contrast to a very tough, personal story for Margaret, who faces the parental nightmare of being helpless to ease their child's suffering. The spinal tap scene was brutal, and the sense of dread about polio at the time (decades before the Salk vaccine) was palpable throughout the episode. And it played well in conjunction with Nucky's story, not only because Nucky has already lost a child - and then his wife, who couldn't live with her grief - but because of the lies he told Jimmy and the others about his reasons for retirement. We know that he cares about Margaret and the kids, and maybe on some level he would be happy to just step away from all this madness and be a family man. But he's too used to power - to the acquisition, maintenance and expansion of it - to let go so easily.This war isn't likely to end with Nucky dead, but there are going to be more unnecessary casualties, be they other men killed, or relationships damaged through absence or overconfidence.Some other thoughts:* Chalky follows up on Nucky's suggestion about pushing for a service workers strike, and does so with the most unexpected of accomplices: Dunn Purnsley. Their secret partnership was a reminder of both Chalky's brains and sway. He could have just had his people roughly escort Dunn outside the city limits once his jail stint ended, but instead he recognized that the man's gift for agitation could have value to him, set him up with the kitchen job and set him to stirring up trouble when the time was right. The strike's also going to play into Nucky's plans somehow - possibly with him offering to end it in exchange for getting most of his political empire back - and I look forward to seeing Nucky and Chalky working in concert again.* We get more insight into Esther Randolph, who's sleeping with her investigator - and still has to remind him that she's his boss (it's 1921, after all) - and who cleverly teams up with him to run a good mindgame on poor, dim-witted Deputy Halloran. I do hope there's a long-term plan for the character, because it feels like she arrived pretty late in the season to be stirring up so much additional trouble for Nucky.* I thought I saw an odd look on Richard's face when Jimmy promised him a home and a wife last week, and here we get the follow-up: Richard thought his only friend was making fun of him. But as he did in Chicago, Jimmy winds up being a good wingman for Richard, as his new kingly aura brings over attractive, eager women for both of them to make out with during the Dempsey fight.
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When Owen started to read to Nucky the message from Margaret, he says "Come home ... [pause] ..."

I thought he stopped in mid-sentence because it said "Come home, Owen." :unsure:

 
'The Ref said:
I got a three and a half year old daughter. Got a little dusty in my living room tonight. :sadbanana:
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2 year old son here. Of all the crazy, gory stuff they've thrown out there, these scenes with the polio are absolutely the hardest for me to watch of anything they've done.
 
'Raider Nation said:
Third-person Remus is giving Mickey a run for his money to be the most annoying person on earth.
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Bats wants to see Remus get his, and soon, or else Bats will not be happy.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
I really do not get why Jimmy is messing up his connection with the Butcher.
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I think it's simply because he's breaking his balls about the money he owes him. And Jimmy, not knowing how to handle it accordingly, is trying to show his power with the wrong guy. As mentioned above, Meyer suggested to just pay him and he'll go away, and Mickey suggested to include him but Jimmy's stubbornness and inexperience will cost him.
 
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