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OK, let's flesh out the most significant camp battles and try to post updates in this thread. I'll do my best to update the original post. Also, let's try and achieve maximum news posting and minimum debate of opinion. Let's let the coaches and the depth charts do most of the talking
QB:
Tebow v Orton - Advantage Orton
Orton has been owning tebow, or maybe rather Tebow has been owning himself. Many (including Cecil) feel Quinn has played well enough to jump Tebow as Orton's backup. Neck-beard is here to stay.
Palmer vs Mike Brown (owner) - Advantage Brown
No word from anywhere that Brown is considering a trade, even though Seattle and Miami could use his services.
TJax v Whitehurst - Advantage TJax
Seahawks | Tarvaris Jackson the team's starting quarterback Sat Jul 30, 04:28 PM
Seattle Seahawks QB Tarvaris Jackson, continuing a previous storyline, won't just enter training camp and the preseason as the Seahawks' starting quarterback, he will also be the team's starting quarterback for Week 1 of the regular season. Jackson was just signed by the team Friday, July 29, and will not be able to work with the team in training camp until Aug. 4 due to new CBA rules. 'In this situation, I think to make it the most competitive for our team, Tarvaris needs to be our starter right now,' head coach Pete Carroll said. 'He comes in as our starter. He's going to own that position until Charlie (Whitehurst) and the next couple fellas that are playing at the spot get a chance to catch up. Then the competition will begin from their end.'
Our view: Jackson struggled with consistency during his time in Minnesota and we think that could hold him back in Seattle too. This QB situation is a mess and we could see both Whitehurst and Jackson rotate back and forth as the starter in 2011.
Beck v Grossman - Advantage Grossman
Beck can't get healthy
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins
RB:
Ryan Williams vs Beanie Wells - Advantage Wells
Wiz appears set on letting Beanie have first and best shot
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/ari/arizona-cardinals
Reports are that Williams looks the part more than Wells.
Spiller v Freddie Jackson - Advantage Jackson
This one continues to be closer than the coach wants it to appear
http://buffalo.ynn.com/content/all_news/552574/spiller-showing-a-lot-at-camp/
Daniel Thomas v Bush - Advantage Committee
Dolphins | Daniel Thomas talks about the running game Sat Jul 30, 06:07 PM
Looking to be Bush named the official starter, but D Thomas takes work between the tackles and goal line, Bush gets everything else. Situation is fluid. Bloom's tweet:
SigmundBloom Sigmund Bloom
RT @OmarKelly RT @thegreatrick713:Is RB Daniel Thomas' job w/ Bush situationally & 3rd down?» Nope. Other way around. Thomas on 2nd down
depth chart lists Thomas 1st
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins
DeAngelo v Stewart - Advantage DeAngelo?
No news I can find about reps but with DWill's contract one has to assume he is taking most reps with first team. Carolina homers, we need an update.
Best v LeShoure - Advantage Best
LeShore gone for season. Best's job.
Mathews v Tolbert - Advantage Committee
Chargers | Running back by committee approach in 2011 Tue Aug 9, 12:35 AM
Running back by committee may be appearing in San Diego, as San Diego Chargers head coach Norv Turner is talking about using RBs Ryan Mathews and Mike Tolbert together this season. 'I don't know if (Mathews) will be one of the leading rushers because I think the emergence of Tolbert gives us a chance to have a one-two punch. Tolbert gives us a nice changeup. Obviously he's a physical, hard-to-tackle, punishing runner and Ryan has great speed, so it's a good situation,' Turner said. Turner went on to say that his current mindset is to use both runners this season. 'I think if you have guys that are diverse, you can use two,' he noted. Mathews didn't sound like he had a problem with the time share, saying the ability to have a one-two punch will really wear down defenses. 'We can both take it to the house. That's going to be hard on defenses,' Mathews noted. Tolbert also chipped in, saying that nobody on the team has a selfish attitude.
Our view: Tolbert was too successful last year to be marginalized into a backup role this year. It looks like everyone who took Mathews #1 overall in rookie drafts over Dez Bryant is going to be disappointed. Mathews will likely be overdrafted in a lot of leagues again this year.
Ingram v Thomas - Advantage Ingram
~ Running game got a good bit of work early in practice with Mark Ingram making sure to run hard throughout.
