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Ditka Butkus said:
Hey all you Trump haters...Have you seen and laughed at  "All In The Family"?...If so, how can you be against a Trump Presidency...It would be 4 years of Archie Bunker.. and a bunch of Meatheads like you all...
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:lmao:

You don't even realize that we laughed at All In The Family because of Archie Bunker's ignorance.

Same reason we laugh at you and Trump.

 
rude classless thugs said:
From Kasich - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kasich-calls-on-trump-to-apologize-to-judge/article/2593083

Kasich calls on Trump to apologize to judge

Ohio Gov. John Kasich wants Donald Trump to apologize for the race-based criticism he directed at the presiding judge in a lawsuit regarding Trump University.

"Attacking judges based on their race &/or religion is another tactic that divides our country," Kasich tweeted. "More importantly, it is flat out wrong."
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He attacked him because he is a member of La Raza.

Of all the reasons he goes after people I would consider this one as legit.

 
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The Amazing Origins of the Trump University Scam


 

 
 


I want to tell you about an article that you simply must read. It's about Trump University. But it's a part of the story I at least was not at all familiar with - how what we now know as the Trump University real estate seminar scam grew out of a licensing deal Trump struck with one of the most notorious late night informercial get-rich-quick scammers of the early aughts. The article was published at the end of April in Ars Technica. Even though Ars is widely read and extremely well respected, it's in the tech and science rather than the news and politics space. So that may account for what seems like relatively little discussion of this aspect of the story.

In any case, here's the gist.
Back in the years before the financial crash there was a shady outfit called 'National Grants Conferences' created by the husband and wife team Mike and Irene Milin. It was your standard late night informercial scam hawking a mix of "free government money" there for the taking and quick real estate riches. Unsurprisingly the Milins were frequently in trouble with states' attorneys general trying to kicking fraudsters out of their states.

So far no big surprise.

But according to the article, it was from the Milins that Trump got the idea for what became Trump University. And the case the authors make is pretty convincing. 'Trump University' actually predated the licensing deal Trump struck with the Milins by a year. But it was from the Milins that Trump first got and then refined the ideas behind the Trump University real estate seminars that are now the target of these lawsuits.

From the article ...


The booming industry of real estate investment seminar gurus—who by the early 2000s numbered in the dozens—made it clear that you could make big money selling a roomful of people at a time on the dream of easy riches. But seminar work itself was complex, ranging from managing teams of traveling crew members to keeping sales pitches just murky enough that law enforcement wouldn't butt in.


Trump wanted a piece of the action, so he struck a licensing deal with the Milins in 2006. The couple created the “Trump Institute,” using much of the same pitch material and some of the same pitchmen.

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The charges soon went even higher. In the spring of 2006, Wiseman and fellow NGC pitchman Saen Higgins began hawking Trump Institute, which promised to reveal the business mogul’s tools for real estate investing and entrepreneurship. (Wiseman didn't return messages asking for comment. Higgins couldn’t be reached.)

That June, we saw Higgins address a crowd eager to learn Donald Trump’s money-making secrets. Much of the pitch, delivered in San Diego, was recycled NGC material, including his telling of Wiseman's Utah grants story. The remainder was an extended riff on Donald Trump’s real estate acumen.

Though there were many similarities between the NGC and Trump Institute pitches, one thing had changed: the price. With the Trump name, membership had increased to $1,399.





Any more I could tell you would just recapitulate the fascinating detail of the Ars story. So just read the whole piece. It's long but it's fascinating. You'll be amazed that Trump University is even sleazier than you'd imagined.
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Ditka Butkus said:
Hey all you Trump haters...Have you seen and laughed at  "All In The Family"?...If so, how can you be against a Trump Presidency...It would be 4 years of Archie Bunker.. and a bunch of Meatheads like you all...
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A lot of people laughed at "Dumb and Dumber", too.  That still doesn't mean we want Trump to be President.

 
rude classless thugs said:
From Kasich - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kasich-calls-on-trump-to-apologize-to-judge/article/2593083

Kasich calls on Trump to apologize to judge

Ohio Gov. John Kasich wants Donald Trump to apologize for the race-based criticism he directed at the presiding judge in a lawsuit regarding Trump University.

