***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (1 Viewer)

[Sconch]

Why wasn't Richard Harrow around when Manny came?

Is he supposed to be her bodyguard too?

 

[jdoggydogg]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

 

[gump]

Great scene when Chalky looks back at his Consigliere for his thoughts on the offer....counters....then Jimmy looks over at Richard.

Sums up his current support system pretty well.

 

[Tiger Fan]

finally got caught up. Great season so far.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Holy ####. It's all falling apart REAL fast for Jimmy.

They should nickname Jimmy's father "Flynn."

 

[kupcho1]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

I'd say the only true moral characters in the show now is Van Alden's sitter and she's probably out sniffing glue on her one day off a month.

Even young Master Teddy is pulling dickmoves "I can't fell my legs, Ma!.....SUCKA MC!"

Had to like the priest hiding his glass of hooch behind the plant before Margaret walked in to buy off god. It's a town full of broken people.

You're "broken" if you drink a glass of wine?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

I'd say the only true moral characters in the show now is Van Alden's sitter and she's probably out sniffing glue on her one day off a month.

Even young Master Teddy is pulling dickmoves "I can't fell my legs, Ma!.....SUCKA MC!"

Had to like the priest hiding his glass of hooch behind the plant before Margaret walked in to buy off god. It's a town full of broken people.

You're "broken" if you drink a glass of wine?

Well that and prayers cost cash.

 

[belljr]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

I'd say the only true moral characters in the show now is Van Alden's sitter and she's probably out sniffing glue on her one day off a month.

Even young Master Teddy is pulling dickmoves "I can't fell my legs, Ma!.....SUCKA MC!"

Had to like the priest hiding his glass of hooch behind the plant before Margaret walked in to buy off god. It's a town full of broken people.

You're "broken" if you drink a glass of wine?

Well it is illegal.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

where TF was Richard? he wasn't in the car with Jimmy on the way to Princeton. he must not have been in the house at the time...does he have his own place now?

 

[Sconch]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

 

[jdoggydogg]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Major]

where TF was Richard? he wasn't in the car with Jimmy on the way to Princeton. he must not have been in the house at the time...does he have his own place now?

Yeah...it's called the forest

 

[Ned]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

I'd say the only true moral character in the show now is Van Alden's sitter and she's probably out sniffing glue on her one day off a month.

Even young Master Teddy is pulling dickmoves "I can't fell my legs, Ma!.....SUCKA MC!"

Mom: WHACK!! Teddy: Nucky: You were just praying?!

 

[UniAlias]

where TF was Richard? he wasn't in the car with Jimmy on the way to Princeton. he must not have been in the house at the time...does he have his own place now?

I assumed he always had his own place. Wasn't that where he was when making his little scrap book, or am I mistaken? I don't think he was ever a live in body guard or anything.

 

[Sconch]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is she's not all that moral.

 

[Sconch]

where TF was Richard? he wasn't in the car with Jimmy on the way to Princeton. he must not have been in the house at the time...does he have his own place now?

I assumed he always had his own place. Wasn't that where he was when making his little scrap book, or am I mistaken? I don't think he was ever a live in body guard or anything.

Yeah, he wasn't living with Jimmy and his family.

 

[jdoggydogg]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is she's not all that moral.

So I take it you're a moral absolutist as opposed to a moral relativist? I'm sure you'd agree that most humans are innately flawed. And in an innately flawed species, Jimmy's wife is one of the good ones.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is she's not all that moral.

So I take it you're a moral absolutist as opposed to a moral relativist? I'm sure you'd agree that most humans are innately flawed. And in an innately flawed species, Jimmy's wife is one of the good ones.

She was gangbanging a couple and going to run away with them. I forget, was she taking the child with her, or leaving him? When Jimmy was in Chicago, they weren't married. They get married and she starts hooking up with the first broad that looks at her funny.

 

[jdoggydogg]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is she's not all that moral.