Hard running today by the backs including veteran Pierre Thomas. Still doesn't feel like he is 100 percent yet, but he likes how things are going so far.
http://www.examiner.com/new-orleans-saints-in-new-orleans/notes-from-new-orleans-saints-training-camp-day-five-august-3-2011
QB:
Tebow v Orton - Advantage Orton
Orton has been owning tebow, or maybe rather Tebow has been owning himself. Many (including Cecil) feel Quinn has played well enough to jump Tebow as Orton's backup. Neck-beard is here to stay.
Palmer vs Mike Brown (owner) - Advantage Brown
No word from anywhere that Brown is considering a trade, even though Seattle and Miami could use his services.
TJax v Whitehurst - Advantage TJax
Seahawks | Tarvaris Jackson the team's starting quarterback Sat Jul 30, 04:28 PM
Seattle Seahawks QB Tarvaris Jackson, continuing a previous storyline, won't just enter training camp and the preseason as the Seahawks' starting quarterback, he will also be the team's starting quarterback for Week 1 of the regular season. Jackson was just signed by the team Friday, July 29, and will not be able to work with the team in training camp until Aug. 4 due to new CBA rules. 'In this situation, I think to make it the most competitive for our team, Tarvaris needs to be our starter right now,' head coach Pete Carroll said. 'He comes in as our starter. He's going to own that position until Charlie (Whitehurst) and the next couple fellas that are playing at the spot get a chance to catch up. Then the competition will begin from their end.'
Our view: Jackson struggled with consistency during his time in Minnesota and we think that could hold him back in Seattle too. This QB situation is a mess and we could see both Whitehurst and Jackson rotate back and forth as the starter in 2011.
Beck v Grossman - Advantage Grossman
Beck can't get healthy
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins
RB:
Ryan Williams vs Beanie Wells - Advantage Wells
Wiz appears set on letting Beanie have first and best shot
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/ari/arizona-cardinals
Reports are that Williams looks the part more than Wells.
Spiller v Freddie Jackson - Advantage Jackson
This one continues to be closer than the coach wants it to appear
http://buffalo.ynn.com/content/all_news/552574/spiller-showing-a-lot-at-camp/
Daniel Thomas v Bush - Advantage Committee
Dolphins | Daniel Thomas talks about the running game Sat Jul 30, 06:07 PM
Looking to be Bush named the official starter, but D Thomas takes work between the tackles and goal line, Bush gets everything else. Situation is fluid. Bloom's tweet:
SigmundBloom Sigmund Bloom
RT @OmarKelly RT @thegreatrick713:Is RB Daniel Thomas' job w/ Bush situationally & 3rd down?» Nope. Other way around. Thomas on 2nd down
depth chart lists Thomas 1st
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins
DeAngelo v Stewart - Advantage DeAngelo?
No news I can find about reps but with DWill's contract one has to assume he is taking most reps with first team. Carolina homers, we need an update.
Best v LeShoure - Advantage Best
LeShore gone for season. Best's job.
Mathews v Tolbert - Advantage Committee
Chargers | Running back by committee approach in 2011 Tue Aug 9, 12:35 AM
Running back by committee may be appearing in San Diego, as San Diego Chargers head coach Norv Turner is talking about using RBs Ryan Mathews and Mike Tolbert together this season. 'I don't know if (Mathews) will be one of the leading rushers because I think the emergence of Tolbert gives us a chance to have a one-two punch. Tolbert gives us a nice changeup. Obviously he's a physical, hard-to-tackle, punishing runner and Ryan has great speed, so it's a good situation,' Turner said. Turner went on to say that his current mindset is to use both runners this season. 'I think if you have guys that are diverse, you can use two,' he noted. Mathews didn't sound like he had a problem with the time share, saying the ability to have a one-two punch will really wear down defenses. 'We can both take it to the house. That's going to be hard on defenses,' Mathews noted. Tolbert also chipped in, saying that nobody on the team has a selfish attitude.
Our view: Tolbert was too successful last year to be marginalized into a backup role this year. It looks like everyone who took Mathews #1 overall in rookie drafts over Dez Bryant is going to be disappointed. Mathews will likely be overdrafted in a lot of leagues again this year.
Ingram v Thomas - Advantage Ingram
~ Running game got a good bit of work early in practice with Mark Ingram making sure to run hard throughout.
Hard running today by the backs including veteran Pierre Thomas. Still doesn't feel like he is 100 percent yet, but he likes how things are going so far.
http://www.examiner.com/new-orleans-saints-in-new-orleans/notes-from-new-orleans-saints-training-camp-day-five-august-3-2011
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