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I guess Mujica isn't the answer at closer eitheroof
Sarcasm? I hope? Mujica has been awful, why Wedge put him in there with a 3 run lead in the 9th is way over my head. Yea, the alternatives aren't good either but Mujica has been just horrible.
From June 28th thru July 28th, he gave up 5 hits and no ER in about 12 innings out of the pen. There were rumblings that if he could keep it going, he could be in the closer mix for the rest of the season and maybe next year. He's only 24 years old and he has good stuff -- his sinker was money during that stretch noted above. Now, two out of the last three outings he's gotten shelled like he did on June 14th. I think there is still promise here, whether it be back end or middle relief, as he's given up 12 of his 16 ERs this year during 3 of about 20 appearances.
 
I guess Mujica isn't the answer at closer eitheroof
Sarcasm? I hope? Mujica has been awful, why Wedge put him in there with a 3 run lead in the 9th is way over my head. Yea, the alternatives aren't good either but Mujica has been just horrible.
From June 28th thru July 28th, he gave up 5 hits and no ER in about 12 innings out of the pen. There were rumblings that if he could keep it going, he could be in the closer mix for the rest of the season and maybe next year. He's only 24 years old and he has good stuff -- his sinker was money during that stretch noted above. Now, two out of the last three outings he's gotten shelled like he did on June 14th. I think there is still promise here, whether it be back end or middle relief, as he's given up 12 of his 16 ERs this year during 3 of about 20 appearances.
Must have been watching him at the wrong times, a skim through his 3 year stats supports your case too. Seems like everytime I've watched him pitch he's either imploded or been hit real hard but not been beat up in the stat column.
 
Wade, Bobcat, Tecumseh, etc. come chant along with me...

CLIFF FOR CY!!!!

Now 17-2 on the season... :wall:

 
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Rehab information

Indians DH Travis Hafner (weak right shoulder) and 2B Josh Barfield (middle finger surgery, left hand) will start injury rehab assignments at Triple-A Buffalo on Monday. ... C Victor Martinez (right elbow surgery) hit a home run as the DH at Double-A Akron on Sunday and will transfer his rehab work to Buffalo on Tuesday.
 
Anybody notice CC is now 8-0 with a 1.60 ERA and 5 CGs? :mellow:
I'm torn by this.....he's completely carrying the 2nd place fantasy team that was 250pts behind me 4-6 weeks ago that is now right on my ###. But I'm glad for him. Just tone it down a bit, big man.
 
So glad that Mike Hargrove was inducted into the Tribe Hall of Fame. He's a class act who has lived in the area since 1980, even after he was fired in 1999 and then managed in Baltimore and Seattle. In seven seasons with the Tribe, he was a .292 hitter on some very awful teams. As a manager, he is the only man to take the Indians to a pair of World Series appearances. Like Al Lopez in the 1950s, the job he did for the Tribe will never truly be appreciated.

AGREED. He'll be appreciated in this corner. :thumbup:

It's encouraging to see what infielder Asdrubal Cabrera has done since returning to the Tribe from Class AAA Buffalo, N.Y., after the All-Star break. He's hitting .290 in that span with a .385 on-base percentage and .841 OPS. (That's on-base percentage plus slugging percentage, and anything over .800 is excellent, especially for a middle infielder.) His defense is superb. I'd still love to see him as a regular shortstop with Jhonny Peralta moving to third in 2009. Cabrera batted only .184 before being sent to Buffalo in June. In 80 games between second and short, Cabrera has only five errors. His internal stats (kept by the Tribe) rank him near Gold Glove-caliber, especially at second base.

Yes, Peralta at third, because it's not happening for Andy Marte. He has been the regular third baseman since the All-Star break and is batting .188 in that span. In 164 at-bats this season, he has only 10 extra-base hits (three home runs) and 10 RBI. On the year, his on-base percentage is .230. In August, he's batting only .190, so it's not like he's figuring it out. Most alarming, the right-handed batter is at .157 vs. right-handed pitchers. It's official: We got screwed on the Coco Crisp trade. :P

Outfielder Ben Francisco is batting .305 vs. righties. The right-handed hitter is batting .345 in August. For his major-league career, he is a .286 hitter with 15 homers, 57 RBI and 30 doubles in 406 at-bats, and a solid .814 OPS. He is a keeper. While he won't hit a ton of homers, he hits doubles and is improving in the outfield. The strange thing is how he has hit worse vs. lefties (.238 in 2008) for most of his pro career.

