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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (3 Viewers)

'simmonjm said:
So just to get this straight did Jimmy know he was going there to die? Is that why he gave his son the dog tags and told Harrow to stay back?
YesAnd from the link postedI need you to clarify something related to that, because I appear to have been profoundly wrong on this: is Chalky illiterate? Yes. Okay. So why does his wife give him the book? They're pretending to not know that he is. They go along with the fiction that he doesn't like to read, in interest in helping keep his dignity there, they're all pretending.
 
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And his post-finale interview with writer Terence Winter:http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-boardwalk-empire-creator-terence-winter-post-mortems-season-2
Good stuff here:
That's the thing: for every Luciano and Lansky, there are thousands of Jimmy Darmodys who are footnotes in history - these guys who made a run at it, didn't make it and died died trying. That's sort of the point. In our big sweeping crime story, it's why isn't Jimmy Darmody in the history books? Well, A) because he's a fictional character, but B) not everybody became Al Capone. Only one person became Al Capone, and there are hundreds or thousands of people who wanted to be and tried, these low-level alcohol/drug dealers who were never able to get their act together in the way that those guys did.
 
Anyone that watches SOA should be able to understand why Jimmy had to die. It's what makes BE a much better show than SOA. I enjoy them both, but SOA is like a better "Prison Break" type of guilty pleasure. BE is a not-quite-as good "The Sopranos" quality drama.

 
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'simmonjm said:
So just to get this straight did Jimmy know he was going there to die? Is that why he gave his son the dog tags and told Harrow to stay back?
I thought he was getting whacked when he had the talk with his kid on the beach, the dog tags sealed it.
 
'Tiger Fan said:
Not sure how I feel about it, but I definitely wasn't expecting it.
This. I think the fact that it was so shocking/maddening for many of us is what makes it pretty damn good/ballsy on the show's part.
 
My girlfriend is very upset right now. Her quote was "how can they kill off the hottest guy on the show" :lmao:
Mine was upset too but because in the end she felt bad for Jimmy. He never had a chance and was like Nucky's son. She thought Nuck should have forgiven him and understood what was truly behind Jimmy's actions. I'm on the fence. I liked Jimmy generally and could tell he was conflicted. I wanted Nucky to forgive him and take him back under his wing. But can you forgive somebody who tried to ruin you and murder you? Even if its your son? Probably not.
 
And his post-finale interview with writer Terence Winter:http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-boardwalk-empire-creator-terence-winter-post-mortems-season-2
Good stuff here:
That's the thing: for every Luciano and Lansky, there are thousands of Jimmy Darmodys who are footnotes in history - these guys who made a run at it, didn't make it and died died trying. That's sort of the point. In our big sweeping crime story, it's why isn't Jimmy Darmody in the history books? Well, A) because he's a fictional character, but B) not everybody became Al Capone. Only one person became Al Capone, and there are hundreds or thousands of people who wanted to be and tried, these low-level alcohol/drug dealers who were never able to get their act together in the way that those guys did.
I think this is why I knew, even last year, that Jimmy just wouldnt last. It's disappointing to me mainly because you know what happens to pretty much everyone else in the show if you follow this type of history. Jimmy was the variable that kept me interested.
 
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My girlfriend is very upset right now. Her quote was "how can they kill off the hottest guy on the show" :lmao:
Mine was upset too but because in the end she felt bad for Jimmy. He never had a chance and was like Nucky's son. She thought Nuck should have forgiven him and understood what was truly behind Jimmy's actions. I'm on the fence. I liked Jimmy generally and could tell he was conflicted. I wanted Nucky to forgive him and take him back under his wing. But can you forgive somebody who tried to ruin you and murder you? Even if its your son? Probably not.
Which is why I cant understand how he can keep Eli around too...

 
My girlfriend is very upset right now. Her quote was "how can they kill off the hottest guy on the show" :lmao:
Mine was upset too but because in the end she felt bad for Jimmy. He never had a chance and was like Nucky's son. She thought Nuck should have forgiven him and understood what was truly behind Jimmy's actions. I'm on the fence. I liked Jimmy generally and could tell he was conflicted. I wanted Nucky to forgive him and take him back under his wing. But can you forgive somebody who tried to ruin you and murder you? Even if its your son? Probably not.
Which is why I cant understand how he can keep Eli around too...
Maybe he felt more betrayed by Jimmy? Nucky and Eli have a different relationship and the ultimate decision was Jimmy's to make I guess, although he sure let everybody influence the #### out of him while he "ruled"
 
My wife made what i thought was a fair point last night...

Wife: "Wow, I hope this is a dream or something because this show will such without Jimmy."

Me: "Did the Wire suck when "XXX" died... or the Sopranos when "XXX" died.

Wife: "There were plenty of other more interesting characters in both."

Me: "Why assume the worst? It's still a damn good show."

Wife: "Is it unreasonable to think that a show will be worse without one of its best characters?"

Me: "Fair point. :shrug: "

 
Mrs. Dogg hates that they killed Jimmy. I think it's a realistic story arc.
Yea, I think it is realistic. I had a feeling for a few weeks that he might get killed off. Me and my finance were talking about it: how the story really was playing out fully and that because he wasn't a real person but the others were that it was possible. I didn't know for sure though until those dog-tags but I still was hoping Nuck would turn around and shoot Manny. I can't understand a word Manny says 80% of the time. I hope Manny and Capone have more interaction . . . I think it's cool that former Capone TV actor can deal with the new Capone.
 
