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***Official Darren McFadden Thread*** (1 Viewer)

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Burning Sensation

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The Raiders host the 49ers in what will be McFaddens 1st NFL game. I am looking for him to get off to a great start. Maybe 8-10 carries for 75+ yards, including breaking a long one. Throw in a couple catches for 30 or so yards. I will be looking to see how he does with pass protection, it could cost him some PT this year.

There was some very heated debate about Mcfadden this year, and im sure no matter what happens tonight, there will be some "i told you so's" one way or the other. I see Tim Hightower went from a 4th round rookie pick to a first rounder after just 5 carries last night, and he didnt even rush for 40 yards. I'm sure whatever happens, it will be blown out of proportion either way. Doesnt matter though, this is the preseason game i am looking forward to the most this week, and cant wait to see how Dmac looks against NFL competition.

So, are you on the bandwagon, or not!?!?!?

 
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I can't wait for him to break a long one but I hope he does it (at least once) in whatever the last game is before labor day weekend so people way overpay for him :popcorn:

 
Burning Sensation said:
So, are you on the bandwagon, or not!?!?!?
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:shrug: The official EBF company line regarding Darren McFadden:- He's a great athlete who will break some long runs. He may even have multiple 1,000 rushing seasons, but...- He will never be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.- He doesn't have the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.- When the dust settles on his career, he will be viewed as anything ranging from a mild disappointment to a major bust. :popcorn:
 
BigRed said:
I can't wait for him to break a long one but I hope he does it (at least once) in whatever the last game is before labor day weekend so people way overpay for him :thumbup:
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AD had an awesome run in a preseson game last year. Dont remember who it was against, but he smoked a LB, and then finished the run by running over a DB.. I cant lie, that play alone crossed my mind when i was on the clock at the 2.7 spot in my main redraft league. I took him, and as it turned out, i am glad i did. Not that i am saying drafting a player based on a preseason play is a good idea, but sometimes it works out.
 
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Very excited about runDMC, but even more interested in the how the starting Oline looks. Tom Cable year two.

 
Wish I could watch this game right now. The Raiders are the most intriguing team to keep on an eye on this preseason.

 
I see Fargas got the start, which i was guessing would happen. Which only means when Mcfadden rips it up, it wont matter to the haters, because it was against the 2nd stringers. Hopefully he wil get a chance to run behind the starting oline.

 
Listening to the game on the bone, sound like he's getting nice yardage and hasn't really taken it to the outside yet. If he can establish himself as a descent inside runner this kid is going to be real good.

 
Chachi said:
Listening to the game on the bone, sound like he's getting nice yardage and hasn't really taken it to the outside yet. If he can establish himself as a descent inside runner this kid is going to be real good.
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Exactly, not many are doubting his ability to break the long one, its getting the tough 3-4 yards up the middle that people are questioning. I personally am more concerned about his pass blocking at this point.
 
I'll reiterate what I said the Raider thread:

We never saw him in space, stretching his legs, or in the passing game. But what we did see was encouraging. Not exciting, necessarily, but encouraging. We saw him run it inside, and run hard. Following his blocks, and not dancing. Fighting through tacklers. I can honestly say that in the 8 or so carries he had, I never saw his legs go 'dead on contact'. Well, he did get submarined once.

He had one nice pitch to the outside, where he blew by the front 7. But he really showed his speed on the draw play they ran. He took one step to the right, grabbed the ball, and he shot through the line. He gets to top speed real, real fast.

His best friend on the team is gonna be Oren O'Neill, one of the Raiders fullbacks. Remember that name. He's not even starting, Griffith is, but O'Neill was absolutely destroying linebackers tonight as a lead blocker. He might be too good to keep on the bench.

 
don't want to jinx the man, but he's going to be something special..

shades of Eric Dickerson..

 
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So what's the deal here in Oakland?

Is McFadden going to get the majority of the carries this year?

Will they just push Fargas and Hart to the side?

Or is this full blown RBBC?

 
Looks like (at least for the start of the season) Fargas will be the starter and get most of the carries (they still consider him 1000 yd back this season)

They want to use Mcfadden the way NO uses Bush all over the field etc...

 
gasFace said:
Looks like (at least for the start of the season) Fargas will be the starter and get most of the carries (they still consider him 1000 yd back this season)They want to use Mcfadden the way NO uses Bush all over the field etc...
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If this is the case, then he is being extremely overvalued in the mock drafts i have been participating in.
 
massraider said:
I'll reiterate what I said the Raider thread:

We never saw him in space, stretching his legs, or in the passing game. But what we did see was encouraging. Not exciting, necessarily, but encouraging. We saw him run it inside, and run hard. Following his blocks, and not dancing. Fighting through tacklers. I can honestly say that in the 8 or so carries he had, I never saw his legs go 'dead on contact'. Well, he did get submarined once.

