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After watching gems like Breaking Bad and Boss, my standards have become much higher
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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (1 Viewer)
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Admittedly, I am only 1/4 of the way through season 2 of Breaking Bad, but the first two season of Boardwalk put that show to shame in my opinion, especially on what is realistic for the characters and what is not.After watching gems like Breaking Bad and Boss, my standards have become much higher
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I felt that the last few episodes have been showing Commodore regaining his strength more and more, especially in the scene I described above. He was trying to come back and be involved. He wasn't ready to be put out to pasture yet.
Major
Footballguy
Yeah, you'll soon be revising that statement once Season 3 and 4 of Breaking Bad hit. Note: I loved the first season of Boardwalk Empire but felt this season has just been above average.Admittedly, I am only 1/4 of the way through season 2 of Breaking Bad, but the first two season of Boardwalk put that show to shame in my opinion, especially on what is realistic for the characters and what is not.After watching gems like Breaking Bad and Boss, my standards have become much higher
jamny
Footballguy
Wow. It took me a while to get into the first season of Boardwalk but I think this season has been amazing from the first episode. It's unfair to try and compare it to Breaking Bad already.Yeah, you'll soon be revising that statement once Season 3 and 4 of Breaking Bad hit. Note: I loved the first season of Boardwalk Empire but felt this season has just been above average.Admittedly, I am only 1/4 of the way through season 2 of Breaking Bad, but the first two season of Boardwalk put that show to shame in my opinion, especially on what is realistic for the characters and what is not.After watching gems like Breaking Bad and Boss, my standards have become much higher
jamny
Footballguy
Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
jamny
Footballguy
I hope they don't go an obvious route and have Richard kill Jimmy at some point.Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It certainly could. Richard is pretty sensitive and Angela's death because of Jimmy could trigger something. What's amazing by the actor playing Richard is that you could read his pain on his face even though it's a mask --if that makes any sense.I hope they don't go an obvious route and have Richard kill Jimmy at some pont.Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
jamny
Footballguy
So at that point, doed Richard think Jimmy did it?It certainly could. Richard is pretty sensitive and Angela's death because of Jimmy could trigger something. What's amazing by the actor playing Richard is that you could read his pain on his face even though it's a mask --if that makes any sense.I hope they don't go an obvious route and have Richard kill Jimmy at some pont.Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
I thought it was a pretty damn good episode.
Nice way to lead up to the season finale.
Nice way to lead up to the season finale.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I doubt it, because he knew of Jimmy's whereabouts, but obviously her death is attributed to Jimmy's behavior.So at that point, doed Richard think Jimmy did it?It certainly could. Richard is pretty sensitive and Angela's death because of Jimmy could trigger something. What's amazing by the actor playing Richard is that you could read his pain on his face even though it's a mask --if that makes any sense.I hope they don't go an obvious route and have Richard kill Jimmy at some pont.Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
jamny
Footballguy
Is next one the last?IIRC, last season's finale was a letdown after the previous episode. Hope that doesn't happen again but it would be hard to top this one.
jamny
Footballguy
Yeah, I wasn't sure how to read the scene. I'm not sure if he was positive at this point but it didn't matter. He was more torn up over her death than who did it. Even Capone and Lucky thought it was Jimmy until Giggles spilled the beans. Loved his scene with Van Alden too! owned! Good acting by him showing how he thought he was the tough guy with the upper hand.I doubt it, because he knew of Jimmy's whereabouts, but obviously her death is attributed to Jimmy's behavior.So at that point, doed Richard think Jimmy did it?It certainly could. Richard is pretty sensitive and Angela's death because of Jimmy could trigger something. What's amazing by the actor playing Richard is that you could read his pain on his face even though it's a mask --if that makes any sense.I hope they don't go an obvious route and have Richard kill Jimmy at some pont.Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
Apple Juice
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I'm not surprised some have a problem with the episode but I'm among those who loved it. I love holy-####-moments. They're tricky, especially in television shows. A lot of goes into setting them up and executing them, and appreciating them is subjective. I suppose there isn't much point in debating if the shocking scenes worked.
I don't think Boardwalk gets enough credit for atmosphere and mood. The way episodes unravel and flow into their final scenes is often subtly masterful and taken for granted. The flashback scenes with Jimmy were well-done, they sort of sneakily materialized into the present. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere--but Jimmy snorted the heroin, correct? His in-and-out periods of consciousness, from the drugs and later from his wound, made the episode even more surreal. He existed in a new world; the old one was destroyed, and he couldn't find his bearing in it.
I thought the entirety of Jimmy as a human being was put on display and by the end he was completely devoid of what he had been. His gaze towards Richard as he cleaned up the mess was interesting. They're ships without a harbor now.
Buscemi has been solid lately. His scenes with Margaret were good. She's acting like a childish idiot so his exasperation that melded into "don't even think about ####ing with me" anger was warranted. Thought he pulled it off. Other than Richard I'm rooting for Nucky the most right now.
