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Trump campaign is now urging all out attack on Republicans who are abandoning him. We're going to see down-ballot bloodbaths now -- Trumpkins not voting for Republicans on the rest of the ballot, and others not voting for Trump at the top. This is going to hurt the party for a generation.
Even as someone who leans progressive, I find this dis-heartening. Conservatives aren't all cretins requiring a beat-down. Many of their arguments and points-of-view are absolutely valid and worthy of discussion and debate. They deserve better. Hopefully they won't completely lose their seats at the table.

 
Look, neither of us might agree on a young Earth, but be careful about dismissing Christians who believe this out of hand. It is certainly possible to believe God created a mature Earth, and still have a strong belief in science. Not every person who believes God created Earth 6000 or so years ago denies climate change, or smoking v. cancer, or the logic and necessity of vaccinations. Some Christians who believe in a young Earth also accept evolutionary processes are real, even if they don't believe humans evolved from apes.

Attacking the reasonability of Christians and immediately rejecting every person who believes in a young Earth as crazy is neither fair nor productive. Many Christian perspectives and opinions are absolutely valid and reasonable even if we disagree with them
That sounds wise.  I don't know how you could be right with the bolded, but maybe that's for a different thread.  Thanks for the advice.

 
Even as someone who leans progressive, I find this dis-heartening. Conservatives aren't all cretins requiring a beat-down. Many of their arguments and points-of-view are absolutely valid and worthy of discussion and debate. They deserve better. Hopefully they won't completely lose their seats at the table.
This could be a moment for them to tighten up their product.  Although a GOP civil war may be painful, it could be the best thing for the party and more importantly the country.  Just think, they could take a leadership role and tell some of their constituents that believe in some of the more awful things to grow up and enter the 21st century with the rest of us.  Wouldn't that be awesome?

 
CNN on set at the debate: Van Jones talks about Trump claiming to be the "law and order" candidate being ironic considering this recording and the Trumpkins in the background start shouting USA USA. :wall:

 
So, how does this end for Trump? How does he prioritize the presidency, his ego, his brand.  Gotta think he's gonna have to make some compromises or it could be a fall of epic proportions.  Indeed, three films come to mind as emblematic of what Trump could be facing:

Citizen Kane- Hearst had fallen from power already, but the public humiliation of this thinly veiled attack (and the use of "rosebud" as the mcguffin - look either/both up if you don't know the backstory) was the final humiliation among the elites he sought to wield power over

Inherit the Wind - William Jennings Bryan's final pyhrric victor destroys him as he chooses to hang on to the view of the dead and dying rather than get on board with the enlightened

A Face in the Crowd- Lonesome Rhodes the master manipulator get so close to the brass ring but is undone by his own ego and braggadoccio

Any other corrolaries to the impending Trump downfall?

 
Even as someone who leans progressive, I find this dis-heartening. Conservatives aren't all cretins requiring a beat-down. Many of their arguments and points-of-view are absolutely valid and worthy of discussion and debate. They deserve better. Hopefully they won't completely lose their seats at the table.
Reasonable fiscal conservatives who don't have wacky science or religious ideas deserve better. 

 
This could be a moment for them to tighten up their product.  Although a GOP civil war may be painful, it could be the best thing for the party and more importantly the country.  Just think, they could take a leadership role and tell some of their constituents that believe in some of the more awful things to grow up and enter the 21st century with the rest of us.  Wouldn't that be awesome?
Yes, it would.  If you were to set the odds on that happening what would they be?

 
I don't think she was.  In fact, no one thinks she was joking at all.  She literally believes that, IMO.
No one outside of ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-jokes-wiping-email-server-cloth/story?id=33165517

Hillary Clinton joked to reporters Tuesday in Las Vegas about whether she "wiped" her email server clean before giving it to the FBI.

“What? Like with a cloth or something?” she asked, then laughed. “I don’t know how it works digitally at all.”

 
Most awesome thing that could happen in party realignment in my book would be to have all Trump supporters to break off into a new party and all the establishment, sane republicans come over and become moderate democrats. 

 
There will be backlash for Hillary's personal attacks.  They won't work on Les Deplorables.
First, I'm curious to see your definition of a "personal attack". Second, I doubt Hillary is concerned about the Deplorables telling all their friends to vote against her.