So I take it you're a moral absolutist as opposed to a moral relativist? I'm sure you'd agree that most humans are innately flawed. And in an innately flawed species, Jimmy's wife is one of the good ones.

She was gangbanging a couple and going to run away with them. I forget, was she taking the child with her, or leaving him?When Jimmy was in Chicago, they weren't married. They get married and she starts hooking up with the first broad that looks at her funny.

I guess I need to re-write my assertion:That's a real loss. She was one of the only characters in the show who wasn't a murderous sociopath.

There. Is that better, Mr. Smarty Pants?

 

[Sconch]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is she's not all that moral.

So I take it you're a moral absolutist as opposed to a moral relativist? I'm sure you'd agree that most humans are innately flawed. And in an innately flawed species, Jimmy's wife is one of the good ones.

She was gangbanging a couple and going to run away with them. I forget, was she taking the child with her, or leaving him?When Jimmy was in Chicago, they weren't married. They get married and she starts hooking up with the first broad that looks at her funny.

I guess I need to re-write my assertion:That's a real loss. She was one of the only characters in the show who wasn't a murderous sociopath.

There. Is that better, Mr. Smarty Pants?

Well because of her actions (staying with Jimmy) she got her lesbian lover murdered by a guy in a suit and hat. BURRRRNNN!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That's a real loss. She was one of the only truly moral characters in the show.

Wasn't she going to ditch her husband to hook up with some swinger couple?

Was she going to ditch her violent, murderous criminal husband? Yes.

You could also look at it the other way. She never didn't leave her murderous, criminal husband. Is that moral?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is she's not all that moral.

So I take it you're a moral absolutist as opposed to a moral relativist? I'm sure you'd agree that most humans are innately flawed. And in an innately flawed species, Jimmy's wife is one of the good ones.

She was gangbanging a couple and going to run away with them. I forget, was she taking the child with her, or leaving him?When Jimmy was in Chicago, they weren't married. They get married and she starts hooking up with the first broad that looks at her funny.

I guess I need to re-write my assertion:That's a real loss. She was one of the only characters in the show who wasn't a murderous sociopath.

There. Is that better, Mr. Smarty Pants?

Well because of her actions (staying with Jimmy) she got her lesbian lover murdered by a guy in a suit and hat. BURRRRNNN!

I honestly forget whether she was taking her son with her or not when she was to leave AC.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Good job of making people look young in Jimmy's scenes.

 

[ceo3west]

Wow that was great

 

[The Ref]

I didnt think I would have to search for this thread by the time i signed on. Not sure I liked the episode a whole lot, but I can't say alot didn't just happen.

 

[TLEF316]

well, I'd say the #### has officially hit the fan.

I'm sure everyone suspected the true nature of Jimmy's relationship with his mother for a while, but its still creepy to have it confirmed.

When Jimmy was waking up at the end, I almost expected to see that the whole thing was one big dream sequence. Guess I should have known better.

Awesome episode. Van Alden runs like such a creep.

 

[Billy Bats]

HFS. Going to take some time to digest this one and sort through the carnage.

 

[The Ref]

HFS. Going to take some time to digest this one and sort through the carnage.

Feel the same way.My first impressions.The Van Alden running off was awsome.Jimmy and Mom real creepy, but that goes without saying. Guess the commodore was bouncing back. Not sure that whole turn of events sat well with me. Jump the shark type of moment.After the whole commodore event - whats changed? He should still want to kill her.Someone should just shoot margret. I'm so done with her. Maybe Katy will do it.

 

[Shrugs]

Jimmy proving Freud right.

 

[Michael Brown]

Over the top doesn't begin to describe it. I thought the last scene was going to have Jimmy stabbing his eyes out.

I think we all knew it was a matter of time before the mom stuff came out cause of all the innuendo, but the Commodore just seemed forced. Not sure what I thought of the episode overall. I'm gonna let some smarter people than me comment on a few things first.

 

[firstseason1988]

Jimmy proving Freud right.