It seemed like utter desperation when manager Eric Wedge moved Peralta into the cleanup spot, but he's been hitting .326 (59-of-181 with eight homers, 35 RBI) with a .957 OPS. Consider that Peralta was only a .221 hitter in 151 at-bats as a fifth batter this season. With 19 home runs and 76 RBI, he's headed to a career year.

Casey Blake (.288, four homers, 12 RBI in 80 at-bats) is playing well for the Los Angeles Dodgers. I was concerned that he'd press -- a problem for him in the past -- after the trade. But he has been an impact player for the Dodgers.

Which brings us to Carlos Santana, picked up from the Dodgers in the Blake deal. At Class A Kinston, N.C., he's batting .361 (1.043 OPS) with four homers and 11 RBI in 72 at-batsd. He was hitting .323 with 14 home runs and 96 RBI (.993 OPS) in the Class A California League before the trade. The switch-hitter looks like a natural. The other player in the deal, John Meloan, has a 3.86 ERA in 91/3 innings at Buffalo. He has been switched from starting to the bullpen, where had he worked before this season. A year ago, he was a combined 7-2 with a 2.03 ERA and 20 saves between Class AA and AAA, fanning 91 in 67 innings.

Don't know if Jensen Lewis will be the closer in 2009, it's just nice to see someone save a few games now. Lewis has a 2.25 ERA in 16 innings since the All-Star break and is 3-of-4 in save opportunities. If nothing else, he looks more like the guy who really helped the Tribe in middle relief in the second half of 2007. A good sign is lefties (.270) and righties (.267) are hitting about the same, a key because a right-handed closer has to be able to deal with lefty hitters.

The Jeff Weaver experiment at Buffalo is going nowhere as he has a 7.11 ERA. But Aaron Laffey is 2-0 with a 1.80 ERA in 20 innings since being sent back to Buffalo. So he can return to the Tribe soon, if needed.
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Yes, Peralta at third, because it's not happening for Andy Marte. He has been the regular third baseman since the All-Star break and is batting .188 in that span. In 164 at-bats this season, he has only 10 extra-base hits (three home runs) and 10 RBI. On the year, his on-base percentage is .230. In August, he's batting only .190, so it's not like he's figuring it out. Most alarming, the right-handed batter is at .157 vs. right-handed pitchers. It's official: We got screwed on the Coco Crisp trade. :shrug:
Terry Pluto's blog today
Completely disagree with your comment here. Not only would the Sox trade Coco for Kelly straight up right now (and maybe even last year), we hardly need the Coco that's been playing in Fenway the past three years. Is Marte a bust? Hell yes, but the trade was not Marte for Coco. I'll take Kelly over Coco any day of the week. The worst thing Marte did was give everyone a feeling we had our 3B of the future, while we held the fort down with Blake, when we still needed to be looking for a 3B (or keeping one in regards to KK).

 
Yes, Peralta at third, because it's not happening for Andy Marte. He has been the regular third baseman since the All-Star break and is batting .188 in that span. In 164 at-bats this season, he has only 10 extra-base hits (three home runs) and 10 RBI. On the year, his on-base percentage is .230. In August, he's batting only .190, so it's not like he's figuring it out. Most alarming, the right-handed batter is at .157 vs. right-handed pitchers. It's official: We got screwed on the Coco Crisp trade. :unsure:
Terry Pluto's blog today
Completely disagree with your comment here. Not only would the Sox trade Coco for Kelly straight up right now (and maybe even last year), we hardly need the Coco that's been playing in Fenway the past three years. Is Marte a bust? Hell yes, but the trade was not Marte for Coco. I'll take Kelly over Coco any day of the week. The worst thing Marte did was give everyone a feeling we had our 3B of the future, while we held the fort down with Blake, when we still needed to be looking for a 3B (or keeping one in regards to KK).
The bolded part I will completely agree with. The way I understood the trade was that Shoppach was the "throw in" and the focus was Marte. Now, I will allow that my 40+ memory may not be what it was. :shock: However, your point about Marte is quite valid.
 