 
People still throwing their support at Trump to lead the country while I would be nervous if he was standing behind me in line at Starbucks. 

 
I don't think she was.  In fact, no one thinks she was joking at all.  She literally believes that, IMO.
No one outside of ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-jokes-wiping-email-server-cloth/story?id=33165517

Hillary Clinton joked to reporters Tuesday in Las Vegas about whether she "wiped" her email server clean before giving it to the FBI.

“What? Like with a cloth or something?” she asked, then laughed. “I don’t know how it works digitally at all.”
The fact her team actually wiped the server several months before this is probably important in reading that word choice in retrospect.

 
 It is certainly possible to believe God created a mature Earth, and still have a strong belief in science.
No it's not.   It's possible to believe God created a mature earth, and to think that you have a strong belief in science, but you'd be delusional.   

Sorry, editing to add that the people who believe that god created a mature earth, and that god deliberately included all the fake evidence that makes it look like the earth is billions of years old, can probably have a strong belief in science. 

 
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So, how does this end for Trump? How does he prioritize the presidency, his ego, his brand.  Gotta think he's gonna have to make some compromises or it could be a fall of epic proportions.  Indeed, three films come to mind as emblematic of what Trump could be facing:

Citizen Kane- Hearst had fallen from power already, but the public humiliation of this thinly veiled attack (and the use of "rosebud" as the mcguffin - look either/both up if you don't know the backstory) was the final humiliation among the elites he sought to wield power over

Inherit the Wind - William Jennings Bryan's final pyhrric victor destroys him as he chooses to hang on to the view of the dead and dying rather than get on board with the enlightened

A Face in the Crowd- Lonesome Rhodes the master manipulator get so close to the brass ring but is undone by his own ego and braggadoccio

Any other corrolaries to the impending Trump downfall?
I was convinced you were going to go the Batman route:

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

 
I have different standards for entertainers vs the leader of the free world, as would most other people, I'd think and hope.
That was not what the founding fathers envisioned.  We need people from all walks of life, not only career politicians.  Early Presidents were farmers and Ronald Reagan was an entertainer.

 
Even as someone who leans progressive, I find this dis-heartening. Conservatives aren't all cretins requiring a beat-down. Many of their arguments and points-of-view are absolutely valid and worthy of discussion and debate. They deserve better. Hopefully they won't completely lose their seats at the table.
Oh, I agree with this. IMO the country is served best by dialogue and compromise between both sides. I really hope that this causes the Republican Party to move back to the center and focus on reasonable fiscal conservatism. The problem with that, though, is that a big part of the base wants to die on a few different hills in the already lost cause of the culture war. Guess we'll see.

 
Oh, I agree with this. IMO the country is served best by dialogue and compromise between both sides. I really hope that this causes the Republican Party to move back to the center and focus on reasonable fiscal conservatism. The problem with that, though, is that a big part of the base wants to die on a few different hills in the already lost cause of the culture war. Guess we'll see.
I thought you said compromise.  What do you see the Democrats doing?  Hillary is not proposing anything new compared to Obama and we already know the same policy created huge deficits.

I'm an independent.

 
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That was not what the founding fathers envisioned.  We need people from all walks of life, not only career politicians.  Early Presidents were farmers and Ronald Reagan was an entertainer.
The world has changed a bit in the past 240ish years. And don't compare Trump to Reagan.

 
The world has changed a bit in the past 240ish years. And don't compare Trump to Reagan.
I did not.  What the media and campaigns focus on should change with the times.  It is the same old formula which helps two-faced politicians.

Career politicians are trained to be careful with what they say.  Regular citizens tend not to be before they decide to run for office.  Just because someone doesn't say something in public does not mean they don't think it.

Most people have changed positions somewhere along the way, even politicians.  There should be some allowance for real changes of heart when we see some seemingly okay ideas not panning out as expected.  What we don't want to see is candidates saying whatever the people want to hear which they don't truely believe in.

Many questioned why we don't have better candidates running for office.  The establishment has made the threshold too high for the average guy.