Oedipus?If my mom looked like that, and I was drunk... but sloppies... I don't know, but a definite maybe."F.. the mother, kill the father." -- The Doors - "The End"

 

[Raider Nation]

Jimmy.... you MOTHER ####ER!

:X

 

[Raider Nation]

Nucky and Margaret spend much of "Under God's Power, She Flourishes" debating whether Emily's polio is divine retribution for their various sins, or if it's simply a terrible coincidence. But the episode itself sure suggests that "Boardwalk Empire" itself has recently come to believe in the idea of terrible justice rained down from on high - and that some sins can't be escaped, no matter how hard you try.Where Nucky has, for a long time, been able to talk, bribe or otherwise maneuver his way out of paying for his sins for a long time, now he seems trapped in quicksand. Every time it appears he's figured a way out of this legal mess, he only sinks deeper, now with Margaret - with whom he's been far, far more candid than the average gangster (of the '20s or any other era) would usually be with his special lady friend - contemplating the idea of testifying against him as a way to unburden her soul and spare Emily any more pain.Van Alden has committed various sins, big and small, over these two seasons, and though he's tried recently to live more cleanly (giving his Nucky files to Esther Randolph, signing Rose's divorce petition, even turning down Mickey's offer of a huge score from Capone and the others), the killing of Agent Sepso is too big to be ignored, and Nucky's friendship with the African-American community sends Deacon Cuffey into the post office, and Van Alden on the run as a disgraced fugitive.And in the storyline that I imagine everyone will want to talk about today, we learn that Jimmy has some serious sin of his own - that in a moment of drunk, tired weakness, he didn't resist when Gillian seduced him back in college - and he's been paying for it ever since.Jimmy and Gillian's sex by train light is the kind of thing that could have played out as cheap shock value on some other shows, but "Boardwalk Empire" has been building to this for a long time. As Eli pointed out, and as we've seen and heard over and over again, something isn't right with these two. They're too close, not only in age, but in every way they interact. Their physical manner when they came back from the Princeton mixer wasn't that of a son taking care of his drunken mother, but of a romantic couple returning from an exciting night on the town. It almost would have been more shocking if Gillian hadn't tried to make a move under the circumstances, and while it's still incredibly disturbing to see Jimmy give in to her, it fits with every previous piece of the puzzle the show has given us. We all figured Gillian was going to try to make her affections plainer at some point in the future, but it turns out she did it years ago, that Jimmy went along with it, and that so many of his actions since then - enlisting to fight in a war he didn't care about, siding with Gillian and the Commodore against Nucky - have been driven by the shame and disgust he feels over that night. If he goes to Europe, he doesn't have to be around the mess his life has suddenly become. If he goes against Nucky to defend his mother's honor - even if it means teaming up with a man who sullied her just as much as Nucky did - then he's being a good, dutiful son.But some sins can't be run from or ignored forever. Angela - whom Jimmy (like us) never really got to know - is murdered, and Jimmy gets the news just as he's returned to the location of his terrible night of passion. And when he returns home and Gillian makes plain her intentions to take over Angela's role in his life - preferably in every way, it's implied - Jimmy finally fights back against her. Instead, though, a rejuvenated Commodore attacks him - with the same spear he was showing off throughout the early parts of the season - and he has to use his trench knife to complete the Oedipus parallels. And then sick, wicked Gillian brings out Jimmy's son as both a human shield and, perhaps, a promise of how the cycle may continue with the next cute little boy in Gillian's life. (Hat tip to Alyssa Rosenberg for pointing out just how terribly one could read her "One day soon, he won't be a little boy anymore. It happens, just like that" speech.)"Boardwalk Empire" is sometimes accused of being as cool and detached as Nucky himself, but that was an insanely hot, great last 20 minutes or so last night. This is a conflict that's been building for the better part of two seasons, but even if we suspected something wasn't quite right about Gillian, I'm not sure any of us imagined the depths of her sickness, and how much she in turn had corrupted Jimmy. When you give the audience incest (accompanied by a roaring train for added symbolic/melodramatic