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** Official Chicago Bears Offseason thread ** (1 Viewer)

Josh Johnson gone, picked by the Bucs... 4:1 TD:INT ratio would've been nice to have. Cut that in half to 2:1 and it'd still be much better than what we've had in a long time. :no: :lmao: :loco:
I just threw up in my mouth a little...ATL, BAL, GB, MIA, MN, PIT, TB, NYJ, and even NE have all drafted QBs and da Bears draft CB and TE while NFL worthy prospects are flying off the board. :lmao: I'm shuked... QB is a glaring need, yet Angelo drafts a freaking TE and lets Josh Johnson get away from us 2 picks later to TB!?!?! :lmao: :hot: :lmao: :hot:
 
Yeah, let's take an injury-prone, smaller-than-advertised cornerback that tends to get burned deep and has slow recognition instead of a deceptively fast, mobile pocket QB that doesn't turn the ball over, isn't rattled easily under pressure, has good footwork and a quick delivery.

Nicks @ RT as a road-grading mauler made way more sense than another pass-catching TE that can't block a lick.

Now we might have to settle for Woodson or Sam Keller at QB; at least the Skins took Colt Brennan, phew...

 
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so 2009 QB class...gawd please let angelo be fired after this season.i just dont understand why they didnt grab booty or johnson, even as just a flyer for the fans here...to show that manegment understands there is a problem at QB and they are looking towards a solution.looking at a top 5 in 2009-who we got?

Tim Tebow*, Florida Height: 6-3. Weight: 235. Projected 40 Time: 4.54. Projected Round (2009): Top 5 Pick. ESPN's Jesse Palmer said that Tim Tebow moved himself into Heisman consideration in the wake of his performance at Ole Miss. I have to agree. Tebow's passing numbers were great - 20-of-34, 262 yards, two touchdowns - but his rushing numbers were downright spectacular (26 carries, 164 yards, two more scores). Tebow passed his first true test with flying colors. The sophomore was 14-of-19 for 299 yards, two touchdowns and one interception against Tennessee. He also rushed for 61 yards and two more scores on the ground. Sam Bradford**, Oklahoma Height: 6-4. Weight: 214. Projected 40 Time: 4.68. Projected Round (2009): Top 10 Pick. 3/26/08: Sam Bradford is going into his redshirt sophomore year, so he'll be eligible for the 2009 Draft. If he matches his 2007 numbers this upcoming year, I see no reason why he woudn't come out early. Bradford threw for 3,121 yards, 36 touchdowns and only eight picks - as a freshman. Unbelievable. Can we get a birth certificate? Curtis Painter, Purdue Height: 6-4. Weight: 223. Projected 40 Time: 4.81. Projected Round (2009): 1-2. 3/26/08: Curtis Painter threw for less yardage (3.846) than he did as a sophomore, but he compiled more touchdowns (29 to 22), less interceptions (11 to 19) and a higher completion percentage (62.6 to 59.4). Painter threw for more yards (3,985) last year than any player in Purdue history, which includes Drew Brees and Kyle Orton. That said, after starting hot in 2006, Painter was largely ineffective against Wisconsin (20-40, 187 yds, 1 INT), Penn State (22-39, 184 yds, 2 INTs), Illinois (20-42, 229 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT) and Indiana (4 INTs). Matt Stafford*, Georgia Height: 6-3. Weight: 237. Projected 40 Time: 4.74. Projected Round (2009): 1-2. 3/26/08: Matt Stafford improved upon his freshman campaign, throwing for 2,523 yards and 19 touchdowns. He did, however, complete just 55.7 percent of his passes. I'm not as high on Matt Stafford as other people are. Call me crazy, but I'm not sold on a guy who compiled way more picks (13) than touchdowns (7), even if he was a freshman. Stafford threw three interceptions against both Mississippi State and Kentucky - not the greatest opponents in the world. Stafford looked good against Auburn (14-20, 219 yds, 7 carries, 83 rush yds, 2 total TDs) and Georgia Tech (16-29, 171 yds, 1 TD), but things fell apart for him in the Chick Fil-A Bowl against Virginia Tech, where he went 9-of-21 for 129 yards, one touchdown and an interception. Stafford doesn't have the greatest weapons to work with, so I admit that I'm being a little harsh in my criticism. Hunter Cantwell, Louisville Height: 6-5. Weight: 230. Projected 40 Time: 4.72. Projected Round (2009): 1-2. This is sort of like the Carson Palmer-Matt Leinart situation at USC. Hunter Cantwell stepped in for an injured Brian Brohm in 2006 and threw for 700 yards, five touchdowns and two picks, maintaining a completion percentage of 64.3. One of the top prospects in the nation who will have to wait until the 2008 season to play.
 