 
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So, how does this end for Trump? How does he prioritize the presidency, his ego, his brand.  Gotta think he's gonna have to make some compromises or it could be a fall of epic proportions.  Indeed, three films come to mind as emblematic of what Trump could be facing:

Citizen Kane- Hearst had fallen from power already, but the public humiliation of this thinly veiled attack (and the use of "rosebud" as the mcguffin - look either/both up if you don't know the backstory) was the final humiliation among the elites he sought to wield power over

Inherit the Wind - William Jennings Bryan's final pyhrric victor destroys him as he chooses to hang on to the view of the dead and dying rather than get on board with the enlightened

A Face in the Crowd- Lonesome Rhodes the master manipulator get so close to the brass ring but is undone by his own ego and braggadoccio

Any other corrolaries to the impending Trump downfall?
Bullworth:  He's gonna start rapping and win the black vote.

 
The problem the past decade or so doesn't lie with the Democrats, guy. The right went off of the deep end when Obama got elected. And  :lmao:  at you being "independent."
I am an Independent.  In fact I voted for Obama.

You are saying there is no need for Democrats to give up anything.  I think you're wrong.

 
I am an Independent.  In fact I voted for Obama.

You are saying there is no need for Democrats to give up anything.  I think you're wrong.
I didn't say that at all. I said that the last decade or so is primarily on the Republicans, which is true. The birtherism, the shutdowns, denying world scientific consensus on climate change, the attacks on the LGBT community, the recent Merrick Garland nonsense, etc.

 
What was that "personal attack" again?

:coffee:

:tumbleweed:
Hillary attacked Trump for not paying taxes when he filed legal deductions.  It is not against the law to not pay taxes, in fact half of America does so legally.

I paid a lot of taxes every year, but I'm sure it is much less than the taxes that Trump paid for the  employees who work for his company.

 
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So, how does this end for Trump? How does he prioritize the presidency, his ego, his brand.  Gotta think he's gonna have to make some compromises or it could be a fall of epic proportions.  Indeed, three films come to mind as emblematic of what Trump could be facing:

Citizen Kane- Hearst had fallen from power already, but the public humiliation of this thinly veiled attack (and the use of "rosebud" as the mcguffin - look either/both up if you don't know the backstory) was the final humiliation among the elites he sought to wield power over

Inherit the Wind - William Jennings Bryan's final pyhrric victor destroys him as he chooses to hang on to the view of the dead and dying rather than get on board with the enlightened

A Face in the Crowd- Lonesome Rhodes the master manipulator get so close to the brass ring but is undone by his own ego and braggadoccio

Any other corrolaries to the impending Trump downfall?
I almost posted about A Face in the Crowd last night. Andy Griffith is a Trump like character who appeals to the common man but is undone by a live mic picking up his comments as to how he really feels.

 
I did not.  What the media and campaigns focus on should change with the times.  It is the same old formula which helps two-faced politicians.

Career politicians are trained to be careful with what they say.  Regular citizens tend not to be before they decide to run for office.  Just because someone doesn't say something in public does not mean they don't think it.

Most people have changed positions somewhere along the way, even politicians.  There should be some allowance for real changes of heart when we see some seemingly okay ideas not panning out as expected.  What we don't want to see is candidates saying whatever the people want to hear which they don't truely believe in.

Many questioned why we don't have better candidates running for office.  The establishment has made the threshold too high for the average guy.
I don't understand how compromising with the GOP is supposed to reduce the deficit.  The GOP doesn't want to spend less money, they just want to spend it on different things.  Their increases in military spending alone more than make up for the social spending of the left.

"We want to spend more and collect less, and we're going to reduce the deficit while doing it through....magic!"

 
I don't understand how compromising with the GOP is supposed to reduce the deficit.  The GOP doesn't want to spend less money, they just want to spend it on different things.  Their increases in military spending alone more than make up for the social spending of the left.

"We want to spend more and collect less, and we're going to reduce the deficit while doing it through....magic!"
Trump is the one guy who consistently spends less to do more.  Just the campaign spending alone shows a clear difference between the 2 candidates on how they use other people's money.

 
Yes.  The elites say farmers and blue collar workers are not educated enough to pick the right President, when they are the people who can see through more of the BS.  They do not care as much for form over substance.
Please, make a list of all the farmer Presidents we had.  I'm curious.

 
Hillary attacked Trump for not paying taxes when he filed legal deductions.  It is not against the law to not pay taxes, in fact half of America does so legally.
Hillary said, "Maybe Donald doesn't want the American people to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes."

If you think that's a personal attack, then you might benefit from reading one of the many anti-PC books published by conservative pundits to help you figure out why you're wrong.

 
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