Yes, Peralta at third, because it's not happening for Andy Marte. He has been the regular third baseman since the All-Star break and is batting .188 in that span. In 164 at-bats this season, he has only 10 extra-base hits (three home runs) and 10 RBI. On the year, his on-base percentage is .230. In August, he's batting only .190, so it's not like he's figuring it out. Most alarming, the right-handed batter is at .157 vs. right-handed pitchers. It's official: We got screwed on the Coco Crisp trade. :D
Terry Pluto's blog today
Completely disagree with your comment here. Not only would the Sox trade Coco for Kelly straight up right now (and maybe even last year), we hardly need the Coco that's been playing in Fenway the past three years. Is Marte a bust? Hell yes, but the trade was not Marte for Coco. I'll take Kelly over Coco any day of the week. The worst thing Marte did was give everyone a feeling we had our 3B of the future, while we held the fort down with Blake, when we still needed to be looking for a 3B (or keeping one in regards to KK).
The bolded part I will completely agree with. The way I understood the trade was that Shoppach was the "throw in" and the focus was Marte. Now, I will allow that my 40+ memory may not be what it was. :lmao: However, your point about Marte is quite valid.
Throw in or not, the trade worked out in the end IMO, therefore I can't label it as a bust trade or us getting screw jobbed. Actually, Shoppach was a pretty good prospect with Boston three years ago and I recall Sox homers at the time of the trade on here saying they wish they had kept him. To me, throw ins are organization depth players, sometimes a bit older of a minor leaguer or very low upside guys. Shoppach always projected to the majors and had good upside.

 
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ESPN article

From the article and after yesterday's win...

Best Win Pct.Single season, min. 20 decisions (since 1900)*PITCHER TEAM WIN % W-L Greg Maddux '95 Braves .905 19-2 Randy Johnson '95 Mariners .900 18-2 Cliff Lee '08 Indians .900 18-2Ron Guidry '78 Yankees .893 25-3 Lefty Grove '31 A's .886 31-4 Preacher Roe '51 Dodgers .880 22-3Other highlights prior to yesterday's start:• An AL-best 17 wins and 2.43 ERA

• The first Indians left-handed pitcher to start an All-Star Game

• 10 times Lee has worked at least eight innings

• .651 career winning percentage

• 1.30 walks allowed per nine innings pitched (an AL-best)

• 5.58 strikeout-walk ratio (best in the AL)

 
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Nice sweep of the Royals yesterday. :thumbup: Maybe we can rally and finish 3rd. With six more against the Motor City Kitties, we could do it.

BTW, Eric Kuselias and Mike Golic this morning both agree: Cliff Lee for Cy Young. :thumbup: :thumbup:

 
Martinez close with Pronk & Barfield close behind

DETROIT -- Travis Hafner and Josh Barfield won't rejoin the Indians until September. Victor Martinez, who caught nine innings Tuesday for Class AAA Buffalo and went 2-for-4, could rejoin the club this weekend against Seattle at Progressive Field.

"There's still a chance Victor will be brought back before September," said manager Eric Wedge. "It will probably be September for the other two guys."

Wedge hasn't given himself much leeway with Martinez. Big league rosters expand Monday, Sept. 1.

Lonnie Soloff, the Indians' head athletic trainer, gave an update on the injured Indians.

Martinez (right elbow surgery): After catching Tuesday, Martinez DH'd Wednesday. He's recovering from surgery on his right elbow and has reported no problems throwing or hitting.

Barfield (left middle finger surgery): He's playing consecutive games and seems fully recovered from surgery on his left middle finger.

Hafner (strained right shoulder): He's played four games at Buffalo, but missed his third straight game Wednesday and isn't expected to play again until Thursday after developing soreness in his right shoulder.

"Haf's rehab pace has slowed," said Soloff. "He played every other day for a week or so. It was his thought that he could use more time developing his endurance by working in the cage and progressing through batting practice as opposed to game situations."

Soloff said the soreness stems from Hafner doing his early work at Buffalo, sitting for two hours, and playing the game.

"It's nothing that is concerning for us or Hafner at this point," said Soloff, who reasserted he believes Hafner will be able to play in September.

"Our goal for Hafner and Victor is to have their injuries behind them so we can go into the off-season with a clear vision for next year," said Wedge.

Matt LaPorta (concussion): He's been cleared to play Friday for Class AA Akron after being examined by a neurosurgeon and vascular specialist at Cleveland Clinic on Wednesday. LaPorta suffered a concussion after being hit in the head by a pitch during the Olympics.

LaPorta will work out Thursday and play Friday.