He had one nice pitch to the outside, where he blew by the front 7. But he really showed his speed on the draw play they ran. He took one step to the right, grabbed the ball, and he shot through the line. He gets to top speed real, real fast.

His best friend on the team is gonna be Oren O'Neill, one of the Raiders fullbacks. Remember that name. He's not even starting, Griffith is, but O'Neill was absolutely destroying linebackers tonight as a lead blocker. He might be too good to keep on the bench.
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If your a believer that is a true statement. If your a doubter (As I am) your interest is peaked. A great performance by any other drafted back, underwhelming for the hype that is DMAC. Curiously resembles the man love for Reggie Bush two years ago.Like Ive stated if he showed a little I would come to the train station to watch. I'm at the "gate".

I'm starting to believe that Cedric Benson could be a stud behind that O-Line.

Gotta also state I did not see any dead leg action going on, he kept them churning. He had better learn to get his pads lower or he is going to get his head removed from his body. Solid effort and Michael Bush looked outstanding.

 
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Since I've made it pretty clear that I think McFadden needed a lot of work on certain techniques as a runner based on his college film, I thought I'd give my take on a very limited sample of carries last night.

First, I'm not sure I agreed with the player analyst from the NFL.com highlight webcast when he talked about McFadden. He talked about the dead legs issue Mike Mayock discussed (as I did, too) on the NFL Network back in December. The analyst used one play as an example of disputing the criticism of this dead legs point. It showed McFadden keeping his legs churning during the second highlight on the clip, but what's interesting is that the analyst failed to point out that McFadden wasn't wrapped up by any 49er on the play. He had a huge hole and kept his legs churning while running up the back of an o-lineman and then used a good stiff arm to get ride of the defender on his left side. Once he was wrapped up, he did a good job of trying to turn his body away from the tackle to get extra yards, but he didn't really plow forward and move the pile and that's the kind of leg churn we haven't seen from him. When he was hit head-on, he was knocked side ways or fell flat to the ground. I also think the analyst had AD on the mind (he called McFadden, "Adrian"). Even on this run, he got 4 yards before he even encountered a defender.

I was mostly impressed with the Raiders line. They opened some really nice holes. Two things that McFadden did that looked better now than on the college film were his ball protection and body lean. If he can continue to remain consistent with those two areas, he won't be as much of a boom-bust liability.

While there wasn't enough work to definitely say much about him, I think it's clear he, Fargas, Bush, or anyone else can gain 4-6 yards per carry up the middle with the kind of blocking they got. The fact that it shows he's been working on his technique makes him more promising, but his longest run was a six-yard gain and he really didn't show much after contact skills. So to me, the jury is still out.

I know it sounds like I'm hating on the guy to those that are excited about him and to an extent I probably am. I am impressed that he is carrying the ball better, but 6 carries isn't enough to see what he'll do compared to 10-15 carries after he's a little tired. Then we'll see if his technique improvements hold up or he gets tired and reverts back to his college tendencies. He is known as a worker, so it's a good sign for him. I just think we'd be equally excited about Fargas or Bush if they were running with that blocking...to me the jury is still out. If he's getting 15-18 carries for the first few weeks of the season and gaining 4-6 yards against better defensive play, I'll be more impressed.

 
Wildman said:
Since I've made it pretty clear that I think McFadden needed a lot of work on certain techniques as a runner based on his college film, I thought I'd give my take on a very limited sample of carries last night.

First, I'm not sure I agreed with the player analyst from the NFL.com highlight webcast when he talked about McFadden. He talked about the dead legs issue Mike Mayock discussed (as I did, too) on the NFL Network back in December. The analyst used one play as an example of disputing the criticism of this dead legs point. It showed McFadden keeping his legs churning during the second highlight on the clip, but what's interesting is that the analyst failed to point out that McFadden wasn't wrapped up by any 49er on the play. He had a huge hole and kept his legs churning while running up the back of an o-lineman and then used a good stiff arm to get ride of the defender on his left side. Once he was wrapped up, he did a good job of trying to turn his body away from the tackle to get extra yards, but he didn't really plow forward and move the pile and that's the kind of leg churn we haven't seen from him. When he was hit head-on, he was knocked side ways or fell flat to the ground. I also think the analyst had AD on the mind (he called McFadden, "Adrian"). Even on this run, he got 4 yards before he even encountered a defender.