From the thread on Brian Brohm, newest QB addition to division rival GB Packers:

fsufan said:
the bears should of drafted him with their last selection
Bears are taking one last shot at orton and grossman. They need a RBC guy and offensive line. Da Bears are going to try again for the Superbowl one last try before totally rebuilding. Bears should be getting another Offensive line guy and Def. Line guy as well tomorrow.
There is a reason this franchise's career passing yardage leader played during World War II, in an era when players played both ways and the season was 11 games. The fact that they could possibly look at Orton and Grossman and think, "thank you, may I have another!" is beyond comprehension.
 
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I'm just stunned - I can't believe that Angelo has drafted 1 offensive lineman and 0 quarterbacks. I guess he's waiting for all those massive talents he'll scoop up in the 7th round. How many more years does this clown have on his contract? No QB of the present and no QB of the future - what a way to build a team.

:lol: :lmao: :lmao: :wall:

 
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Last gasp for decent prospects:

Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma State

Kerry Brown, OL, Appalachian State

Thaddeus Coleman, OT, Mississippi Valley State

Mike Fladdell, OT, Rutgers

 
So we draft a TE (two great starters now) and a DE (three great starters now) but there isn't one QB out there worth taking a shot on, given that we don't have a single starting caliber QB?

Dude, they started out right and after the first pick in the third just lost their freaking minds. The only thing I can think of is that they know someone they can get through FA after June 1 cuts. This is unbelievable.

 
#222 (7.15) - Chester Adams, OG, Georgia

Another unknown with no scouting report available. At least it's an O-lineman.

 
I was happy until the 5th round picks.

What the hell is Angelo thinking with only one o-lineman? Absolutely no excuse for that.

 
#243 (7.36) Joey LaRocque, OLB, Oregon State

#247 (7.40) Kirk Barton, OT, Ohio State

#248 (7.41) Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas

 
I may be in the minority here, but I gave up on the Bears draft when they selected Forte in round 2. Don't get me wrong he's a solid player, but not in the 2nd round. Angelo should be fired.

 
Forte would not have lasted until 3.07, Detroit would've snapped him up @ 3.01. Rounds 1-4 were solid; rounds 5-7 were abysmal.

 
I'm glad the Bears didn't waste a pick on a QB. When was the last one they developed? You can get QB's from FA too.

 
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I may be in the minority here, but I gave up on the Bears draft when they selected Forte in round 2. Don't get me wrong he's a solid player, but not in the 2nd round. Angelo should be fired.
I agreed with you initially, but looking at the board the only two runners left at their spot in the third, assuming Forte would have gone to someone else, were Choice and Charles. And the last thing the Bears need is another RB from Texas.
 
I'm glad the Bears didn't waste a pick on a QB. When was the last one they developed? You can get QB's from FA too.
How many solid free agents QBs change teams? Brees went to the Saints. Hasselbeck went to Seattle. Cleveland got Derek Anderson. The guys that are most likely to be available are guys like Jeff Garcia, Kurt Warner, or Jon Kitna. There aren't a whole lot of good QBs who are available in free agency. However, your point is solid about the Bears developing QBs. The Bears have not developed an above average QB in my lifetime. Probably the best one was McMahon in the 80s and he wasn't really developed. The Packers on the other hand, during the time Farve was the starter, had Brunnel, Aaron Brooks, and Hasselbeck. I would say that Brunnell for a number of years, and Hasselbeck, have both been better than anyone the Bears have had. Even Aaron Brooks was better than 90% of the QBs the Bears have had under center. Now the Packers have Rogers, but draft Brohm and Matt Flynn. They are hedging their bets if Rogers doesn't pan out. The Bears go in to the season with two very questionable QBs on the roster and decide not to draft a single QB. Really makes you think that maybe, when it comes to QBs, they just haven't a clue what they are doing.I would argue that the Bears, over the last twenty years, have had the weakest QB play of any team in the league.
 
