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***Official CLEVELAND INDIANS Thread*** (1 Viewer)

kaa said:
The Indians simply need to draft a helluva lot better. This is an organization that drafted an insane amount of talent to build the 90s teams. Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, Bartolo Colon, Albert Belle, Paul Shuey, Chuck Nagy and Brian Giles were Indians draft picks. Sure they traded off other players to add Lofton, Baerga, Alomar, and Vizquel. But you have to make good trades AND DRAFT WELL.Currently on the Indians roster that the Indians have drafted / originally signed are:Chris GimenezVictor MartinezDavid HuffJeremy SowersThe key to the Indians future is if guys like Crowe and Chisenhall turn into superstars.
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Right. And they will have a top 5-10 pick next year which should get them a player that has a chance to start soon and a chance to be a future all star. Better not screw that pick up.
 
The Man With No Name said:
kaa said:
The Indians simply need to draft a helluva lot better. This is an organization that drafted an insane amount of talent to build the 90s teams. Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, Bartolo Colon, Albert Belle, Paul Shuey, Chuck Nagy and Brian Giles were Indians draft picks. Sure they traded off other players to add Lofton, Baerga, Alomar, and Vizquel. But you have to make good trades AND DRAFT WELL.Currently on the Indians roster that the Indians have drafted / originally signed are:Chris GimenezVictor MartinezDavid HuffJeremy SowersThe key to the Indians future is if guys like Crowe and Chisenhall turn into superstars.
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Right. And they will have a top 5-10 pick next year which should get them a player that has a chance to start soon and a chance to be a future all star. Better not screw that pick up.
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If held today, it would be #3 since we have the 4th worst record and the AL's worst team will draft 1st next year. (FYI, the draft order is based on record alternating between leagues. The Nationals had 2008's worst record and it was the NL's turn to draft first. If it was the AL's turn to go first, they'd have drafted 2nd.)Then, there's the whole "signability" thing. God help us if they draft a Boras client.
 
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Trade Deadline Winners and Losers

Jason Stark

ESPN.com

They're not going to feel like winners in Cleveland right now. We know that. Trading away a rent-a-player such as DeRosa was one thing. Trading two pillars the likes of Martinez and Lee is another. So, as one AL front-office man put it, "I'm sure there are no smiles in Cleveland right now. You think about where they were in 2007, up 3-1 in the ALCS and one win away from the World Series. And next thing you know, they're the big sellers two years in a row in July. That can't feel real good."

But of the teams that spent July selling off, nobody reeled in the quality haul of prospects the Indians did. They collected six solid young players who are either big-league-ready now or will be shortly (Chris Perez, Justin Masterson, Carlos Carrasco, Lou Marson, Jason Donald and Jess Todd). And they built both the Lee and Martinez deals around younger, 6-foot-5 flame-ballers who both project as No. 1 starters -- Jason Knapp and Nick Hagadone, respectively.

So for what they were trying to accomplish, they did well. But "here's the tough part," said the same front-office man. "This is different than trading CC. At least they could do that and know the next year they still had Cliff Lee. But these trades mean they're not going to win for a couple of years. I'm sure they're excited about a lot of the guys they got back. But 81 times a year, you've got to sit there and watch it. And that's tough. I think they're going to end up being really good in about 2012. But in the meantime, it's going to be hard."
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shapiro said this friday

"Bill Parcells once told me that Winning is the only thing that matters, the media and fans may hate you, but win a championship cures everything. do what you think is right and if you know what you are doing it will all fall into place."

he also said that the timing for the Paul Byrd Steroids deal could not have been worse (definately agree)

"paul walked into my office and told me that he was having trouble with recovery time and couldn't sleep, when he did the steroids it helped with both, is that wrong?... after he walked out of my office i said out loud, "yes, that is cheating""

edit to add that he said a third team was never discussed with boston

 
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Glad we didn't have to toss him back.

Agreement with top pick Alex White came with two minutes to spare:

Indians Insiderby Paul Hoynes/Plain Dealer Reporter Tuesday August 18, 2009, 9:19 PM

The Indians signed No.1 pick Alex White with time to spare. Two minutes, to be exact.

Chris Antonetti said he reached a deal with agent Keith Grunewald at 11:58 p.m. Monday. The signing deadline was midnight and the commissioner's office had to be informed with a time-stamped e-mail.

The Indians signed White, the 15th player taken in the first round, for $2.25 million. MLB's slotting bonus for that pick is an estimated $1.55 million. The Indians got the deal done by raising their offer late in the negotiations.

As a perk, White was invited to big-league camp next spring in Goodyear, Ariz.

White, who turns 21 on Aug. 29, went 8-4 with a 3.89 ERA for North Carolina this year. He made one start in the College World Series, allowing one run and striking out 12 in nine innings in a loss to Arizona State. He threw 131 pitches in the game.

GM Mark Shapiro said White won't pitch in the minors this season, but will participate in the Indians' Arizona Instructional League in September. He could play in the Arizona Fall League.

Shapiro speculated that White could be in the big leagues sometime in 2011.

"He gives us a 10th pitcher that we've infused into our system," said Shapiro.

The first nine pitchers Shapiro was referring to were acquired in a series of trades starting in late June. The pitchers include Chris Perez, Jess Todd, Connor Graham, Scott Barnes, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Justin Masterson, Nick Hagadone and Bryan Price. Perez, Todd and Masterson are already in the big leagues.

"Alex is one of toughest kids I've ever coached," said Mike Fox, the Tar Heels' head baseball coach. "He's a competitor, he's committed and he's confident. He's ready to go pro. He's done all he can for us here."

White went 27-14 in 55 appearances, including 49 starts, at North Carolina. The Indians will initially look at him as a starter, but he could end up in the bullpen.