value) followed by attempted matricide, followed by a stroke patient stabbing our man with a spear, followed by patricide, followed by Gillian making like John Huston (grandfather of Jack Huston) at the end of "Chinatown," you've got something no viewer of the show is likely to forget for a long, long time, and yet something that doesn't feel like it came out of nowhere. This has all been set up as meticulously as any of Nucky's business plans, and it was horrifying, and it was amazing.About the only negative I can say about the closing scenes with the Darmody family is that they seriously overshadowed everything else in the episode, including what appears to be a major break in Nucky and Margaret's partnership and Van Alden being found out and going on the lam.The story of Nucky and Margaret has, like a lot of season two arcs, waxed and waned, as each have been distracted at times by other things. (Though the distraction itself has been part of their story: see Owen Sleater, for example.) But we began the season with Margaret pushing Nucky to be honest and open with her about his business, which seemed fine when she was a hustler herself and enthusiastic about participating. Now that she's drowning in Catholic guilt, Nucky's earlier candor is opening up one more vulnerability for him. Van Alden can't testify against him anymore, and I imagine he can sway Eli in some way, but how exactly does Nucky intend to stop a woman as strong-willed and independent as Margaret Schroeder from sending him up the river just as he's cleared all his other problems away?I imagine Nucky will get out of it somehow in the finale - or else his court case will continue into season three - but it does seem like we're nearing the end of Nelson Van Alden's time on the show. He can't plausibly return to work, and he'd have no interest in becoming a bootlegger - and even less value to guys like Mickey if he doesn't have his badge. Given where the show took Van Alden at the end of last season, and then the weird psychodrama with Lucy for the first half of this one, he probably wasn't a character who had a lot of long-term viability. (And I imagine Michael Shannon is eager to cash in on his window as the hot movie character actor du jour before it closes on him and the next guy starts getting all the offers.)We could, frankly, see a lot of turnover before next season begins. The Commodore is dead (Rest in Peace, Great White Hunter). Angela is dead. Lucy has left town. Van Alden's a fugitive from justice. Eli's in jail, possibly heading towards a life sentence. And Nucky may need to put Margaret on a slow boat back to Ireland to escape his latest predicament. Given where Jimmy's plans have brought him, I imagine he'll try to make peace with Nucky in the finale, but what kind of empire's going to be left for these two to run given the scorched earth of the last several episodes? And how will Gillian react if her sweet little boy turns his back on her in favor of her ex-pimp?Some other thoughts:* Last week, I lamented that Angela died after two seasons of the show not knowing entirely what to do with her, and I appreciated that she was so present this week for the Jimmy Darmody origin story, which among other things helped flesh out the nature of their relationship. We know they hadn't known each other very long before he went off to war, but we didn't know how brief it was, nor how abruptly he had to split.* Van Alden also got an origin story, albeit told rather than shown. As with Gillian - who responded to being sexually abused as a girl by seducing and manipulating her son - we see that there's a cycle of abuse and madness going on in the Van Alden family. Nelson was raised by zealots, which is unsurprising, but we learn that their zeal wound up destroying the family by falling under the sway of a 19th century Harold Camping type who convinced them to give up all their possessions in anticipation of the Second Coming. Where some children might respond to this dire outcome by renouncing God altogether, Nelson found his own style of religious mania, one wrapped around principals of order and austerity.* The episode mainly focused on Jimmy's response to Angela's murder, unsurprisingly, but we also know how attached Richard had grown to her, and Jack Huston had some great moments early on as he quietly studied the blood stain on the bedroom floor and tried to make sense of it. For all that Richard says he can't emotionally connect to people anymore, he sure connected to Angela.* Glad to see that Mickey Doyle has dropped a lot of the cackling, cartoonish mannerisms he had earlier in the series. The guy remains at a disadvantage, though - and again represents one of the trickier aspects of the series - as he's currently trying to take out three real-life characters whom history has other plans for.