5th round is haunting me. Switch Bowman the cb and the tight end waste for Scheuning and Josh Johnson and Id be thrilled.

Right now, Im happy with the 1st 5 picks, 4 rounds.

 
Qb's that the Bears could have had in the past few years that changed teams:

Brees

Hasselbach

Kitna

Delhomme

Schaub

Rosenfels

Garcia

McCown

This is just a short list. Every year there are some that can fit your system. Just have no confidence in the Bears developing one. Still Grossman is a far better option than Orton. I have watched the Bears for 40 years and all they really had was Mc Mahon, Jim Miller for a month, and Kramer for a season. The rest was garbage. Wonder why Sid Luckman still holds the Bears passing records?

 
We need to watch that situation in Cleveland and possibly make a move on Quinn next offseason, if Anderson goes through this year as the definite starter.

 
Here's the scouting report on Nick Hill. My favorites are in bold. Really shows you how much of a priority Angelo felt the QB position was. Nick Hill Scouting Report

Position: QB

School & Year/Status: Southern Illinois - Senior

Height & Weight: 6'3 - 214 lbs.

2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report

Hill originally attended Western Kentucky University on a basketball scholarship, but transferred to Southern Illinois University in 2004. He appeared in four games in 2005, mainly on mop up duties, throwing only 20 passes (completing 12 for 288 yards and three TDs). He also rushed for 102 yards on nine carries. Hill became SIU's starting quarterback in 2006, starting all of the school's thirteen games and throwing for 1,721 yards on 196 attempts. He completed 121 of those for a competition percentage of 61.7, with 15 TDs and 4 interceptions. He also rushed for 382 yards and six TDs on 91 carries. Again, Hill started all of SIU's 14 games in 2007, recording his best season as a passer. He threw for 3,175 yards, while completing 258 of 361 passed attempted for an impressive 71.5 competition percentage. He threw for 28 TDs and seven INTs and was invited to the Texas vs. The Nation All Star Classic.

Hill has a good quarterback frame. He is very accurate in the short-to-medium range area and is not afraid of taking off when the protection breakdowns. Hill has a real passion for the game. Although, his arm strength is below average and he has poor passing mechanics. His footwork needs a lot of correction. Hill does not posses any significant QB trait and is very limited athletically.

Hill was regarded at best as a free agent prospect when the season began. He showed a lot of improvement during the season, but continued to struggle (mostly because of poor arm strength) at the Classic. Nevertheless, Hill is a very accurate passer. He is the type of QB that usually finds a way to hang onto a third string job for quite a while. It would not be surprising if he made a roster, but should be drafted late in the seventh round of the draft. Hill could really be something if he is allowed to develop for a few years.

 
all rookie qbs taken need seasoning-we need to grab and develop a qb and create a better option at the position.this is not a quick fix job
I agree. The Packers invested a first round pick in Rogers, but they still protected themselves with Brohm. The Bears can't be all that confident of Grossman or Orton. If you don't draft a QB then you are starting from scratch next year.
Gotta think Woodson or Brennan with the next pick.
Now there's some quality. :ph34r: 4th place in the NFC North is sewn up. Blew it on a QB this year and the 2009 class is worse.
Dramatic much?Come on, folks. Don't go all panicky because they didn't pick another QB. They have what they need at the position, they need to make their run now - not 5 years from now - which means they can't build their rn around star quality offense. They needed to shore up the o-line and get a running game going again along with a passable passing game. I think this draft did that.They need to ensure that we can stop the run...don't forget that before all the defensive injuries (and legal problems), many of us were heading into last year thinking the Bears had not just one of the best but one of the deepest defensive units in the game. They still do. Sure, I'm a bit concerned about all of the prior injuries that the players Jerry drafted bring with them, bt all in all if just one or two pan out then I'd call this a heck of a draft.My biggest concern now is not around players so much as play calling. Will the defense get back to doing what got them to the SB in '06? That's what I'm most worried about now...
 
I'm glad the Bears didn't waste a pick on a QB. When was the last one they developed? You can get QB's from FA too.
:hey: :towelwave:This draft said to me that they really are committed to becoming that "run first" team that they have been touting for the past few years. I admit that I tend to be optimistic about these things, but my Bears did make the SB two years ago.As Angelo said on the news just now, "we targeted starters". They were drafting for results NOW, not in 3-4 years. They also said that the Bears'll be looking to pick up an undrafted FA at QB. We'll see...
 