"I think his preference is to start," said Fox, "but he has the mentality to be a reliever. A couple of years ago in the College World Series we brought him out of the bullpen and he was very effective."

The Indians usually let their top pitching prospects start in the minors. They feel it helps them develop their pitches and mechanics.

"We want to keep both options open with Alex," said Shapiro. "The only way to do that is to let him start."

White throws a fastball, slider and split.

"He gets stronger as the game goes along," said Fox. "At the end of his starts this year he was throwing 93 to 94 mph."
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Bobcat10 said:
Sezy - Any cool Shapiro talks lately?Looking forward to Carrasco tonight. Not much else going on...
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a little bit ago when dennis leary was on Mike and Mike in the morning, Mark was talking about when Leary was broadcasting from the booth and how that was the funniest thing he heard during a baseball broadcast ever.i have been out of town for a few weeks and not seen him, will let ya know when i talk to him again.should be fun to hear him talk about his offseason strategy
 
Doctor Detroit said:
This thread is 2 years old. I'd kill it and pretend I was a Pirates fan if I lived in Cleveland. gllllllllll
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:rolleyes: IIRC, your team won 74 games last year and have not been to the playoffs since 2006. You're team is not exactly setting the bar very high these days. ####, haven't for a very long time.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
Bobcat10 said:
Doctor Detroit said:
This thread is 2 years old. I'd kill it and pretend I was a Pirates fan if I lived in Cleveland. gllllllllll
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:popcorn: IIRC, your team won 74 games last year and have not been to the playoffs since 2006. You're team is not exactly setting the bar very high these days. ####, haven't for a very long time.
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:popcorn: 1948
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oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good one!I'll take my last two decades over yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Good luck this year, you're gonna need it.

 
Tom Servo said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Bobcat10 said:
Doctor Detroit said:
This thread is 2 years old. I'd kill it and pretend I was a Pirates fan if I lived in Cleveland. gllllllllll
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:rolleyes: IIRC, your team won 74 games last year and have not been to the playoffs since 2006. You're team is not exactly setting the bar very high these days. ####, haven't for a very long time.
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:lmao: 1948
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:lmao: ELIMINATED IN THE FIRST ROUND!!!
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That's your response? Really? :lmao:
 
:P
Phillies say pitching prospect's need for surgery a surprise -- Indians Insiderby Paul Hoynes, Plain Dealer Reporter Thursday September 17, 2009, 11:22 PMOAKLAND, Calif. -- Benny Looper said the Phillies had no idea Jason Knapp needed surgery when they traded him to the Indians. "No, not at all," said Looper, Philadelphia's assistant general manager/player personnel. "If we had a clue of that, we wouldn't have put him in the deal. "There is always a gamble on young players, probably more so with young pitchers. If something pops up in an elbow or shoulder, a position player still has tools to help you." The Indians sent 2008 Cy Young winner Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco to the Phillies on July 29 for right-hander Carlos Carrasco, catcher Lou Marson, infielder Jason Donald and Knapp. Carrasco and Marson are finishing the season with the Indians, while Donald missed a big-league call up because of a sore back that put him on the disabled list at Class AAA Columbus. Knapp had surgery Tuesday to remove loose bodies from his right shoulder. The Indians say the surgery went well, but Lonnie Soloff, the Indians' head athletic trainer, has not been with the team to give a detailed account. When the Indians made the trade, Knapp was on the disabled list with what was believed to be biceps tendinitis in his right shoulder. "We weren't overly concerned about his injury," Looper said. "We knew he was on the disabled list, and we wanted to get him back out pitching." Knapp came off the disabled list after the trade and made four starts for the Indians at Class A Lake County. When the shoulder pain persisted, the Indians did their own examination and found the loose bodies were probably causing the biceps tendinitis and had to be removed. When Looper found out that Knapp, 19, would need surgery, he said he "hated it." "I hate it for the Indians, but more than anything I hate it for Jason," Looper said. "I hope he can come back and is the player the Indians and Phillies thought he would be." The Indians considered Knapp the key to the deal. They said they wouldn't have traded Lee without getting the 6-5, 235-pounder. Before the deal, Knapp struck out 123, walked 47 and allowed 73 hits in 97 innings at Class A Lakewood, N.J., for the Phillies. "We talked about a lot of our prospects in that deal," Looper said. "Jason had the best arm in our organization. He was one of a few players we hated to trade." When healthy, Looper said: "he's a big strong kid with an excellent arm. When we signed him, his breaking ball wasn't much, but he worked on it and he can really spin it now. He's a big guy with a power arm. He has great character and great makeup." The Indians say they don't think the Phillies pulled a fast one on them. "If we did, we would have filed a grievance," GM Mark Shapiro said. At worst, they believe the Phillies' medical staff may have made a mistake in diagnosing Knapp's injury because they were treating him for biceps tendinitis well before the trade. The Phillies also were reluctant to include him in the deal until late in the negotiations.
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Bobcat10 said:
Tom Servo said:
I'm taking my swings from Len Barker on 9/18.
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It was a blast. Totally awesome evening...got to park in the players lot, dress in the visitors clubhouse, the whole enchalata. They even made us do warm-up exercises. We got 5 swings against the BP pitcher and then 3 against Len. LB is a big man; I stand 6'2" 260 and he dwarfs me by 3-4 inches. I got my picture taken with him. :lmao:

My swings against the BP pitcher weren't much; I did better against LB. Three solid hits out of the infield and one small dribbler (he gave me an extra swing) between the mound and first. He gave me a :lmao: on my way out of the cage.

I think I heard they're doing it again next year. For $125 you gotta do it. Seriously.

 
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Good timing by Shapiro and the Dolan's, too much doom and gloom right now with the Browns. Cleveland sports fans needed something to smile about.

 
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