 

[Apple Jack]

* Last week, I lamented that Angela died after two seasons of the show not knowing entirely what to do with her

Wasn't that the idea? That she didn't know what to do with herself?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Jimmy obviously knew his swimmers were swimming, and Mom was still of childbearing age at that point.

Playing with fire.

 

[Gr00vus]

Things just got heavy.

I have to believe there will be some complaints about the mother/son content in that episode.

Not sure what the motivation for the Commodore was there trying to save Gillian's life/stabbing Jimmy in the back - seemed like Gillian wasn't exactly treating him so well. I guess it was one last feeble attempt to regain leadership of the pack seeing as how Jimmy had basically supplanted him.

I know I'm in a minority, but I hope Van Alden does stick around somehow - I like that character.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..

The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....

Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...

Van Alden with the "escape"...

Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...

Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...Van Alden with the "escape"...Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

The last two don't seem that far-fetched, given the circumstances.

 

[Major]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...Van Alden with the "escape"...Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

on all counts...episode seemed a bit forced

 

[Gr00vus]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...Van Alden with the "escape"...Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

on all counts...episode seemed a bit forced

My problem with it is the show has had a pretty languid pace up to now. Then they jam all his major #### into about 20 minutes. Seems like they could have distributed it a bit more evenly over the preceding episodes or something, particularly the flashback stuff - you could have dropped that on us at any time and had it fit. I get they were going for major impact, bringing everything to a head at this point in the show, but I think they overshot the mark.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

HFS. Going to take some time to digest this one and sort through the carnage.

Jimmy and Mom real creepy, but that goes without saying.

Those were different times back then.

 

[Apple Jack]

Horrible. Too much suck to even bother digging in and sorting it out.

 

[Raider Nation]

Horrible. Too much suck to even bother digging in and sorting it out.

Did I watch the same episode?

 

[Major]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..

The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....

Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...

Van Alden with the "escape"...

Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...

Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

on all counts...episode seemed a bit forced

My problem with it is the show has had a pretty languid pace up to now. Then they jam all his major #### into about 20 minutes. Seems like they could have distributed it a bit more evenly over the preceding episodes or something, particularly the flashback stuff - you could have dropped that on us at any time and had it fit. I get they were going for major impact, bringing everything to a head at this point in the show, but I think they overshot the mark.

Yep...reminded me of the series finale of Entourage

 

[Gr00vus]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..

The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....

Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...

Van Alden with the "escape"...

Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...

Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

on all counts...episode seemed a bit forced

My problem with it is the show has had a pretty languid pace up to now. Then they jam all his major #### into about 20 minutes. Seems like they could have distributed it a bit more evenly over the preceding episodes or something, particularly the flashback stuff - you could have dropped that on us at any time and had it fit. I get they were going for major impact, bringing everything to a head at this point in the show, but I think they overshot the mark.

Yep...reminded me of the series finale of Entourage

You could see the Nucky/Margaret thing coming and what happened last night was sort of the natural progression there. But the stuff with the Jimmy and VanAlden - they could have played it out a bit more smoothly. Too jarring the way they handled it in this episode. Also getting lost in the shuffle as a result was a (seeming) major shift in the historical gangster guys away from Jimmy - that needed a bit more attention than it got. I get that they've basically set up Jimmy + the Mask vs. the world, leaving us anticipating Jimmy trying to get back with Nucky, but it was all a bit rushed and heavy handed as rendered.

 

[Apple Jack]

Horrible. Too much suck to even bother digging in and sorting it out.

Did I watch the same episode?

I don't know, but last night's Boardwalk Empire was horribly written. Or it's more accurate to say the story arcs were horribly conceived. I expected more from Terence Winter, though maybe this underscores what a great show runner David Chase was.I didn't see the Buscemi SNL, but it just occurred to me that a skit with him as Don Draper could have been pretty funny. "You are a hideous mess of an alcoholic, Don", "i'm not sure I trust a guy who looks like that to appeal to housewives" and "ew, get your hands off me you freak" kind of stuff. Throw in a woodchipper reference. How many skits were references to his past work?

