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** Official Chicago Bears Offseason thread ** (1 Viewer)
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Chadstroma
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Southside Stosh
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Da Bears needed a LT, period. IMO, this was fantastic pick, and probably the saftest Da Bears could make at 14. Now Tait can move back to RT, his natual position. I liked Albert a lot, but I don't see him developing into a starting tackle in 08.
If Da bears don't get the O-line fixed in this draft, the Grossman/Orton juggernaut will find themselves on their backs counting the stadium lights on passing downs. The Vikes and Pack will both have scary-good D-lines this season.
This draft should be all about the offensive side of the ball.
If Da bears don't get the O-line fixed in this draft, the Grossman/Orton juggernaut will find themselves on their backs counting the stadium lights on passing downs. The Vikes and Pack will both have scary-good D-lines this season.
This draft should be all about the offensive side of the ball.
BigA
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NO WR? Booker, Lloyd, bradley, hester, olsen and we'll probably draft one and we have no wr? As of right now we are a passing team, so a pass blocker is the right choice. benson is probably done, so its gonna be either rb or another Oline with the 2nd pick.Red Apples
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Bears sure do seem content to sit and wait till their next pick..
10 Trades in round 1 so far, 5 RBs off the board and 2 QBs
10 Trades in round 1 so far, 5 RBs off the board and 2 QBs
-X-
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Not with the next pick, any O-lineman now is a reach until late round three or round four, IMO.
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twistd
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Let's see, Booker is a weak #2. Bradley has done nothing. Lloyd is useless. Hester is a slot receiver that can't run routes and probably can't be a full time receiver. Olsen may turn out to be decent. And if you draft a WR he will probably do nothing for three years. The Bears apparently intend on running the ball.NO WR? Booker, Lloyd, bradley, hester, olsen and we'll probably draft one and we have no wr? As of right now we are a passing team, so a pass blocker is the right choice. benson is probably done, so its gonna be either rb or another Oline with the 2nd pick.
twistd
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I'd be okay with that in the third or fourth round. Angelo does this, he falls in love with a guy and overdrafts him. Forte was a third or fourth round RB. Brohm and Henne were both on the board, as well as Sweed. At least the Bears got a LT. I like Rice better than Forte, and he was drafted way too early. And now we are stuck with another year of looking at this train wreck at QB.
The Kansas Comet
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So am I, given they drafted a running back that should have been picked on the second day.
Red Apples
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brohm and henne are falling...
will the bears just for the love of gawd make a move and get either of these guys
will the bears just for the love of gawd make a move and get either of these guys
twistd
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Of course not, because Angelo won't admit that Grossman can't play.
Southside Stosh
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Well, it seems that Benson is done. He is certainly isn't feeling any love from Da Bears FO. Maybe that ankle injury is more of a concern that we are led to believe. In any case, Da Bears have made a statement by drafting Forte.
It's possible, but I don't see Da Bears carrying 4 HBs on opening day. Me thinks Ben$on is the odd man out.
It's possible, but I don't see Da Bears carrying 4 HBs on opening day. Me thinks Ben$on is the odd man out.
Southside Stosh
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I don't see it happening. Da Bears probably won't address QB until the 4th round or later. There are just too many needs left on Offense. Not to mention that it wouldn't hurt to draft depth at DT.
millertyme1
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Toss up to me. Wolfe didn't show much either. I guess they'd rather part with a 3-year mistake than a 1-year one.
Deranged Hermit
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I am absolutely livid that they didn't take Brohm or Henne. Another wiff in a series of them by an inept Bears FO.....
Southside Stosh
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Handing Wolfe the ball up the middle and pass protection isn't Wolfe's Forte (pun intended). If Wolfe is used appropriately by Ron Turner he will be a decent change-of-pace back and adds depth to the return game. IMO, he was a reach in the 3rd round last year and could have been drafted later. I think he gets another season to show what he can do or else we'll be watching him in the Arena League.
Red Apples
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Packers trade to get Brohm
Miami trades to get Henne
Bears keep Rex
Miami trades to get Henne
Bears keep Rex
flapgreen
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Yet another gift to our rivals so we can be dominated for another 10 years.
twistd
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This is what ESPN had to say about ForteThis is a minor reach in our opinion. Forte is an instinctive runner who does a good job locating seams between the tackles and excels at picking up yards after contact. Also, he catches the ball well and is the best pass-blocker of all the running backs in this draft. However, he's faster than he is quick, so he'll have some problems turning the corner and he won't break a lot of long runs in the NFL.Complete analysisInsiderThe Kansas Comet said:So am I, given they drafted a running back that should have been picked on the second day.fsufan said:
Southside Stosh
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Da Bears filled their two biggest needs with their first two picks respectively. I don't see a problem with Da Bears draft logic so far.Southside Stosh said:Because qb isn't the biggest need they have.
If they don't get that O-Line fixed, it doesn't matter who's behind center.If they don't develop a running game, it won't matter who's behind center either. The Offense will sputter and underperform, just like last year.
