Official Donald Trump for President thread (5 Viewers)

[tommyboy]

Popovich audio on Trump Victory

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/gregg-popovich-on-the-election-of-donald-trump-we-are-rome-020433327.html

In San Antonio? He's a dead man walking, figuratively

 

[Statorama]

Hopefully whatever they replace Obamacare with doesn't try to make every insurance policy cover everything under the sun.  Always hated that about Obamacare, and thought the young and healthy would have been onboard with a simple "catastrophic coverage" plan.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Another step towards single payer?

Maybe.

Keep in mind Trump claimed during the debates that his amazing expanding economy would pay for this, so no tax pain either.

 

[timschochet]

In San Antonio? He's a dead man walking, figuratively

Sure. He's only the best basketball coach who's ever lived. They want to fire him, there's about 30 other teams that would jump at the chance to hire him.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Maybe.

Keep in mind Trump claimed during the debates that his amazing expanding economy would pay for this, so no tax pain either.

Tax pain? F that, I'm fully expecting the tax cut he promised. He laid out the rates, so I'm baking this as a raise into my 2017 household budget. Republican Congress & President, right?

 

[msommer]

, but was also a repudiation of people who endlessly demonize their fellow Americans.  

So the vote is repudiating Donald Trump?

:mindblown:

 

[timschochet]

Tax pain? F that, I'm fully expecting the tax cut he promised. He laid out the rates, so I'm baking this as a raise into my 2017 household budget. Republican Congress & President, right?

Love free stuff. This is awesome!

 

[ffldrew]

There is going to be a bill on his desk - he will have to sign it or veto it. He has no control over Ryan and McConnell - they are going to move so fast on stuff and Trump is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place real soon. And if it plays out the Republicans and Trump will own the destruction of Medicare in order to pass tax cuts for the rich. And that will be election suicide. He's fu#@$$#ed

Possibly. He's never passed so much as a traffic light bill.

That is his problem - he was all hot air without the governing infrastructure underlying his campaign. Most campaigns have this figured out and are ready on day one to work that agenda. He hasn't even decided on what will be in any bill not to mention the White House staff infrastructure to shepherd  it through House and Senate committees. He went lean - maybe the Kids will do it - but they have 0 experience here. He's screwed - Ryan and McConnell have the bills already written and will be ready to go from day one. It's what you get when you bring in the "outsider" - see Jimmy Carter.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

 that Ryan and McConnell will have their bills on his desk ready to go, and guy has no choice but to sign them. It's not like he can comprehend them anyway.

 

[Loan Sharks]

So we take everyone with pre-existing conditions and put them on Medicare? Is that what Trump will propose? 

Let's say Im young and healthy. Why should so bother to buy health insurance at all? I'll just wait until I get sick, and the government will put me on Medicare. What's my incentive to buy insurance before that happens? 

You do know this was the ACA right? Of the almost 20 million newly insured over half of them were already medicare/aid eligible and just added to the already existing programs. 

You have a couple questions in there. 

1. If you are you and healthy and think a better use of your wealth is to pay a student loan instead of a expensive unneeded health plan why should you waste your money on something you don't need? 

2. Why bother with insurance at all and just get medicaid when ill. The same reason you have a 401k, annuity or retirement funding. The government plans like social security and medicaid are designed to give a minimum service level, not good not best the minimum. Your analogy is akin to thinking when you are elderly that social security should take care of your every want and need. 

3. I don't know what Trump will propose. I have maintaned that the president in no a legislator and any proposals have to go through congress. But I like the sentiment that the issues with the healthcare system will be revisited as I think the current solution was half baked political nonsense and has failed accordingly. 

 

[Coeur de Lion]

You say this as Democrats are rioting in the streets and have #NotMyPresident trending on Twitter for 5 days.  

"But don't remind us we lost or how bad our party sucks you loser Drumpf supporters!!!11!!1

Those people are idiots too, but they're not posting here AFAIK, so I'll deal with the idiots who are.

 

[[scooter]]

So expand Medicare.

Except Paul Ryan wants to gut Medicare and replace with vouchers - Trump is in the battle of his political life on this.

We're a little too early for "battle of his political life" stuff. As long as Trump changes Obamacare in some fashion, he can declare victory and his supporters will lap it up.

 

[[scooter]]

 that Ryan and McConnell will have their bills on his desk ready to go, and guy has no choice but to sign them. It's not like he can comprehend them anyway.

Trump may be a blowhard, but he is a master at creating the appearance of strength. He's not just going to sign whatever Congress tells him to sign because that will make him look weak.