Adam Miller (surgery right middle finger): Miller threw a bullpen session in Winter Haven, Fla., recently. He'll come to Cleveland for a workout and checkup Tuesday before joining Akron. He'll throw a simulated game on Sept. 5 and eventually go to the Arizona Instructional League in Goodyear, Ariz.

"Depending on how that goes, he might play winter ball somewhere," said Soloff.
 
I was listening to Rick & Matt the other night talk about the year, and thinking a little more, I compiled a list of stuff that went down:

#1 starter (CC) - traded

#2 starter (Carmona) - hurt for a month or so

#4 starter (Westbrook) - blew out arm & out until sometime in 2009

#5 starter (Byrd) - traded

Closer (JoBo) - lived on the DL then stunk out loud and got released, ending up in Boston

bullpen - absolute disaster, but especially Raffy Right who had to get called out by Wedge for his unwillingness to pitch inside

#3 hitter & catcher (VMart) - on DL for most of the season

#4 hitter & DH (Pronk) - ditto

2B (Barfield & Cabrera) - Barfield got hurt & ACab wasn't hitting & opened the door for Carroll to get some PT

SS (Peralta) - he had a few yips on D but surprisingly has worked well in the 4 hole

3B (Blake) - traded

new 3B (Marte) - hitting .190-something for August last I saw

1B (Garko) - inconsistent at the plate and had to get jerked from a game for not hustling

Considering all of that, I'll give Wedge and the FO credit for not letting this team quit. If they can hold on to 3rd place, that will say something IMO.

 
Huge congrats to Lee for win number 20.

The fact that he did it in dominating fashion against the first place team makes it that much sweeter.

 
That Seattle series really stunk things up. After taking the first two from the Sox with four more to go, we could have amazingly been back in the mix.

 
That Seattle series really stunk things up. After taking the first two from the Sox with four more to go, we could have amazingly been back in the mix.
We could really have been in the mix if we had only gone 5-5 instead of a 10 game losing streak.
 
Shapiro keeping IF options open for 2009

BALTIMORE -- It's generally assumed that the Indians will be looking for a third baseman this winter to replace Andy Marte, who has done little to keep the job since Casey Blake was traded to the Dodgers on July 26.

GM Mark Shapiro begs to differ.

He lists the Indians' two biggest needs as a closer and an infielder. No surprise there, but there is a surprise about where that new infielder could play next year.

"The only thing written in stone is that Grady Sizemore will be in center field and Travis Hafner will be at DH," said Shapiro.

Shapiro will be looking for a run-producing infielder at first, second or third base. Depending on who they acquire and where he plays, it could involve a shift in positions that takes Jhonny Peralta out of the shortstop spot. If that's the case, it would allow Asdrubal Cabrera to slide from second to short.

Instead of concentrating on one position, Shapiro believes looking for an infielder at first, second or third allows him to find the best value through trade or free agency. Should the Indians narrow their focus to one position and find themselves in a bidding contest with a big market team, experience has shown them they won't sign the player.

Shapiro will take a look at the available outfielders, but he's willing to go into next season with a blend of the current outfielders -- Sizemore, Ben Francisco, Shin-Soo Choo, Franklin Gutierrez and David Dellucci. Prospects Matt LaPorta and Trevor Crowe are in the pipeline.

"We have a lot of flexibility in the infield," said Shapiro.

Ryan Garko and Victor Martinez can play first. The emergence of catcher Kelly Shoppach might mean more playing time at first next year for Martinez.

Cabrera, Jamey Carroll and Josh Barfield are at second. Barfield appears to be blocked by Cabrera and Carroll, but if Cabrera moved to short, perhaps Barfield would have a chance to win his old job back.

Peralta and Cabrera should be able to cover short.

Third base is the biggest hole. Marte is out of options and Peralta hasn't played third since the minors.
You mean Marte doesn't get run out of town on a rail?? :confused: ;) :goodposting:
 
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Nice to see they brought back Bruce Drennan & Joe Tait to do the late game. :unsure:

Too bad the Tribe played like they did when BD & JT were doing the games in the 80s. :rant:

 
Nice to see they brought back Bruce Drennan & Joe Tait to do the late game. :shock: Too bad the Tribe played like they did when BD & JT were doing the games in the 80s. <_<
It really would have been cool to have Rocco Scotti sing the National Anthem for that game. He's still in the area and still performs at 88 years old.
 

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