Whoever Da Bears pick as QB tomorrow will be relegated to clipboard duty for at least this season, barring injury. Rex/Kyle will get their shot first. Orton at least has earned a chance to compete. No need to spend a 2nd round pick on a QB who, god willing, won't see the field for three years.
The Kansas Comet
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I saw that too - it didn't make my day any more enjoyable. Then to see the Pack get Brohm...it's freaking unbelievable (unless you're a Bears fan - decades of experience with sub par quarterbacks).This is what ESPN had to say about ForteThis is a minor reach in our opinion. Forte is an instinctive runner who does a good job locating seams between the tackles and excels at picking up yards after contact. Also, he catches the ball well and is the best pass-blocker of all the running backs in this draft. However, he's faster than he is quick, so he'll have some problems turning the corner and he won't break a lot of long runs in the NFL.Complete analysisInsiderThe Kansas Comet said:So am I, given they drafted a running back that should have been picked on the second day.fsufan said:
flapgreen
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Won't see the field for 3 years?Da Bears filled their two biggest needs with their first two picks respectively. I don't see a problem with Da Bears draft logic so far.Southside Stosh said:Because qb isn't the biggest need they have.
If they don't develop a running game, it won't matter who's behind center either. The Offense will sputter and underperform, just like last year.
Whoever Da Bears pick as QB tomorrow will be relegated to clipboard duty for at least this season, barring injury. Rex/Kyle will get their shot first. Orton at least has earned a chance to compete. No need to spend a 2nd round pick on a QB who, god willing, won't see the field for three years.
If they don't develop a passing game and stop throwing 50 int's a game, it won't matter who's in the backfield or who's blocking either. Their qb's are putrid and easily the worst combo in the league. They've been an absolute embarrassment for years. And who cares if the qb they draft doesn't the field much this season, which I also disagree with. I don't think the playoffs are in sight next season anyway. We need to build for the long term and adding another rb to the roster won't make a damn bit of difference. The offense is in shambles and it starts with the O-Line and qb. Also, please tell me how Orton has earned a chance to compete. He has competed and he's freaking terrible.
Your reasoning behind taking a rb in the 2nd round and not a qb makes absolutely no sense. I hate Benson, as many on here know, but I'd give him a pass long before Grossman or Orton. Rex and Kyle have had their shots a million times. How many do they need? Orton has earned squat. The guy is terrible and has shown it every time he's on the field. Just awful. No way you've been watching the Bears the last few years.
The rb position is far far down the list of things we desperately need at this point, especially taking taking one that could've easily been taken in a later round, which still doesn't justify taking one in the 2nd. Thinking the rb position is the 2nd biggest need on the team is crazy. .
Is this you, Jerry?
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geoff8695
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
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I think the Bears have had a very SAFE draft so far.
They needed a left tackle. They drafted the best available.
They needed an NFL caliber running back to push Benson, and they drafted one that played in an NFL style offense who was the Senior Bowl Offensive MVP. (Benson will start off the season on the PUP list btw... book it)
Tomorrow they'll upgrade at WR, draft a QB with solid mechanics, draft a guard, perhaps a FB and get some depth at DT and safety.
They needed a left tackle. They drafted the best available.
They needed an NFL caliber running back to push Benson, and they drafted one that played in an NFL style offense who was the Senior Bowl Offensive MVP. (Benson will start off the season on the PUP list btw... book it)
Tomorrow they'll upgrade at WR, draft a QB with solid mechanics, draft a guard, perhaps a FB and get some depth at DT and safety.
flapgreen
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Then why not take Brohm in the 2nd and Forte in the 3rd, if you're going to look at it that way? Extremely likely Forte would still be there. No way Henne or Brohm were going to be. I'm :shuked: Many things have killed them the past few seasons but, in my opinion, the offensive line and qb have been by far the worst and it isn't close. Not many can deny the qb play has dragged this team down the last 2 DECADES. Sickening
RBM
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Interesting
geoff8695
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Forte was a safe pick at RB, and he may be the most well rounded RB in the entire draft. He came from a pro style offense, is an excellent blocker, catches the ball wall, and has the size to run between the tackles. Jerry Angelo probably had his sights set on Forte and ranked him high enough on the Bears draft board that it precluded waiting until the 3rd to draft a RB. I wouldn't have minded Brohm in the 2nd , but what if the only RBs left in round 3 were Kevin Smith, Tashard Choice, and Mike Hart? That frightening possibility is enough for me to accept Forte in round 2 over Brohm or Henne.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
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Simple - because Benson isn't going to be ready to start the season whereas Grossman and Orton will. With a RB that cares, and an upgraded O-Line, Grossman and Orton will be better this year. I don't think either are the answer, but it was more important to upgrade the O-Line and RB positions than QB.btw... does this late round pick look familiar?
The Bears have been competitive since Sid Luckman retired, they can continue to do so. Booty or Dixon are still available, aren't they?