 

[Apple Jack]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..

The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....

Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...

Van Alden with the "escape"...

Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...

Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

on all counts...episode seemed a bit forced

My problem with it is the show has had a pretty languid pace up to now. Then they jam all his major #### into about 20 minutes. Seems like they could have distributed it a bit more evenly over the preceding episodes or something, particularly the flashback stuff - you could have dropped that on us at any time and had it fit. I get they were going for major impact, bringing everything to a head at this point in the show, but I think they overshot the mark.

Yep...reminded me of the series finale of Entourage

You could see the Nucky/Margaret thing coming and what happened last night was sort of the natural progression there. But the stuff with the Jimmy and VanAlden - they could have played it out a bit more smoothly. Too jarring the way they handled it in this episode. Also getting lost in the shuffle as a result was a (seeming) major shift in the historical gangster guys away from Jimmy - that needed a bit more attention than it got. I get that they've basically set up Jimmy + the Mask vs. the world, leaving us anticipating Jimmy trying to get back with Nucky, but it was all a bit rushed and heavy handed as rendered.

If there is such thing as a panicked script, that was it. Totally ham-fisted.

 

[Gr00vus]

I LOVE the show but last nights episode set me back a bit..

The obvious is the relationship with Jimmy and his mom...first she said she used to kiss on his wee-wee...then it tops it all off with this....

Jimmy killing his dad who stabs him out of nowhere...

Van Alden with the "escape"...

Schroeder basically telling Nukie that she's going to rat on him...

Just a lot of very far-fetched stuff this episode

on all counts...episode seemed a bit forced

My problem with it is the show has had a pretty languid pace up to now. Then they jam all his major #### into about 20 minutes. Seems like they could have distributed it a bit more evenly over the preceding episodes or something, particularly the flashback stuff - you could have dropped that on us at any time and had it fit. I get they were going for major impact, bringing everything to a head at this point in the show, but I think they overshot the mark.

Yep...reminded me of the series finale of Entourage

You could see the Nucky/Margaret thing coming and what happened last night was sort of the natural progression there. But the stuff with the Jimmy and VanAlden - they could have played it out a bit more smoothly. Too jarring the way they handled it in this episode. Also getting lost in the shuffle as a result was a (seeming) major shift in the historical gangster guys away from Jimmy - that needed a bit more attention than it got. I get that they've basically set up Jimmy + the Mask vs. the world, leaving us anticipating Jimmy trying to get back with Nucky, but it was all a bit rushed and heavy handed as rendered.

If there is such thing as a panicked script, that was it. Totally ham-fisted.

Yeah, the writing seemed to be suffering a bad bout of premature resoexposulation.

 

[jamny]

I thought it was a great episode.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You people are crazy. That episode was fantastic.

Why are people surprised that the Commodore stabbed Jimmy? The mother was more instrumental than Jimmy in his rise back to power. Commodore already was not liking the way Jimmy was running things. Last episode he tried to interrupt Jimmy a few times in the meeting and Jimmy's dismissiveness lead to Commodore calling him a ##### essentially by telling him to lift up his skirt and show them his ####.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You people are crazy. That episode was fantastic.Why are people surprised that the Commodore stabbed Jimmy? The mother was more instrumental than Jimmy in his rise back to power. Commodore already was not liking the way Jimmy was running things. Last episode he tried to interrupt Jimmy a few times in the meeting and Jimmy's dismissiveness lead to Commodore calling him a ##### essentially by telling him to lift up his skirt and show them his ####.

It was suprising to me because up until that point the Commodore has either been in a bed, or chair and looked pretty much dead. Then before we knew it he was behind Jimmy with a spear and giving him a pretty good run for his money.