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NutterButter said:
:lol:    Trump knows intelligence.    Comical he says Pence can get the Iraq vote wrong but not Hillary.
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Honestly, that shtick is kinda what I love about him.  Of course he knows it's a hypocritical position, but he's not gonna come right out and say it.  He's a classic bull####ter, and I love that about him.  Won't vote for him for president, but I'm pretty sure he'd be great over a few beers.

 
3C's said:
I just want to punch him in his ugly duck faced mouth whenever he pulls the "excuse me" line.

Source: CBS 60 Minutes

Lesley Stahl: But we did go to war, if you remember. We went to Iraq.

Donald Trump: Yeah, you went to Iraq, but that was handled so badly. And that was a war-- by the way, that was a war that we shouldn't have entered because Iraq did not knock down--excuse me

Lesley Stahl: Your running mate--

Donald Trump: Iraq did not--

Lesley Stahl: --voted for it.

Donald Trump: I don't care.

Lesley Stahl: What do you mean you don't care that he voted for?

Donald Trump: It's a long time ago. And he voted that way and they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people.

Lesley Stahl: But you've harped on this.

Donald Trump: But I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning.  <comment>liar!</comment>

Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but you've used that vote of Hillary's that was the same as Governor Pence as the example of her bad judgment.

Donald Trump: Many people have, and frankly, I'm one of the few that was right on Iraq.

Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but what about he--

Donald Trump: He's entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.

Lesley Stahl: But she's not? OK, come on--

Donald Trump: But she's not--

Lesley Stahl: She's not?

Donald Trump: No. She's not.

Lesley Stahl: Got it.
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Missed this last night. He is so bad at this..

 
It was funny seeing the pair sit next to each other. Donald would prattle on about a topic and Pence would take Donald's answers and spit them back out in generic political phrases.

Q: What is your plan when you say "declare war with ISIS, that's very vague" 

Donald: Boots on ground, not very many boots. Great Intelligence, the best. NATO. Turkey doing stuff. Okay.

Pence: What we need is broad shoulder leadership. Donald is a good man. Something about pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps.

 
Someone quote his answer on turkey because I thought it was his lowlight of the night and quoting text from other sources is impossible on mobile for me here. 

 
Lesley Stahl: But all reactions to what's been going on aren't muscular. For example, look what happened in Turkey. There was a military coup in a democratic country; a NATO ally. How would you respond to that?

Donald Trump: Well, as a president, I'm going to be-- you know, they've been an ally and I stay with our allies. They have been an ally. But that was a quick coup. I was actually surprised to see how well it was handled. And you know who really handled it? The people. So, I mean, we can say what we want, but the people handled it. When they surrounded the army tanks and without the people, you would've never had it. The military would've taken over.

:lol:  Palinesque.

 
Lesley Stahl: Horrible. You said you would declare war against ISIS. What exactly do you have--

Donald Trump: It is war. By the way, it is war.

Lesley Stahl: No, but does that-- when you say, "Declare war," do you want to send American troops in there? Is that what you mean?

Donald Trump: Look, we have people that hate us. We have people that want to wipe us out. We're gonna declare war against ISIS. We have to wipe out ISIS. These are people that--

Lesley Stahl: With troops on the ground?

Donald Trump: I am going to have very few troops on the ground. We're going to have unbelievable intelligence, which we need; which, right now, we don't have. We don't have the people over there. We are going to use--

Lesley Stahl: You want to send Americans--

Donald Trump: Excuse me-- and we're going to have surrounding states and, very importantly, get NATO involved because we support NATO far more than we should, frankly, because you have a lot of countries that aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. And we have to wipe out ISIS. And speaking of Turkey, Turkey is an ally. Turkey can do it by themselves. But they have to be incentivized. For whatever reason, they're not. So we have no choice.

Lesley Stahl: But I still don't know if you're going to send troops over--

Donald Trump: Very little. I'm gonna--

Lesley Stahl: But declare war--

Donald Trump: --get neighboring states and I'm going to get-- we are going to get NATO; we're going to wipe 'em out. We're gonna--

Lesley Stahl: But declare war?

Mike Pence: Lesley--

Lesley Stahl: What does that mean--

Mike Pence: This is-- this is the kind-- this is the kind of leadership that America needs and it--

Lesley Stahl: But what--

Mike Pence: -and it begins with deciding to destroy the enemies of our freedom.

Lesley Stahl: How?

Mike Pence: And how we do that? I have every confidence. You-- you remember I served on the Foreign Affairs Committee. And I'm very confident that when Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, he'll give a directive to our military commanders, bring together other nations, and we will use the enormous resources of the United States to destroy that enemy.

Donald Trump: Now look, we are going to get rid of ISIS, big league. And we're going to get rid of 'em fast. And we're going to use surrounding states. We're going to use NATO, probably. And we're going to declare war. It is war. When the World Trade Center comes tumbling down, with thousands of people being killed, people are still-- I have friends that are still--

Lesley Stahl: But we did go to war, if you remember. We went to Iraq.

