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Official Donald Trump for President thread (4 Viewers)

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Al O'Pecia said:
Your post shows that you completely misread the situation.   No matter how many likes your post gets from other like-minded people who also just want to rail against the other team does not make your post correct in any way.

The reality is that Trump received most of his support from people who left the Republican Party or felt alienated by the Republican Party specifically because that party refused to take Trump's hardline stances that you falsely attribute to that party. 

Republicans like Bush called Islam the "Religion of Peace", and other elected Republicans tip-toed around the issue of equating terrorism with Islam.  People gravitated toward Trump specifically because he took a hardline stance on the issue that other candidates and the Republican Party on the whole refused to take.

Republicans talked about illegal immigration, but did little to stop it.  Further, Republicans seldom talked in as stark terms about illegal immigrants as Trump.  People gravitated toward Trump specifically because he took a hardline stance on the issue that other candidates and the Republican Party on the whole refused to take.

Republicans talked about inner city crime, but were always hestitant to speak about the demographics of that crime for fear of being called names by emotional people adverse to facts.  People gravitated toward Trump specifically because he talked in ore true terms about the dynamics of that crime.

If Trump's views were a natural extension to the party then why did the party try to distance itself fro Trump?  Why didn't all the Republican candidates say similar things and take similar positions?

You talk of Trump being borne out of what the Republican Party was saying, but the reality is that Trump was borne out of what the Republican Party was not saying and refused to say even though a humongous portion of the population, and particularly their base, held those legitimate beliefs.  

You talk about Trump being an extension of the Republican Party's "projecting American strength" overseas, but part of the reason why the Republican Party dislikes Trump is because he has enunciated a more paleo-conservative, isolationist foreign policy as opposed to the neo-conservative, interventionist foreign policy that has been the Republican's foreign policy for decades and you're more apt to see from Clinton.

"When the primary for the "party of small government" can be won by a guy who pretty much believes in anything but limited government you have to wonder how much of that party's message has been about limited government and how much has been about just demonizing anything a Democrat did over the past few decades."

And you don't think much of the Democrat Party's message over the decades has been demonizing the Republican Party and holding itself out as a contrast to it?  That's the nature of the two party system, man.  You're not dumb so you must be so blinded by your ideology to not see or not be honest that your team plays a similar game. 
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"Saying bigoted garbage to pander to me isn't enough! We want someone who actually is a bigot! Trump 2016!"

 
At the risk of being political, what are the actual sexual assaults by Bill Clinton that Trump was talking about in the video?

 
Coeur de Lion said:
"Saying bigoted garbage to pander to me isn't enough! We want someone who actually is a bigot! Trump 2016!"
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Without Googling name five overtly bigoted statements from prominent Republicans pre-Trump?  I mean if the Republican Party is so overtly bigoted that Trump is a merely natural extension of it rather than than a distinction from it that appealed to people more apt to hold Trump views than traditional Republican views then you should be able to easily name the Republican rhetoric that spawned Trump.

 
Arnold, huh? 

If there's a single dude in America who probably should be keeping his mouth shut about Trump's videotape (beyond maybe Anthony Weiner, that is) it's Arnold. Lol. 

 
Al O'Pecia said:
Without Googling name five overtly bigoted statements from prominent Republicans pre-Trump?  I mean if the Republican Party is so overtly bigoted that Trump is a merely natural extension of it rather than than a distinction from it that appealed to people more apt to hold Trump views than traditional Republican views then you should be able to easily name the Republican rhetoric that spawned Trump.
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Really? We've had eight years of birtherism, and longer than that re: anti-LGBT bigotry. It goes back to Goldwater and Nixon's Southern strategy. It's self-evident.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Really? We've had eight years of birtherism, and longer than that re: anti-LGBT bigotry. It goes back to Goldwater and Nixon's Southern strategy. It's self-evident.
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Remember Rick Santorum ranting "I don't want to help black people with taxpayer money", or something to that effect?  I mean it's not even dogwhistle stuff anymore.  Santorum just comes out and says it.  I don't understand why Al thinks this is up for argument.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Only chance Hillary loses now is if trump bails.  It's only a small chance, but it's the only one that exists now.  This country is not electing trump.
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It's been over for some time but this is the part of the movie where people get in line to get throw a shovel of dirt on the grave.

 
CNN says some Republican party leaders are suggesting that they could try to convince Pence to quit which would then lead to Trump quitting and then Pence replacing him. Just some speculation really. Whata clown show.

 
cap'n grunge said:
CNN says some Republican party leaders are suggesting that they could try to convince Pence to quit which would then lead to Trump quitting and then Pence replacing him. Just some speculation really. Whata clown show.
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He didn't attend a rally because of being disgusted with Trump. I think Trump will eventually drop out, especially if it means Melania leaving him.

 
Clinton sits back and just laughs at him during the debate. "The Apprentice" people put out all these tapes they say they have of him for next few weeks. Trump loses in Mondale fashion.

That would be a nice finish to this #### show.

 
cap'n grunge said:
CNN says some Republican party leaders are suggesting that they could try to convince Pence to quit which would then lead to Trump quitting and then Pence replacing him. Just some speculation really. Whata clown show.
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Pence is just as bad.  The only thing his has over Trump is governing experience.  

 
I like how they say Trump was not a politician at the time.  As if he wasn't a public figure and his brand his biggest asset for decades.

Trump on Stern talking about Ivanka's body was creepy when I listened live.

I remember the AJ Benza feud.  That was hilarious.

 
Soootch said:
The Bill Clinton rape horse#### is downright bizarre. He's not running for president, everyone knows that right? In what universe is that stuff expected to move the needle here? It comes off completely tone-deaf, amateurish and desperate.
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Your first time watching the Trump campaign? 

 
timschochet said:
Arnold, huh? 

If there's a single dude in America who probably should be keeping his mouth shut about Trump's videotape (beyond maybe Anthony Weiner, that is) it's Arnold. Lol. 
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People who should shut their mouth on this:

Arnold

Hastert

Weiner

Bill Clinton

Bill Cosby

Al Gore

 
I still say Trump has a shot to win this thing. If the election were being held tomorrow, or next week, then sure its over. But 30 days is an infinite amount of time in politics. Who knows what might happen? People are fickle. I will only feel secure when this thing is finally over.

 
timschochet said:
I still say Trump has a shot to win this thing. If the election were being held tomorrow, or next week, then sure its over. But 30 days is an infinite amount of time in politics. Who knows what might happen? People are fickle. I will only feel secure when this thing is finally over.
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well...you're really weird.

 
timschochet said:
I still say Trump has a shot to win this thing. If the election were being held tomorrow, or next week, then sure its over. But 30 days is an infinite amount of time in politics. Who knows what might happen? People are fickle. I will only feel secure when this thing is finally over.
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WT_. No. It' a question of 350, 375, 400 or 425 EVs for Hillary. And does she get 50%.

 
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