I was mostly impressed with the Raiders line. They opened some really nice holes. Two things that McFadden did that looked better now than on the college film were his ball protection and body lean. If he can continue to remain consistent with those two areas, he won't be as much of a boom-bust liability.
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Re-watching the Highlights you have made a great Observation. It appeared that he could have walked through the line for 3 or 4 yards. This may have been the best landing spot for DMAC. If Oakland can do that against better teams then the 49ers the Raiders should be able to pull off 3000 yards rushing this season. I doubt it as the 49ers players looked like midgets against those guys.
 
Did he get a chance to do any pass blocking?

Like to hear that he was running hard between the tackles, although i didnt doubt his ability to do so.

He didnt break the long one like i thought, but not a bad first game. Cant wait to watch it tonight.

 
EBF said:
Burning Sensation said:
So, are you on the bandwagon, or not!?!?!?
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:lmao: The official EBF company line regarding Darren McFadden:- He's a great athlete who will break some long runs. He may even have multiple 1,000 rushing seasons, but...- He will never be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.- He doesn't have the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.- When the dust settles on his career, he will be viewed as anything ranging from a mild disappointment to a major bust. :coffee:
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Thanks Mayock. O' & you forgot your company line on Mendenhall:
EBF on Rashard Mendenhall:- He's a great athlete who will break some long runs over 150 yards. He will even have multiple 2,000 rushing seasons- He will be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.- He has the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.- When the dust settles on his career, he will be viewed as anything ranging from a legend to deity.
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sholditch said:
ran well between the tackles. already dispelling one of the main myths about this kid.
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I don't know about that. I watched his highlights on NFL.com. He looks fast and lean, but it was tough to judge him because most of his rushes were on inside plays where the blockers opened up a nice lane for him. This game didn't tell us much one way or another IMO.
 
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EBF on Rashard Mendenhall:- He's a great athlete who will break some long runs over 150 yards. He will even have multiple 2,000 rushing seasons- He will be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.- He has the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.- When the dust settles on his career, he will be viewed as anything ranging from a legend to deity.
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I'm really not THAT high on Mendenhall. I view him as a good talent in a great situation. I've never said he's a superstar waiting to happen. The only part of your statement that accurately reflects my views is the comment about body type.
 
EBF said:
Burning Sensation said:
So, are you on the bandwagon, or not!?!?!?
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:thumbup: The official EBF company line regarding Darren McFadden:- He's a great athlete who will break some long runs. He may even have multiple 1,000 rushing seasons, but...- He will never be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.- He doesn't have the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.- When the dust settles on his career, he will be viewed as anything ranging from a mild disappointment to a major bust. :thumbdown:
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Pretty safe predictions here. Let me ask you how many carries/touches would qualify him as a "workhorse back"? Also, I am high on Dmac, but i am cetainly not expecting the next LT. Its hard to make any comparisons to AD, as he only has a year under his belt. Too early to be putting him in a tier with LT.One more thing, i know you have Mendenall ranked higher than Mcfadden, but have you actually drafted him over Dmac in a rookie draft?
 