 

[AAABatteries]

One thing I hope everyone who has kids has done is sit them down and explain why you either voted for Trump or why you didn't.  Also, hopefully explained why people on both sides are upset and give perspective to those feelings.  It's only though open dialogue and open mindedness that we'll continue to progress as a country.  

I would have had those conversations with my kids even if Hillary won.  One of the things I told them is we support our President even if/when we disagree.  

 

[knowledge dropper]

Do we still hang people for sedition?  

 

[Statorama]

Does this whole "the electoral college will give the Presidency to Hillary anyway" thing have legs?

I imagine that the people that would riot over that would be well armed and non-peaceful.

 

[beavers]

Does this whole "the electoral college will give the Presidency to Hillary anyway" thing have legs?

I imagine that the people that would riot over that would be well armed and non-peaceful.

No

 

[AAABatteries]

Does this whole "the electoral college will give the Presidency to Hillary anyway" thing have legs?

I feel pretty comfortable saying that would be a much worse outcome than a Trump Presidency.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Does this whole "the electoral college will give the Presidency to Hillary anyway" thing have legs?

I imagine that the people that would riot over that would be well armed and non-peaceful.

No. And as much as I hate Trump, I'd actually be one of the people freaking out if it did. It would completely undermine our democracy.

 

[beavers]

No. And as much as I hate Trump, I'd actually be one of the people freaking out if it did. It would completely undermine our democracy.

If the electoral college is no longer working, then change it for the next time, not now.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Please answer my follow up question then. You remove people with pre existing conditions from the marketplace, and you get rid of the individual mandate. Why should anyone healthy  buy insurance, if they know that when they get sick, the government will pay for it? 

Also, how much is this addition to Medicare going to add to the budget? How will it be paid for? Taxes, or do we simply increase the debt? 

1. Why should anyone healthy buy insurance. Tim I don't understand this. Literally everyone who has bought insurance has been healthy. They are guarding against the cost of a medical event. Insurance is a risk transfer, you can retain the risk if you choose to do so. You might as well ask why would anyone buy AFLAC supplemental insurance. Because they want more protection. Just because there is a minimum safety net does not mean there are not tiers of additional service that people will pay for. I thinking fundamental flaw you have is that falling into the safety net is a or should be a desirable goal. Most people want to stay on the trapeze. Minimum social insurance is to keep you from splatting on the floor not to be a comfy great place to be. 

2. As to the budget. I simply don't know. The first question would be how much are the subsidies costing us, second if the premiums and deductibles come down will that drop offset any tax needed and be a net gain for people. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

Does this whole "the electoral college will give the Presidency to Hillary anyway" thing have legs?

I imagine that the people that would riot over that would be well armed and non-peaceful.

If they did this there would be civil war.  

 

[tommyboy]

Sure. He's only the best basketball coach who's ever lived. They want to fire him, there's about 30 other teams that would jump at the chance to hire him.

Not the team. The city

 

[Loan Sharks]

This sounds like expanded medicare. 

Sure does. In my watching Trump he likes to fix broken things. And if things are working not mess with the (bathroom rules, social security etc.) I think President Trump was fine with the health care system before ACA with the exception of people that could not get coverage. That means preserving he functioning public market and expanding the functioning govt market to absorb the assigned risk pool. 

I agree with that myself.

 

[ffldrew]

So expand Medicare.

Except Paul Ryan wants to gut Medicare and replace with vouchers - Trump is in the battle of his political life on this.

We're a little too early for "battle of his political life" stuff. As long as Trump changes Obamacare in some fashion, he can declare victory and his supporters will lap it up.

It was the battle of the Obama administration - and look at his political life after that. You touch Healthcare in this country you might as well be riding lightening. It's why I admire Obama so much - he had great political capital and used it to move us off inertia on healthcare. And it cost him and the Democrats greatly - nearly wiped them out. That is a Profile in Courage.

Now it's Medicare too?- Ryan wants to rework Medicare as part of the Obamacare replacement - it will be a $8000 voucher. Senior citizens in this country will freak out - in fact trying to take on both at the same time is nearly impossible to come out unscathed - Trump will be riding more than lightening - he'll be trying to head to the Moon without oxygen. Combine it with a tax cut for the wealthy and it will be rout in the next election. You know the media will sell it that way - they made him they want to destroy him.The copy writes itself - He cut your Mom's Medicaid to give tax cuts to the rich. All of us Baby Boomers are already struggling to care for our parents and now he wants to burden us with vouchers? 