Bears are waiting on clausen in 2 years. He wont need any time on the bench as he will be nfl ready. :confused: :bag:

 
I just watched a replay of some of the press conference from today w/ Lovie and Angelo, and both were asked about and discussing the "character" issues on some of the players drafted. One of the things I love about being a Chicago Bears fan is that the current administration holds solid core values as a priority.

Jerry's answer (paraphrased):

We are in the business of winning football ganmes. We do not expect everyone to be angelic. But we are not going to prostitute character. We are not going to put wining football games ahead of character.

I mean, would these questions even be asked in a market like Dallas or Oakland, let alone get a solid answer like that? I think not.

 
Just take a shot and get Leftwich in there to compete with Grossman and Orton. Have nothing to lose.

 
Reading in the Trib this morning, I found it interesting that they were saying the QB the Bears were interested in was Booty from USC and no mention of Henne.

 
all rookie qbs taken need seasoning-

we need to grab and develop a qb and create a better option at the position.

this is not a quick fix job
I agree. The Packers invested a first round pick in Rogers, but they still protected themselves with Brohm. The Bears can't be all that confident of Grossman or Orton. If you don't draft a QB then you are starting from scratch next year.
Gotta think Woodson or Brennan with the next pick.
Now there's some quality. :shrug: 4th place in the NFC North is sewn up. Blew it on a QB this year and the 2009 class is worse.
Dramatic much?Come on, folks. Don't go all panicky because they didn't pick another QB. They have what they need at the position, they need to make their run now - not 5 years from now - which means they can't build their rn around star quality offense. They needed to shore up the o-line and get a running game going again along with a passable passing game. I think this draft did that.

They need to ensure that we can stop the run...don't forget that before all the defensive injuries (and legal problems), many of us were heading into last year thinking the Bears had not just one of the best but one of the deepest defensive units in the game. They still do. Sure, I'm a bit concerned about all of the prior injuries that the players Jerry drafted bring with them, bt all in all if just one or two pan out then I'd call this a heck of a draft.

My biggest concern now is not around players so much as play calling. Will the defense get back to doing what got them to the SB in '06? That's what I'm most worried about now...
:goodposting: Of the Bears first several picks, at least 2 (maybe up to 4) will have a chance to start and/or see decent playing time this year. Drafting a LT at 14 was huge - especially as many have said that he is the most "NFL ready" tackle in the draft. There are some that may turn out better in the long run, but he is probably the best option to start this year. Forte, while not ideal fills the need at RB. If Benson is healthy and plays well, then you've got a solid RBBC - if not, then Forte could end up being your starter. The WR taken in the 3rd could see playing time later in the year (hopefully not sooner) - especially if Bradley succombs to an injury...again. The 3rd round DT will help stop the run (an issue), keep OL off of Urlacher and hopefully take some of the pressure of T.Harris on the double teams. He may not start, but will likely see time in the rotation -especiallyon running downs.

Overall, I'm fairly happy with the draft - solid B+, imho. Anyone who is frustrated that they didn't take a QB, a few points:

1) They needed O-line worse (and a running game). With their pre-draft o-line, and if Benson was hurt, any QB would be able to count seagulls flying over soldier field on any passing down (which, if Benson is hurt to start the year, would start with "1st and 10" or at least "2nd and 12")

2) Anyone who has watched the Bears and Rex knows 2 things - Pressure = Bad Rex, Time to throw = Good Rex. Getting best pass blocking LT was huge to this end.

3) The Bears are trying to win now. Drafting a QB who might be ready to start in 2-3 years isn't going to help in 2008 or even 2009.

 
1) They needed O-line worse (and a running game). With their pre-draft o-line, and if Benson was hurt, any QB would be able to count seagulls flying over soldier field on any passing down (which, if Benson is hurt to start the year, would start with "1st and 10" or at least "2nd and 12")

2) Anyone who has watched the Bears and Rex knows 2 things - Pressure = Bad Rex, Time to throw = Good Rex. Getting best pass blocking LT was huge to this end.