Craig_MiamiFL
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And only our Bears would Round 3+ WR's would be considered upgrades...I love what Mark Bradley brought to the table his rookie year. But the guy hasn't stayed healthy since. Now, we're looking at him as our savior. (He IMO is the only one on the roster that even has the physcial tools to be a lead receiver). At least Berrian flashed before he was put at the forefront of the WR group. Bradley did next to nothing last year. Booker's a #3 WR at this point. Hester hasn't shown to be anything but a perhaps a slot guy. I won't even start on Brandon Lloyd.So discouraging. I'm not going to make excuses for the Bears' front office anymore.
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Southside Stosh
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Your logic is flavved. You think by drafting the next Tom Brady that will solve our problems? And you think the next Tom Brady was either Brohm/Henne? Time will tell, but given Da Bears needs, drafting QB at that spot is a huge risk. IMO, neither of those guys are special and could be busts just as likely as to have a Pro-Bowl career. This is not a draft Angelo can afford to screw up. Better to play it safe then appease the fanboys that want a sexy QB pick in a weak draft for QBs.Tell me, how did Brady do in the Superbowl with three seconds to throw, created by Giant's relentless pass rush. A lot like Rexy did in the Superbowl, IIRC.Won't see the field for 3 years?Da Bears filled their two biggest needs with their first two picks respectively. I don't see a problem with Da Bears draft logic so far.Southside Stosh said:If they don't get that O-Line fixed, it doesn't matter who's behind center.
If they don't develop a running game, it won't matter who's behind center either. The Offense will sputter and underperform, just like last year.
Whoever Da Bears pick as QB tomorrow will be relegated to clipboard duty for at least this season, barring injury. Rex/Kyle will get their shot first. Orton at least has earned a chance to compete. No need to spend a 2nd round pick on a QB who, god willing, won't see the field for three years.
If they don't develop a passing game and stop throwing 50 int's a game, it won't matter who's in the backfield or who's blocking either. Their qb's are putrid and easily the worst combo in the league. They've been an absolute embarrassment for years. And who cares if the qb they draft doesn't the field much this season, which I also disagree with. I don't think the playoffs are in sight next season anyway. We need to build for the long term and adding another rb to the roster won't make a damn bit of difference. The offense is in shambles and it starts with the O-Line and qb. Also, please tell me how Orton has earned a chance to compete. He has competed and he's freaking terrible.
Your reasoning behind taking a rb in the 2nd round and not a qb makes absolutely no sense. I hate Benson, as many on here know, but I'd give him a pass long before Grossman or Orton. Rex and Kyle have had their shots a million times. How many do they need? Orton has earned squat. The guy is terrible and has shown it every time he's on the field. Just awful. No way you've been watching the Bears the last few years.
The rb position is far far down the list of things we desperately need at this point, especially taking taking one that could've easily been taken in a later round, which still doesn't justify taking one in the 2nd. Thinking the rb position is the 2nd biggest need on the team is crazy. .
Is this you, Jerry?
Do you think Da Bears should be a pass-first team? Pass to setup the run? How well does being a being a pass-first team work in November-January? You need a balanced offensive attack to win in the playoffs, guy. Even John Elway didn't take the Broncos back to the Superbowl until they developed a stellar running game.
Good GMs, like Jim Finks, draft to fix the line on both sides of the ball first, then add skill players as needed. I don't have a problem with Jerry Angelo following this philosophy. The picks today fix a immediate problem and also hopefully eliminate a long term need as well.
Da Bears never should have drafted Griese. Having Griese start instead of Orton, IMO, stunted his growth as QB. Had Orton played rather than Griese during Rexy's "sabbattical", would have helped Da Bears decided whether or not to keep him. Now Orton is under contract for two more years, for better or worse. However, Orton proved he can win. Is he Peyton Manning? No, but Da Bears didn't draft him as such. I don't think he has more upside than Rexy, but he is a solid game manager and if he manages to beat out Rex, he could a serviceable starter until we draft/sign a true franchise QB.
We as fans have no idea what's going on with Benson. Use your head. Obviously something is up, otherwise Da Bears wouldn't have drafted his replacement in the second round. If Benson starts the season on PUP, would that change your opinion of drafting Forte?
I'm not Jerry, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on his draft choices if it plugs the holes on our team.
rotorooter
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would not mind seeing the Bears get Dennis Dixon late as a QB . put him on the developmental team maybe as a 3rd stringer if his knee can hold up then see if he can do something the season after next.
i did not like the pick of an RB in 2nd round at first blush but we needed a guy who may start right away and I think we got one.
i did not like the pick of an RB in 2nd round at first blush but we needed a guy who may start right away and I think we got one.
Red Apples
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geoff8695
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hephner
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I wouldn't mind them getting Johnson at QB, but Angelo doesn't seem like he'd take a shot at a somewhat "unconventional" QB. He's far too conservative. Although, I wouldn't mind them grabbing Johnson and a WR (Doucet, Bennett, Manningham, Caldwell) with those two 3rd rd picks. That would shape up to be a pretty solid draft IMO.
Red Apples
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