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/11/paul-ryans-comments-appear-to-put-medicare-in-play-for-2017/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/11/is-paul-ryan-already-eyeing-medicare-cuts/

 

[Loan Sharks]

How many House Republicans do you foresee voting in favor of this?

We are going to find out. 

We are looking at a couple of things 

1. ACA has made it impossible to take back the free stuff so they are stuck with it. So repealing it and replacing it with something different while keeping parts is the most likely outcome. 

2. There just aren't any good options for treating terminally ill cancer patients, it costs a lot and all the bull #### from Obama was just that you can't get a buy one get one free coupon on a million dollar chemo treatment. 

3. So either they tweek the tools available

4. President Trump does something completely different/ is blocked by congress. 

5. We gonna find out. 

 

[Dr Oadi]

EU now formulating plans to form its own military.

  Old news. Floated around the time of Brexit. Hilarity ensued.  

 

[Loan Sharks]

They already tried expanding Medicaid in the states as part of the ACA (it's a major part of the bill), and many Republican states refused to go along with the expansion, in other words they didn't expand Medicaid even though it was going to be paid for by the federal government, not the states themselves. This refusal to expand Medicaid is a huge contributing factor to why the ACA isn't working, in those states in particular. 

So now, this is what we're doing? Following the ACA? Ok.

Uh oh, someone is starting to see the issue. Insurance is regulated at a state level.......So the states do not have to cooperate Obama offered a carrot, the feds will pay for it and they didn't go for it. 

You know all that talk about removing the lines around the states, all the mockery about President Trump and how stupid he was for thinking removing lines on a map would solve this problem.  

Removing the lines on the map and making a federally competitive market reduces the states rights to regulate and moves it federal level. Or should I say a mad max thunder dome state level. Right now the consumers are captive to their states admitted insurers. Maybe someone in a neighboring state can offer a better price and product. 

Removing the lines is in essence turning the insurers against one another to provide the best product at the most competitive price instead of legislating it. Might not work but hey what we are doing isn't working so let roll them bones. 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Removing the lines is in essence turning the insurers against one another to provide the best product at the most competitive price instead of legislating it. Might not work but hey what we are doing isn't working so let roll them bones. 

What's actually happened in the states that have already done this?

 

[Sammy3469]

One thing I hope everyone who has kids has done is sit them down and explain why you either voted for Trump or why you didn't.  Also, hopefully explained why people on both sides are upset and give perspective to those feelings.  It's only though open dialogue and open mindedness that we'll continue to progress as a country.  

I would have had those conversations with my kids even if Hillary won.  One of the things I told them is we support our President even if/when we disagree.  

Please, he ran a bigoted campaign and I sure as hell told my 5 year old so when he brought him up.  There is a right and wrong and a lot of what Trump said in the campaign was just flat out wrong.  I have no problem telling my son not to support that.

 

[Loan Sharks]

One thing I hope everyone who has kids has done is sit them down and explain why you either voted for Trump or why you didn't.  Also, hopefully explained why people on both sides are upset and give perspective to those feelings.  It's only though open dialogue and open mindedness that we'll continue to progress as a country.  

I would have had those conversations with my kids even if Hillary won.  One of the things I told them is we support our President even if/when we disagree.  

I did I told my kids that we voted for Trump because we don't stand for demonizing certain people just because you don't agree with them and happen to think they are irredeemable deplorable non americans. I also told my kids that we could not stand behind a candidate who supports not paying gambling debts and trans-pigeon marriage. 

 

[ffldrew]

Uh oh, someone is starting to see the issue. Insurance is regulated at a state level.......So the states do not have to cooperate Obama offered a carrot, the feds will pay for it and they didn't go for it. 

You know all that talk about removing the lines around the states, all the mockery about President Trump and how stupid he was for thinking removing lines on a map would solve this problem.  

Removing the lines on the map and making a federally competitive market reduces the states rights to regulate and moves it federal level. Or should I say a mad max thunder dome state level. Right now the consumers are captive to their states admitted insurers. Maybe someone in a neighboring state can offer a better price and product. 

Removing the lines is in essence turning the insurers against one another to provide the best product at the most competitive price instead of legislating it. Might not work but hey what we are doing isn't working so let roll them bones. 

There are only about 8 players in this Nationwide- removing lines won't make much difference in competition other than healthy Utah/Colorado payers will now subsidize fat fried food eating payers in Alabama and Mississippi. 

 

[badmojo1006]

Do we still hang people for sedition?  

If we do, why wasn't the 2008-2016 Republic Senators and congressmen strung up?