3) The Bears are trying to win now. Drafting a QB who might be ready to start in 2-3 years isn't going to help in 2008 or even 2009.
Good points. Not really unhappy about passing on a qb.But I am definitely frustrated by ignoring guard again. There was some young talent available in FA and they passed, and there were plenty of guards in this draft that probably couldve helped but they passed.

I dont know, maybe they are just extremely confident in Beekman.

 
Here is why I feel uncomfortable with this draft. If the Bears had signed Alan Faneca, and drafted Chris Williams I'd feel good about the offensive line. Faneca would be playing between Kreutz and Williams, making them both better. Williams improves the LT spot, and allows Tait to move to RT. But now they have Metcalf penciled in at LG. Metcalf is 30 years old and never been a starter. Beekman has also been mentioned to fill that slot. Reuben Brown played really badly last year, yet neither Metcalf or Beekman played good enough to take Brown's job. Fred Miller played really poorly at RT and no one on the roster played well enough to take his job. Moving Tait to RT helps that slot, but they don't have much behind him. If Tait or Williams get hurt that means St Clair comes in. He too, is 30 years old and a career back up. They desperately need youth and talent on this offensive line. Tait is 33. Kreutz is 30. St Clair is 30. Metcalf is 30.

If the Bears didn't sign Faneca, as they didn't, they should have drafted some more talent for the offensive line. I know they drafted a couple of O-linemen in the seventh, but those are picks that may not make the team. Seventh round picks are risky at best, and even if they make the team not likely to contribute for awhile. I think the Bears would have been better served to spend a 3rd and 5th on offensive linemen, rather than a WR and a TE. A WR and A TE, without drafting a QB makes no sense at all. What is the point of improving your receiving core if you don't know if you have a QB? A vastly improved O-line will improve both the running game and the passing game. The receiving core should have been addressed in free agency, not the draft. DJ Hackett and Bryant Johnson are two players that could have helped at a very reasonable price.

The O-line should be better than they were. But do the Bears have someone they are grooming to replace Tait? Is there young talent behind the starters, or are all these guys back ups at best? I think that if Tait or Williams gets hurt they are in big trouble. Angelo would have been smarter to draft some quality depth, players to develop at that position, rather than a WR and a TE.

 
Agree with your assessment twistd, however I just think that the Bears have too many holes to fill to just concentrate on one offensive group.

Question: There was a lot of talk that the Bears would not carry 4 RBs on their opening day roster. If that's the case, what is going to happen with Benson, Forte, Peterson, Wolfe?

 
I am pretty content with the Bears' draft. They addressed many of their needs, although intially I would have hoped they took a flier at a QB in the later rounds. But according to what has been said about this year's QB class, there weren't any sure things, but since it takes a year or so for a QB to be ready at this level, I was hoping they would take someone that can learn and fill the spot next year in case Rex and Orton fail.

That said, this shows me that the Bears organization is confident that one or the other will be able to do the job. I may be in the minority here, but I tend to agree. I still think they both are capable of being more than serviceable QBs. The Bears will never be a pass first team so stop hoping they will. If you want that, become a Patriots fan. All we need is a QB that controls the game, limits his mistakes, and keep defenses honest. If you look back, Rex played pretty well in the games where he wasn't under pressure. When he had no protection, he stunk. Hopefully things will get better after addressing two OL needs (Tait moving to the right side is included). Worst case scenario, Rex and Orton both fail miserably and the Bears are forced to look in a new direction next year. Next year's FAs include:

QB Jeff Garcia UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers

QB David Garrard UFA Jacksonville Jaguars

QB J.P. Losman UFA Buffalo Bills

QB Kurt Warner UFA Arizona Cardinals

QB Byron Leftwich UFA Atlanta Falcons

These would be all decent FA signings for a year while a new rookie Qb is drafted and groomed next year. And if you say they're terrible, they couldn't be worse than Orton and Rex if they happen to fail (which i don't think both will).

Also possibly available would be Brady Quinn or one of GBs three QBs.

 
Do not understand why the Bears could not of traded back up in the 6th round to get Woodson??
Bears don't need a QB, because "Rex is our quarterback...":LovieSmith:
:thumbup: Another huge blunder to add to the multiple others over the last 20 years. It's not like the qb position has been an issue with the Bears during that time. Beyond me, guys. ;)

 
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