"Attacking judges based on their race &/or religion is another tactic that divides our country," Kasich tweeted. "More importantly, it is flat out wrong."
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Too late to make this guy the nominee?

 
jonessed said:
He attacked him because he is a member of La Raza.

Of all the reasons he goes after people I would consider this one as legit.
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You realize its not that "la Raza" right?

This has been gone over multiple times now.

And no, he attacked him because of his mexican heritage and doubled down with talk about muslims too.

 
Rubio also weighs in. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/marco-rubio-on-donald-trumps-attack-on-judge-this-man-is-an-american/2280490?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Marco Rubio on Donald Trump's attack on judge: 'This man is an American'

“It’s wrong,” Marco Rubio said Monday of Donald Trump’s comments about an American-born judge with Mexican heritage who is overseeing a suit into Trump University.

Rubio, who had a sit-down interview with WFTV, provides another prominent Republican voice against Trump’s remarks, widely seen as racist.

"I think it's wrong," Rubio said. "He needs to stop saying it.”

“I don't think it reflects well on the Republican Party. I don't think it reflects well on us as a nation,” Rubio said according to tweets from reporter Christopher Heath. “This man is an American.”

 
sho nuff said:
You realize its not that "la Raza" right?

This has been gone over multiple times now.

And no, he attacked him because of his mexican heritage and doubled down with talk about muslims too.
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I don't care if he's a member of a racist organization, a member of an organization that associates with racist organizations, or a member of an organization that likes racist names.  They are all a good reason to be critical of a judge.

 
jonessed said:
I don't care if he's a member of a racist organization, a member of an organization that associates with racist organizations, or a member of an organization that likes racist names.  They are all a good reason to be critical of a judge.
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Because he is a member of the Latino Bar Association?

Ooof.

 
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sho nuff said:
Because he is a member of the Latino Bar Association?

Ooof.
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The amazing part is that even if this was a valid reason to be critical of a judge (it's not, duh), it still doesn't provide any kind of defense for Trump's moronic statements. As you already pointed out and jonessed conveniently ignored, Trump was critical of the judge because he's "Mexican," not simply because of his membership in a particular group.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Hey all you Trump haters...Have you seen and laughed at  "All In The Family"?...If so, how can you be against a Trump Presidency...It would be 4 years of Archie Bunker.. and a bunch of Meatheads like you all...
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This is one of the best pieces of unintentional comedy I've ever read.

 
jonessed said:
It's called La Raza Lawyer's Association.  If it was called the Latino Bar Association I wouldn't see an issue.
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I think everyone understands that the bar association is not La Raza Unida. However, La Raza does mean "the race" in Spanish. A very unfortunate name considering La Raza Unida has been around since 1969 and the La Raza Lawyer's Association was formed in 1977. The lawyers had to be aware of the political group.

 
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Trump said a judge couldn't do his job properly because he's "Mexican."  He then said he also wondered if a Muslim would be able to do the job properly.  You really don't have to break down the etymology of the name of a Hispanic bar association to figure out that Trump is a bigoted POS.

 
Let's just pretend that this judge was the Grand Dragon of the La Raza Unida..  And that Trump didn't destroy this argument by flatly saying Mexicans and Muslims judges would have a conflict of interest or bias against him. 

1.  What has the La Raza Unida done that is so nefarious
2.  What specifically has Curiel done to aid, assist or promote said nefarious activity.
3.  What about the nefarious activity would preclude Curiel from officiating a fraud case against a get rich quick university?

 
tone1oc said:
Let's just pretend that this judge was the Grand Dragon of the La Raza Unida..  And that Trump didn't destroy this argument by flatly saying Mexicans and Muslims judges would have a conflict of interest or bias against him. 