Donald Trump: Yeah, you went to Iraq, but that was handled so badly. And that was a war-- by the way, that was a war that we shouldn't have entered because Iraq did not knock down--excuse me

:lol:  This can't build confidence. 

 
culdeus said:
Someone quote his answer on turkey because I thought it was his lowlight of the night and quoting text from other sources is impossible on mobile for me here. 
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Lesley Stahl: But all reactions to what's been going on aren't muscular. For example, look what happened in Turkey. There was a military coup in a democratic country; a NATO ally. How would you respond to that?

Donald Trump: Well, as a president, I'm going to be-- you know, they've been an ally and I stay with our allies. They have been an ally. But that was a quick coup. I was actually surprised to see how well it was handled. And you know who really handled it? The people. So, I mean, we can say what we want, but the people handled it. When they surrounded the army tanks and without the people, you would've never had it. The military would've taken over.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-trump-pence-republican-ticket/

 
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Steve Tasker said:
Honestly, that shtick is kinda what I love about him.  Of course he knows it's a hypocritical position, but he's not gonna come right out and say it.  He's a classic bull####ter, and I love that about him.  Won't vote for him for president, but I'm pretty sure he'd be great over a few beers.
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He doesn't drink

 
Did he actually say anything? Holy word salad yet again.

Its amazing that it has come to this...that people still support that and think he will do well.  I mean, I get (in a way) people who just don't want Hillary.  They don't like Trump, but think Hillary is worse.  I don't agree with it to support this man...but at least there is some defense of that.  But those that actually think he will be a good president or has a clue?  I really have a problem with understanding those people.  Holy crap.

 
The General said:
Donald Trump: Now look, we are going to get rid of ISIS, big league. And we're going to get rid of 'em fast. And we're going to use surrounding states. We're going to use NATO, probably. And we're going to declare war. It is war. When the World Trade Center comes tumbling down, with thousands of people being killed, people are still-- I have friends that are still--

Lesley Stahl: But we did go to war, if you remember. We went to Iraq.
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Have to get past the humor of reading the first part in a Jimmy Cagney voice ('we're gonna get all the bad guyz, see? then they're gonna stop their dirty trix, see? then we're gonna take out the tearists, see? then bingo, bango, they're all gone, see?')

But the clownishness of it makes people overlook important stuff. He doesn't even understand what happened in Iraq or what we've been going through there, it's not just a question of the intelligence that led us to the war (or his own lies about his own POV on it back in the day). The man has a 1/8th inch deep understanding of the issue. This one statement is so laden with problems that it's really impossible to talk about succinctly.

 
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Here's a 60 Minutes best of compilation courtesy of Gawker.

Here's his delightful quote from this morning suggesting that Obama actually approves of the police shootings:

On Fox, Trump says when Obama talks about police, his words are"OK" but his body language says something else: "There's something going on."
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And in case there's still someone out there who thinks the next four months should be about anything other than coming together to keep this moronic disgrace and national embarrassment as far from the presidency as possible, please enjoy this delightful article/interview in the New Yorker with the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal, a man who obviously knows him very well.  A sampling:

But the prospect of President Trump terrified him. It wasn’t because of Trump’s ideology—Schwartz doubted that he had one. The problem was Trump’s personality, which he considered pathologically impulsive and self-centered.

Schwartz thought about publishing an article describing his reservations about Trump, but he hesitated, knowing that, since he’d cashed in on the flattering “Art of the Deal,” his credibility and his motives would be seen as suspect. Yet watching the campaign was excruciating. Schwartz decided that if he kept mum and Trump was elected he’d never forgive himself. In June, he agreed to break his silence and give his first candid interview about the Trump he got to know while acting as his Boswell.

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
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Pretty odd yes.  I have no problem controlling the message on twitter and responding when falsehoods are presented.  But this seems to g well beyond that.

 
mquinnjr said:
Isn't there a "gentleman's agreement" that the other party won't actively campaign during the other's convention? Then I see this: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-campaign-dnc-planning-counter-convention-rnc/story?id=40597590

Combined with Colbert "pranking us all" this morning (Let's imagine the press coverage if O'Reilly tried something similar in Philly during the DNC), I hope the RNC doesn't hold back if the gloves are indeed off on this.
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Oh no. THE GLOVES ARE COMING OFF! 

Colbert is a comedian/entertainer by the way.

 
mquinnjr said:
Isn't there a "gentleman's agreement" that the other party won't actively campaign during the other's convention? Then I see this: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-campaign-dnc-planning-counter-convention-rnc/story?id=40597590

Combined with Colbert "pranking us all" this morning (Let's imagine the press coverage if O'Reilly tried something similar in Philly during the DNC), I hope the RNC doesn't hold back if the gloves are indeed off on this.
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If they wanted a campaign where the parties abide by "gentlemen's agreements" and past protocol the RNC probably shouldn't have picked Cheeto Mussolini as their nominee.  That stuff went out the window months ago.