Anyone that watches SOA should be able to understand why Jimmy had to die. It's what makes BE a much better show than SOA. I enjoy them both, but SOA is like a better "Prison Break" type of guilty pleasure. BE is a not-quite-as good "The Sopranos" quality drama.
Song of Angels? She's On Acid? Slings of Arrows? Sand over Ashes?
 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.

 
Mrs. Dogg hates that they killed Jimmy. I think it's a realistic story arc.
Yea, I think it is realistic. I had a feeling for a few weeks that he might get killed off. Me and my finance were talking about it: how the story really was playing out fully and that because he wasn't a real person but the others were that it was possible. I didn't know for sure though until those dog-tags but I still was hoping Nuck would turn around and shoot Manny. I can't understand a word Manny says 80% of the time. I hope Manny and Capone have more interaction . . . I think it's cool that former Capone TV actor can deal with the new Capone.
Speaking of Manny, he's scary.
 
One more thing about this gamble...This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).Cant wait to see how it plays out.
Game of Thrones was ballsier.
 
'simmonjm said:
So just to get this straight did Jimmy know he was going there to die? Is that why he gave his son the dog tags and told Harrow to stay back?
I thought he was getting whacked when he had the talk with his kid on the beach, the dog tags sealed it.
When he asked about the will going to his son after going to him? He wanted to make sure his kid was okay, but he left him with his mom. You owed the kid more than that Jimmy geez.
 
Mrs. Dogg hates that they killed Jimmy. I think it's a realistic story arc.
I think most agree on this. The question is, will the story be better or worse for it in the end?
Certainly. They've killed off the most intriguing character. The show will need some fresh characters and storylines to make up for this choice.
Nope. Just moved his nanny and him to the midwest. :boxing:
:bye:

 
Mrs. Dogg hates that they killed Jimmy. I think it's a realistic story arc.
I think most agree on this. The question is, will the story be better or worse for it in the end?
Certainly. They've killed off the most intriguing character. The show will need some fresh characters and storylines to make up for this choice.
Nope. Just moved his nanny and him to the midwest. :boxing:
:thumbup:
 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

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*Not a real word.

 
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One more thing about this gamble...This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).
FWIW: There are rumors all over the innerwebs that Michael Pitt is extremely difficult to work with.If true, that would make the writers' decision a lot easier.
 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

____

*Not a real word.
Disagree... There were/are plenty of other intriguing enough characters on GOT to fill the void.
 
One more thing about this gamble...This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).
FWIW: There are rumors all over the innerwebs that Michael Pitt is extremely difficult to work with.If true, that would make the writers' decision a lot easier.
Terence Winter: How would you feel if Michael Pitt were no longer amongst the cast members?Steve Buscemi: If Michael Pitt were no longer amonst the cast members . . . then I would have no opinion on the matter one way or the other.Terence Winter: Well then, it looks like I have a decision to make.
 
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One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

____

*Not a real word.
Disagree... There were/are plenty of other intriguing enough characters on GOT to fill the void.
Boardwalk Empire has plenty of intriguing characters I wouldn't mind seeing more of. Especially Rothstein and Capone.
 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

____

*Not a real word.
Disagree... There were/are plenty of other intriguing enough characters on GOT to fill the void.
Boardwalk Empire has plenty of intriguing characters I wouldn't mind seeing more of. Especially Rothstein and Capone.
My only issue with that is 99% of the viewing audience knows what happens to these guys already. Of course that's if they follow the real life path.

 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

____

*Not a real word.
Disagree... There were/are plenty of other intriguing enough characters on GOT to fill the void.
Quite true, but I thought (Game of Thrones spoiler...)
wacking Ned was equivalent to wacking Nucky here at the time.
[Edited to add spoiler tags since this isn't the Game of Thrones thread. —MT]

 
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One more thing about this gamble...This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).
FWIW: There are rumors all over the innerwebs that Michael Pitt is extremely difficult to work with.If true, that would make the writers' decision a lot easier.
Terence Winter: How would you feel if Michael Pitt were no longer amongst the cast members?Steve Buscemi: If Michael Pitt were no longer amonst the cast members . . . then I would have no opinion on the matter one way or the other.Terence Winter: Well then, it looks like I have a decision to make.
I see what you did there MT :thumbup: Great season with plenty of interesting places to go in future episodes.
 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

____

*Not a real word.
My wife was shaken last night by Jimmy getting killed. She hasn't watched Game of Thrones yet. I think she'll be 5x as shocked when she does.
 
One more thing about this gamble...

This wasn’t like killing off some semi-main character. The best comparison that can be made IMO, would be like if Tony killed Chris-tofa after season 2 or 3 of the Sopranos.

This move is unprecedented, even for cable television shows (IMO).

Cant wait to see how it plays out.
I think it's somewhat precedented* by Game of Thrones.Edit: Leeroy Jenkins beat me.

____

*Not a real word.
Disagree... There were/are plenty of other intriguing enough characters on GOT to fill the void.
Boardwalk Empire has plenty of intriguing characters I wouldn't mind seeing more of. Especially Rothstein and Capone.
My only issue with that is 99% of the viewing audience knows what happens to these guys already. Of course that's if they follow the real life path.
I think that their best path would be to deviate from history with the historical characters. It probably would best be used if they appeared to stay historically true as they focus more on Capone in particular. And then they pull a Jimmy on Al and stun everybody. Of course, while Capone would have the biggest impact, one of the New York guys would probably be much easier to work into the every episode story line.
 

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