 

[Apple Jack]

Does this whole "the electoral college will give the Presidency to Hillary anyway" thing have legs?

I imagine that the people that would riot over that would be well armed and non-peaceful.

I think Trump's win is the worst blow to this country's ideals in my lifetime and even I would riot if the White House was taken away from him after winning fair and square.

 

[JIslander]

I did I told my kids that we voted for Trump because we don't stand for demonizing certain people just because you don't agree with them and happen to think they are irredeemable deplorable non americans. I also told my kids that we could not stand behind a candidate who supports not paying gambling debts and trans-pigeon marriage. 

I bet they were really confused. African Americans?  Muslims? Mexicans? Women?

 

[Apple Jack]

I did I told my kids that we voted for Trump because we don't stand for demonizing certain people just because you don't agree with them 

Racism and xenophobia are not merely "opinions" or things that reasonable people can simply agree to disagree on. This is something many Trump supporters can't seem to get their heads around.

 

[badmojo1006]

Trump wants to split time between DC and NY.

I am Donald f***ing Trump and I will live where I damn well please

 

[Loan Sharks]

If the electoral college is no longer working, then change it for the next time, not now.

The electoral college is working as intended. It prevents pockets of population from dictating the entire nations policy. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

No. And as much as I hate Trump, I'd actually be one of the people freaking out if it did. It would completely undermine our democracy.

That's President Trump, you hate your President Trump. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

What's actually happened in the states that have already done this?

Don't know about medical but it works pretty well in auto. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

Please, he ran a bigoted campaign and I sure as hell told my 5 year old so when he brought him up.  There is a right and wrong and a lot of what Trump said in the campaign was just flat out wrong.  I have no problem telling my son not to support that.

Teaching him to disregard others opinions with out any thought early. Well done. 

 

[[scooter]]

Trump wants to split time between DC and NY.

I am Donald f***ing Trump and I will live where I damn well please

"I will divest myself from all my businesses...except of course when I'm living in one of the hotels that I own."

 

[rojbk]

Trump wants to split time between DC and NY.

I am Donald f***ing Trump and I will live where I damn well please

hoax article

Trump is reportedly talking to his adviser about splitting his time between Washington and his penthouse apartment in Manhattan, where he would often spend his nights during the campaign.

aka bull####

 

[[scooter]]

If the electoral college is no longer working, then change it for the next time, not now.

The electoral college is working as intended. It prevents pockets of population from dictating the entire nations policy. 

Pockets of population like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

 

[rojbk]

Pockets of population like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

You take out all the voting fraud that can easily happen (No ID required to vote) Trump wins the popular vote too. Does that make you feel better?

 

[[scooter]]

Trump wants to split time between DC and NY.

I am Donald f***ing Trump and I will live where I damn well please

hoax article

Trump is reportedly talking to his adviser about splitting his time between Washington and his penthouse apartment in Manhattan, where he would often spend his nights during the campaign.

aka bull####

And when it actually happens you will make another 180 and say that it's good for the country.

Obama and Clinton were bad presidents because they took too many vacation days. George W Bush and Trump are great presidents because they were able to get the occasional "down time" and recharge away from the high pressure environment of the White House.

same as it ever was, same as it ever was

 

[JIslander]

hoax article

aka bull####

Exactly. Mar-a-Lago will be in the mix too. He needs more safe tweeting spaces.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Racism and xenophobia are not merely "opinions" or things that reasonable people can simply agree to disagree on. This is something many Trump supporters can't seem to get their heads around.

Actually they are pigeon. That is what America is all about. When I was young the KKK won a court fight to hold a rally on the steps of the steps of the capital in Columbus. About 20 Klansmen stood there getting yelled at. I asked my dad why the Klan was allowed to have a rally and he said that is why America is great everyone has rights, even #######s. 

Times change friend and there was a time that blacks, women and others expressing their views was disgusting and should be suppressed. Everyone gets a say. We talk things out, that is why we have a bunch of babies crying about safe spaces and coloring books instead of blood in the streets at the end of a bayonet. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on what freedom of expression means. 

 

[[scooter]]

Pockets of population like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

You take out all the voting fraud that can easily happen (No ID required to vote) Trump wins the popular vote too. Does that make you feel better?

There is no sane person in this country who truly believes that there were A) 574,000 instances of voter fraud, and B) no voter fraud was committed by Trump voters.

No. Sane. Person.

 

[badmojo1006]

Where is Kellyanne Conway going to end up in the Trump WH? Trump would still be stuck in endless Twitter wars instead of the White House if not for her.

I have not seen her on any lists for WH jobs