I don't think Boardwalk gets enough credit for atmosphere and mood. The way episodes unravel and flow into their final scenes is often subtly masterful and taken for granted. The flashback scenes with Jimmy were well-done, they sort of sneakily materialized into the present. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere--but Jimmy snorted the heroin, correct? His in-and-out periods of consciousness, from the drugs and later from his wound, made the episode even more surreal. He existed in a new world; the old one was destroyed, and he couldn't find his bearing in it.
I thought the entirety of Jimmy as a human being was put on display and by the end he was completely devoid of what he had been. His gaze towards Richard as he cleaned up the mess was interesting. They're ships without a harbor now.
Buscemi has been solid lately. His scenes with Margaret were good. She's acting like a childish idiot so his exasperation that melded into "don't even think about ####ing with me" anger was warranted. Thought he pulled it off. Other than Richard I'm rooting for Nucky the most right now.
Good Posting Judge
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Only aspect I'm really having trouble with lately is Margaret getting super Jesus-y.
Not sure what's hard to follow. She was always that way. She got away from it and now is guilty. I don't particularly enjoy the story line but it was built up well.
Barry
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I find the pathetic Van Alden entertaining and pretty funny. Everything that guy has done this season has made me laugh. Eventhough he's one my favorite things about the show, it would be cool if we didn't hear a peep about him, than in a couple seasons he reappers out of nowhere.'Gr00vus said:
Good Posting Judge
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"GFYM."
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Van Alden is the best character on the show. He's hilarious. I'm not sure I'd keep watching if he's ended.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I've loved the subtle touches in the show, including, as you say, the mood and atmosphere, and also the pacing. Which is why I found the episode so off-putting. They tried to get too many things through the door, imo. Almost like it was written as a hail mary in response to the threat of HBO not renewing. But whatever, I'm not going to get bothered by it. The Commodore thing was ridiculous, but they needed to kill him off. So he's gone. We move forward. I also laughed out loud at the train during the incest scene, which was cheesy. What you mention was my biggest issue with the epsidoe...the subtlety. It seemed lacking, but so be it. One other thing...I don't buy Jimmy just leaving the Manny thing in the wind for somebody else to maybe or maybe not handle. He knows as well as anybody what a blood-thirsty lunatic Manny is and that he gets off on killing anybody he perceives as slighting him. There were two plays there only. Pay him or kill him. Jimmy's a terrible leader, but he's not an idiot. That was hard to swallow, too. But I digress.And yeah, Jimmy snorted the heroin. Looked like all of it, too, which from what I understand about heroin, would make him so ill that he'd probably not want to do it again. It'll be interesting to see where they go with that.
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Raider Nation
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BigTex
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1. I think Jimmy wants a do-over, what a screwed up life.
2. I'm really starting to like Lucky, he's straight forward and really don't give a ####!!
3. I'm over Margaret, if Nucky was smart, he'd end her.
4. Van Alden got ghost but he'll be back.........LOL!
5. Not sure why but Al is starting to annoy me.
2. I'm really starting to like Lucky, he's straight forward and really don't give a ####!!
3. I'm over Margaret, if Nucky was smart, he'd end her.
4. Van Alden got ghost but he'll be back.........LOL!
5. Not sure why but Al is starting to annoy me.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
It's like Fuller was writing the script.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The pacing of the episode was bad both for the hour of the episode itself and in relation to the rest of the series. And the consummation with Jimmy and his mom was better left to the imagination. We got it, we didn't need it spelled out in cliched detail.RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.
jamny
Footballguy
were you positive he had slept with her before that scene?
RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I didn't really care. They'd already given us more than enough to know their relationship was seriously messed up and Jimmy's mom had problems upstairs. Sealing the deal didn't add anything, and IMO removes a layer of mystery that was actually enjoyable/interesting. In fact the better exposition would have been giving us more on how Jimmy's mom got so messed up to start with, but even then I think we get the gist of it.were you positive he had slept with her before that scene?
RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.
Major
Footballguy
Yep. Some things are better left unsaid. Groovus and Apple are on point with their disappointment with Sunday's episode. While this show had promise in Season 1, I'm beginning to think that it won't live up to the expectations of challenging shows like Sopranos, The Wire, SFU for best HBO series.I didn't really care. They'd already given us more than enough to know their relationship was seriously messed up and Jimmy's mom had problems upstairs. Sealing the deal didn't add anything, and IMO removes a layer of mystery that was actually enjoyable/interesting. In fact the better exposition would have been giving us more on how Jimmy's mom got so messed up to start with, but even then I think we get the gist of it.were you positive he had slept with her before that scene?
RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
As I said, I can understand the critisism regarding jamming a lot of crazy #### into one episode and maybe going over the top in doing so, but in my eyes, the actors and production are of a high enough quality to pull it off. I enjoy every show immensely and the last one was no different. One thing I like about HBO shows, right or wrong, is that they can and do show shocking material. I enjoy knowing that nothing is off limits. That can be a bad thing if taken too far, and it doesn't compensate for poor writing or acting, but in Boardwalk's case I think there is a nice balance of restraint and release. Some are put off by the Jimmy/Gillian scene, not just because it's gross but because it seemed unneccesary--I can see that point of view. Showing it or not wouldn't have made a difference to me.Yep. Some things are better left unsaid. Groovus and Apple are on point with their disappointment with Sunday's episode. While this show had promise in Season 1, I'm beginning to think that it won't live up to the expectations of challenging shows like Sopranos, The Wire, SFU for best HBO series.I didn't really care. They'd already given us more than enough to know their relationship was seriously messed up and Jimmy's mom had problems upstairs. Sealing the deal didn't add anything, and IMO removes a layer of mystery that was actually enjoyable/interesting. In fact the better exposition would have been giving us more on how Jimmy's mom got so messed up to start with, but even then I think we get the gist of it.were you positive he had slept with her before that scene?
RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.
I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
Major
Footballguy
6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Apple Juice
Footballguy
6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
That's frighteningly accurate.Season 4 was pretty rough. It definitely got stretched thin towards the end. But I thought the last three or four episodes were phenomenal, and as is repeated ad nauseum, the last episode was a force of nature. It finished on a high note. Maybe I remember it more fondly than I should, but even now when I catch one from the first couple seasons I'm reminded how weird and different and awesome it was. Some of the writing on that show actually made me emotional. And Nate remains one of my favorite characters ever.
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The Noid
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I tend to agree. Big fan of the series, but wouldn't put it up there as a top-notch show (HBO or otherwise.) I think it's an example of the last impression it made impacting its legacy. It had long, not-so-great stretches, especially in the later seasons, but the finale (and last few episodes) were so good that it's remembered as a much better series than it probably really was.6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
rail
Footballguy
I'm on the side of "too much crazy ####" in this episode.
I'm especially PO'd about the Van Alden plot. To me, he is the most tortured and interesting character in the series - arguably, one of the best characters on TV. This ridiculous plot point of him shooting a fellow fed in the leg and splitting has put him at the point of no return. There is no way he can come back now and be what he was due to the outlandish sequence of events.
Why not have Nucky's lawyer meet him alone with the info of the murder? Then have him start to back off as best he could in helping prosecute Nucky, or even covertly sabotage the case. It would be an opportunity to add another criminal and depraved layer to a man who puts on a facade of an overly moral, righteous, super fed.
This is an area where the writers could have been so much more subtle and kept a great character on the show. This was just an outrageuos, over-the-top way to have him exit. BOOOOO!
I'm especially PO'd about the Van Alden plot. To me, he is the most tortured and interesting character in the series - arguably, one of the best characters on TV. This ridiculous plot point of him shooting a fellow fed in the leg and splitting has put him at the point of no return. There is no way he can come back now and be what he was due to the outlandish sequence of events.
Why not have Nucky's lawyer meet him alone with the info of the murder? Then have him start to back off as best he could in helping prosecute Nucky, or even covertly sabotage the case. It would be an opportunity to add another criminal and depraved layer to a man who puts on a facade of an overly moral, righteous, super fed.
This is an area where the writers could have been so much more subtle and kept a great character on the show. This was just an outrageuos, over-the-top way to have him exit. BOOOOO!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Totally agree with everything you said about Van Alden! It's very frustrating that there seemns to be no real angle they could bring him back with.Also the butler was a guy who just so happened to witness the murder AND be in the same room during a meeting with Nukie and the lawyer.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, that was a reach, but I figure he's in the room enough to overhear Nucky's conversations about this at some point anyway. Not that big a deal that they dealt with it then.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
SFU is brilliant. A master class in writing. Most of it is subtle and the action is largely psychological and emotional levels. The great moments of that show were like being on drugs. It might even be better than the Wire, but it's a completely different language so there's no sense in comparing. But they set a benchmark for sustained greatness. Never a lapse in quality.6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Ummmm..... NO.6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
Apple Jack
Footballguy
AC wasn't exactly a metropolis back then. It wasn't a huge pool of people, so the overlap is not inconceivable.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
True that it was not inconceivable given the time but it just seemed convienant I guess...
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The overlap isn't the problem, "he happened to be dusting right at the same time as Nucky's lawyer was telling him about VanAlden testifying and Nucky let him stay in the room to hear it and the lawyer intuited he should ask the guy to talk after Nucky had dismissed him" is the problem.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
You wanna dust inside my eyelids?
Who cares? Truthfully, I'd rather there be some ambiguity.were you positive he had slept with her before that scene?
RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Okay, that I can agree with. But this was the episode of convenient plot advancement.And I was more troubled by the train than the showing of the mother####ing. Though it was tough to watch. The train was what offended my delicate sensibilities.
I get why they showed it. It has much more gravity that way.
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Major
Footballguy
oh ok...haven't you seen you The Sopranos thread in years so thought it was youUmmmm..... NO.6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ---->
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