1.  What has the La Raza Unida done that is so nefarious
2.  What specifically has Curiel done to aid, assist or promote said nefarious activity.
3.  What about the nefarious activity would preclude Curiel from officiating a fraud case against a get rich quick university?
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He's gonna build a wall man!

 
tone1oc said:
Let's just pretend that this judge was the Grand Dragon of the La Raza Unida..  And that Trump didn't destroy this argument by flatly saying Mexicans and Muslims judges would have a conflict of interest or bias against him. 

1.  What has the La Raza Unida done that is so nefarious
2.  What specifically has Curiel done to aid, assist or promote said nefarious activity.
3.  What about the nefarious activity would preclude Curiel from officiating a fraud case against a get rich quick university?
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4.  What specifically has Curiel done as judge in this case that is unfair, and how does it relate to his membership with La Raza?
5.  Why hasn't Trump or his legal team filed motions for reclusion or to "appeal" (for lack of a better word) the actions that were so unfair?

 
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All of this judge / race stuff is really just a sideshow. It's blindingly obvious that Trump is a bigot, and anyone who doesn't see that just doesn't want to, or is so far gone as to not be worth have a discussion with. I'd much rather discuss his "policies" such as they are. I'd love to hear about how threatening default on our national debt is anything other than a complete disaster waiting to happen. Or a defense of his foreign policy positions.

 
timschochet said:
Hey give Higgs some credit: at least he continues to be in this thread defending his man. 

What happened to the rest of the Trump fans? Suddenly they're all in seclusion. 
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Honestly he often makes better arguments than Trump and his spinmasters make for Trump's expanding collection of gaffes, bizarre views, etc.

 
The funny part about all this IMO is that Trump is basically admitting that he constantly trashes Mexicans and Muslims, all while he and his supporters try and convince everyone that "Mexicans love him".

If Mexicans "love" you, why would it be a problem to have a Mexican judge again?

Now for the sad part:

People don't seem to realize how incredibly dumb these statements are, and dangerous when spoken by the Republican nominee for POTUS.

By Trump's logic if someone gets a judge they don't want they can go on a couple of racists rants and then try and get the judge removed because of racial bias.

It's all just so crazy.

 
Skoo said:
The funny part about all this IMO is that Trump is basically admitting that he constantly trashes Mexicans and Muslims, all while he and his supporters try and convince everyone that "Mexicans love him".

If Mexicans "love" you, why would it be a problem to have a Mexican judge again?

Now for the sad part:

People don't seem to realize how incredibly dumb these statements are, and dangerous when spoken by the Republican nominee for POTUS.

By Trump's logic if someone gets a judge they don't want they can go on a couple of racists rants and then try and get the judge removed because of racial bias.

It's all just so crazy.
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Just like Roger, he's a crazy little kid!

 
Coeur de Lion said:
All of this judge / race stuff is really just a sideshow. It's blindingly obvious that Trump is a bigot, and anyone who doesn't see that just doesn't want to, or is so far gone as to not be worth have a discussion with. I'd much rather discuss his "policies" such as they are. I'd love to hear about how threatening default on our national debt is anything other than a complete disaster waiting to happen. Or a defense of his foreign policy positions.
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Trump has made the judge issue a sideshow because he knows being called a racist is better than people calling him a conman over Trump University.

 
cstu said:
Trump has made the judge issue a sideshow because he knows being called a racist is better than people calling him a conman over Trump University.
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Even that's a sidebar IMO. Again, it's absolutely apparent that he's a slimy self-absorbed POS. His actual attempts at serious policy positions are far more damning IMO.

 
cstu said:
Trump has made the judge issue a sideshow because he knows being called a racist is better than people calling him a conman over Trump University.
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His thinking is all screwed up.

In that Msnbc piece he supposedly has told people he is not backing up on Curiel because he will appear weak.

And yeah he'd rather look like a racist than concede the case is going badly because yeah the facts stink for him and his lawyers. Just like he blames the reporters for, you know, reporting.

But what may be worse for me besides all of that, whether its deflection or true racism, it's that he actually has a problem with courts and reporters and opponents who do not show him respect. He says that so often, like a mantra, that he has been treated 'disrespectfully.' (Or that he hasn't been treated 'fairly'). It's a huge, serious problem if that is really the case because then you have a president who makes policy determinations and statements based on how people view him and treat him, whether they oppose him or support him. That's really un-American.