Wildman said:
Since I've made it pretty clear that I think McFadden needed a lot of work on certain techniques as a runner based on his college film, I thought I'd give my take on a very limited sample of carries last night.First, I'm not sure I agreed with the player analyst from the NFL.com highlight webcast when he talked about McFadden. He talked about the dead legs issue Mike Mayock discussed (as I did, too) on the NFL Network back in December. The analyst used one play as an example of disputing the criticism of this dead legs point. It showed McFadden keeping his legs churning during the second highlight on the clip, but what's interesting is that the analyst failed to point out that McFadden wasn't wrapped up by any 49er on the play. He had a huge hole and kept his legs churning while running up the back of an o-lineman and then used a good stiff arm to get ride of the defender on his left side. Once he was wrapped up, he did a good job of trying to turn his body away from the tackle to get extra yards, but he didn't really plow forward and move the pile and that's the kind of leg churn we haven't seen from him. When he was hit head-on, he was knocked side ways or fell flat to the ground. I also think the analyst had AD on the mind (he called McFadden, "Adrian"). Even on this run, he got 4 yards before he even encountered a defender.I was mostly impressed with the Raiders line. They opened some really nice holes. Two things that McFadden did that looked better now than on the college film were his ball protection and body lean. If he can continue to remain consistent with those two areas, he won't be as much of a boom-bust liability.While there wasn't enough work to definitely say much about him, I think it's clear he, Fargas, Bush, or anyone else can gain 4-6 yards per carry up the middle with the kind of blocking they got. The fact that it shows he's been working on his technique makes him more promising, but his longest run was a six-yard gain and he really didn't show much after contact skills. So to me, the jury is still out.I know it sounds like I'm hating on the guy to those that are excited about him and to an extent I probably am.
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I don't think you're hating on him, I think you make a good point about that play. It almost seemed like if he'd open his eyes, he'd just have moved to the left, and been left alone.My thing about watching him last night was it almost seemed like the Raiders went into the game last night JUST to dispell McFadden doubts. It was weird, everything was inside. And not just inside, but right off-center. We saw nothing from him in the passing game, meantime, we threw the ball to the fullback three times.What I came away from this game with was:1. He's no Reggie Bush when it comes to inside running. Decisive, hit the hole. One thing about McFadden, I think he's a "tough guy". I think he probably thinks he is a better inside runner than he actually is, and likes sticking it in there. Not just a track guy that wants to break everything outside. 2. He's also no Christian Okoye. I don't think he'll ever be their hammer. Which is fine. 3. I didn't see any magical moves, anything "special", aside from the speed, which was evident on even the inside stuff. I think his style is more Robert Smith han Barry Sanders.
 
EBF said:
- He will never be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.

- He doesn't have the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.
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I hate to break this to you but Mcfadden ran the ball 27 times a game against SEC teams last year and did not miss a game. In fact he never missed a game in college despite carrying a heavy workload against the best defenses in the nation. ADP on the other hand continually missed games in college and last season. Between the two of them ADP has far more doubts concerning his ability to carry the loan than Mcfadden does and it's not even close.

 
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Pretty safe predictions here. Let me ask you how many carries/touches would qualify him as a "workhorse back"?
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That's a difficult question. 275-300 touches seems like a pretty decent standard for a workhorse back. The guys who have sustained elite FF value over the past few years have usually hit that mark. If McFadden is going to become a bankable RB1 then he'll probably need to average at least 275 touches per 16 game season.
One more thing, i know you have Mendenall ranked higher than Mcfadden, but have you actually drafted him over Dmac in a rookie draft?
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I never had the chance. I can guarantee you that I would've if I did. I took Mendenhall at 2.01 in a new PPR dynasty (McFadden went 1.09) and I got him at 1.02 and 1.03 in two rookie drafts.
 
EBF said:
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EBF on Rashard Mendenhall:- He's a great athlete who will break some long runs over 150 yards. He will even have multiple 2,000 rushing seasons- He will be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.- He has the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.- When the dust settles on his career, he will be viewed as anything ranging from a legend to deity.
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I'm really not THAT high on Mendenhall. I view him as a good talent in a great situation. I've never said he's a superstar waiting to happen. The only part of your statement that accurately reflects my views is the comment about body type.
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Just havin' fun with ya. :lmao:
 
menobrown said:
EBF said:
- He will never be the elite ADP or LT type of back some of his supporters envision.

- He doesn't have the body type to be a workhorse back in the NFL.
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I hate to break this to you but Mcfadden ran the ball 27 times a game against SEC teams last year and did not miss a game. In fact he never missed a game in college despite carrying a heavy workload against the best defenses in the nation. ADP on the other hand continually missed games in college and last season. Between the two of them ADP has far more doubts concerning his ability to carry the loan than Mcfadden does and it's not even close.
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You're right about ADP, but is he or is he not considered a consesnsus top 3 dynasty RB?That's why I mention him as an elite back. Whether or not he can sustain his early success is another question entirely. I have concerns about that myself. Durability issues are the only reason why I strongly considered Lynch when I held the 1.01 rookie pick last year (I took ADP).

As for DMC, all I can say is that the difference between the SEC and the NFL is like night and day. With a few exceptions, every starter in the NFL is as good as the best players he faced in college. I know lots of teams in the SEC are loaded with future NFL talent, but even a stacked team like Florida or LSU probably only has a handful of guys on defense who will have solid NFL careers.

The NFL is like an all-star league featuring the best college players to come out in the last 6-10 years. Even lots of great SEC players have failed to translate their success to the higher arena.

 
I don't see anything similar between Peterson and McFadden except they both have elite speed. Their games are completely different and so are their bodies.

 
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