 
TobiasFunke said:
If they wanted a campaign where the parties abide by "gentlemen's agreements" and past protocol the RNC probably shouldn't have picked Cheeto Mussolini as their nominee.  That stuff went out the window months ago.
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That's fair. I mean, the article even acknowledges this at one point. I'd just say the precedent has been punted at this point, and to proceed as both parties see fit during the other's convention.

 
bueno:

As I recall, Nixon had a secret plan to end the Vietnam war. But then Trump is no Nixon....
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Nixon never actually said that he had a secret plan to end the Vietnam War, although he didn't mind the fact that many people assumed that he did have a secret plan.

Basically, in 1968 he said something to the effect of "only new leadership can end the war", to which George Romney sarcastically responded, "Where is your secret plan, then??"

It was a similar tactic to Trump saying "only I can stop these terrorist acts", but it was vague enough to avoid scrutiny.

 
sho nuff said:
Did he actually say anything? Holy word salad yet again.

Its amazing that it has come to this...that people still support that and think he will do well.  I mean, I get (in a way) people who just don't want Hillary.  They don't like Trump, but think Hillary is worse.  I don't agree with it to support this man...but at least there is some defense of that.  But those that actually think he will be a good president or has a clue?  I really have a problem with understanding those people.  Holy crap.
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In my estimation the vast majority of his voters aren't educated on the issues. 

So for them, not being Hillary, and seemingly not being part of the establishment is enough. Plus he's gonna get rid of all those pesky foreigners for us.

For someone who is unable to think critically, a statement like "we're gonna defeat ISIS, and we're gonna defeat them fast" is enough for them.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Have to get past the humor of reading the first part in a Jimmy Cagney voice ('we're gonna get all the bad guyz, see? then they're gonna stop their dirty trix, see? then we're gonna take out the tearists, see? then bingo, bango, they're all gone, see?')

But the clownishness of it makes people overlook important stuff. He doesn't even understand what happened in Iraq or what we've been going through there, it's not just a question of the intelligence that led us to the war (or his own lies about his own POV on it back in the day). The man has a 1/8th inch deep understanding of the issue. This one statement is so laden with problems that it's really impossible to talk about succinctly.
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It's remarkable how terrible and ill-thought all his policy positions are, when he manages to even hold a single position long enough for it to be considered anything resembling policy ideas. 
 

 
The General said:
Lesley Stahl: Horrible. You said you would declare war against ISIS. What exactly do you have--

Donald Trump: It is war. By the way, it is war.

Lesley Stahl: No, but does that-- when you say, "Declare war," do you want to send American troops in there? Is that what you mean?

Donald Trump: Look, we have people that hate us. We have people that want to wipe us out. We're gonna declare war against ISIS. We have to wipe out ISIS. These are people that--

Lesley Stahl: With troops on the ground?

Donald Trump: I am going to have very few troops on the ground. We're going to have unbelievable intelligence, which we need; which, right now, we don't have. We don't have the people over there. We are going to use--

Lesley Stahl: You want to send Americans--

Donald Trump: Excuse me-- and we're going to have surrounding states and, very importantly, get NATO involved because we support NATO far more than we should, frankly, because you have a lot of countries that aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. And we have to wipe out ISIS. And speaking of Turkey, Turkey is an ally. Turkey can do it by themselves. But they have to be incentivized. For whatever reason, they're not. So we have no choice.

Lesley Stahl: But I still don't know if you're going to send troops over--

Donald Trump: Very little. I'm gonna--

Lesley Stahl: But declare war--

Donald Trump: --get neighboring states and I'm going to get-- we are going to get NATO; we're going to wipe 'em out. We're gonna--

Lesley Stahl: But declare war?

Mike Pence: Lesley--

Lesley Stahl: What does that mean--

Mike Pence: This is-- this is the kind-- this is the kind of leadership that America needs and it--

Lesley Stahl: But what--

Mike Pence: -and it begins with deciding to destroy the enemies of our freedom.

Lesley Stahl: How?

Mike Pence: And how we do that? I have every confidence. You-- you remember I served on the Foreign Affairs Committee. And I'm very confident that when Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, he'll give a directive to our military commanders, bring together other nations, and we will use the enormous resources of the United States to destroy that enemy.

Donald Trump: Now look, we are going to get rid of ISIS, big league. And we're going to get rid of 'em fast. And we're going to use surrounding states. We're going to use NATO, probably. And we're going to declare war. It is war. When the World Trade Center comes tumbling down, with thousands of people being killed, people are still-- I have friends that are still--

Lesley Stahl: But we did go to war, if you remember. We went to Iraq.

Donald Trump: Yeah, you went to Iraq, but that was handled so badly. And that was a war-- by the way, that was a war that we shouldn't have entered because Iraq did not knock down--excuse me

:lol:  This can't build confidence. 
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How can anybody seriously vote for this? This isn't just a difference in opinion about politics between the D and R this time. Hillary is a seriously flawed candidate. But this isn't just incompetence that a vote for Trump endorses. It is ineptitude, incoherence, misunderstanding of facts and procedure -- it's almost as bad as Sarah Palin being president. 

 
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