 
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cstu said:
Trump has made the judge issue a sideshow because he knows being called a racist is better than people calling him a conman over Trump University.
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Does he do this intentionally or can he not help himself? I'm thinking here he is just being a bigot.

I am slowly coming back to thinking he is going to get crushed in the general election, have been wrong all along with him though.

He is so out of his league for this job and is so apparent.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Trump said a judge couldn't do his job properly because he's "Mexican."  He then said he also wondered if a Muslim would be able to do the job properly.  You really don't have to break down the etymology of the name of a Hispanic bar association to figure out that Trump is a bigoted POS.
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I think we have all determined that Trump is a bigot.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
But what may be worse for me besides all of that, whether its deflection or true racism, it's that he actually has a problem with courts and reporters and opponents who do not show him respect. He says that so often, like a mantra, that he has been treated 'disrespectfully.' It's a huge, serious problem if that is really the case because then you have a president who makes policy determinations and statements based on how people veiw him and treat him, whether they oppose him or support him. That's really un-American.
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Sadly I don't think that many people realize there's a difference between a reality TV star trolling reporters and the POTUS trolling reporters.

Just from reading thoughts from Trump supporters here and other places online, they don't seem to realize how un-Presidential and potentially damaging some of his comments are. Or as I've been told in here, they don't care because that means he's not like all the other lifetime politicians, which by definition has to be a positive.

 
tone1oc said:
Let's just pretend that this judge was the Grand Dragon of the La Raza Unida..  And that Trump didn't destroy this argument by flatly saying Mexicans and Muslims judges would have a conflict of interest or bias against him. 

1.  What has the La Raza Unida done that is so nefarious
2.  What specifically has Curiel done to aid, assist or promote said nefarious activity.
3.  What about the nefarious activity would preclude Curiel from officiating a fraud case against a get rich quick university?
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Beyond the usual political corruption and supporting the concept of Aztlan (a sovereign Hispanic nation in the U.S. Southwest), not much.

 
The General said:
Does he do this intentionally or can he not help himself? I'm thinking here he is just being a bigot.

I am slowly coming back to thinking he is going to get crushed in the general election, have been wrong all along with him though.

He is so out of his league for this job and is so apparent.
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Me too. I think the next batch of polls will show that last week was the peak of the Trump movement, and that many Americans who previously hadn't realize just how bad he is (or perhaps had forgotten during his relatively quiet weeks after securing the nomination) are coming around and will now join the fight to oppose him.

It would not totally stun me if he fabricated a reason to bow out of the race before the convention, maybe a health/family emergency type thing.  I don't expect him to do so, but it seems many times more likely with him than with any other candidate of our lifetimes.

 
Skoo said:
Sadly I don't think that many people realize there's a difference between a reality TV star trolling reporters and the POTUS trolling reporters.

Just from reading thoughts from Trump supporters here and other places online, they don't seem to realize how un-Presidential and potentially damaging some of his comments are. Or as I've been told in here, they don't care because that means he's not like all the other lifetime politicians, which by definition has to be a positive.
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It is almost like a rebellion, isn't it? Kind of a white version of a race riot.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Me too. I think the next batch of polls will show that last week was the peak of the Trump movement, and that many Americans who previously hadn't realize just how bad he is (or perhaps had forgotten during his relatively quiet weeks after securing the nomination) are coming around and will now join the fight to oppose him.

It would not totally stun me if he fabricated a reason to bow out of the race before the convention, maybe a health/family emergency type thing.  I don't expect him to do so, but it seems many times more likely with him than with any other candidate of our lifetimes.
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Nah. First of all, he's a raging narcissist who probably actually believes that he will win. Second, even if he doesn't, he's building up a huge dedicated following of suckers to buy his steaks, vodka, and chinese clothing. They'll attend his seminars and speaking gigs. They'll watch his TV shows. They'll aspire to staying in his hotels and playing on his golf courses. The essentially free marketing he's getting from this run is astounding in value.

 
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