Official Donald Trump for President thread (2 Viewers)

[Loan Sharks]

Well when they enact laws that make them appear as such, they kinda are.
Laws to block them from using bathrooms? Marriage? Not wanting to treat them equal?
Yes, those are neo-nazis.

DEFEND YOUR HATE!

Let me know when you get to a 1000 posts. You don't rate my attention pigeon.

 

[Gr00vus]

You say this as Democrats are rioting in the streets and have #NotMyPresident trending on Twitter for 5 days.  

"But don't remind us we lost or how bad our party sucks you loser Drumpf supporters!!!11!!1

Both are immature responses to the events at hand. There are people in here who didn't vote for Trump who are trying to genuinely understand how his Presidency might work in regard to making good on many things he campaigned on. It doesn't really help anyone to just dismiss those queries with a "you lost" response - they're discussions worth having.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

You say this as Democrats are rioting in the streets and have #NotMyPresident trending on Twitter for 5 days.  

"But don't remind us we lost or how bad our party sucks you loser Drumpf supporters!!!11!!1

Guy, we're trying to focus on MAGA. Who cares what a small bunch of minorities do. Oh sorry, "Democrats". Forgot to sugar coat it.

 

[sho nuff]

Well, not to nitpick here, but what is incorrect about this? Does he have any power at the moment--just curious. Can he appoint someone now--did I miss something here?

Admit it, you were wrong about everything---I mean literally everything. From he was going to steamrolled, to the down-ticket candidates paying in this election, to the stock market just collapsing. I mean please keep forecasting his failure.

I think it just eats at the Left, that he went and met the President and was gracious and said what a great man he was. I think it eats at the Left, that he may compromise on things instead of blowing them up. He is discussing appointees to his cabinet that yes, are Washington insiders--but if he picked newbies, you all would be on here mocking him for picking inexperienced people--just like you mocked him for being so inexperienced.  So no matter what he does the Left is going to complain and ultimately be proven wrong yet again.

So...on a message board and in this country we cant discuss his proposals ? 

The rest of your post is just the usual crap.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Well, not to nitpick here, but what is incorrect about this? Does he have any power at the moment--just curious. Can he appoint someone now--did I miss something here?

Admit it, you were wrong about everything---I mean literally everything. From he was going to steamrolled, to the down-ticket candidates paying in this election, to the stock market just collapsing. I mean please keep forecasting his failure.

I think it just eats at the Left, that he went and met the President and was gracious and said what a great man he was. I think it eats at the Left, that he may compromise on things instead of blowing them up. He is discussing appointees to his cabinet that yes, are Washington insiders--but if he picked newbies, you all would be on here mocking him for picking inexperienced people--just like you mocked him for being so inexperienced.  So no matter what he does the Left is going to complain and ultimately be proven wrong yet again.

You think when he compromises with the left, it will be the left complaining?

So when he doesn't build a wall, and he doesn't deport people, the left will be complaining? Not the people who voted for him on the premise that he was going to build a wall and deport people. Those voters, they'll be fine with that, it'll be the left that can't take it. Ok.

 

[Gr00vus]

I think it just eats at the Left, that he went and met the President and was gracious and said what a great man he was. I think it eats at the Left, that he may compromise on things instead of blowing them up. ... the Left is going to complain and ultimately be proven wrong yet again.

Well, you're dead wrong about the bolded. I'm happy to see both of those things. Gives me some hope he'll learn how to be a decent President. I guess those treating this as some sort of big game can put a couple in the wrong column for "the right" now. I'm not really interested in playing I told you so - I'm way more interested in continuing to make progress for all people in this country. I'm holding on to hope that can still happen even with Trump and Republican ownership of congress and, soon, the supreme court. But I'm going to be skeptical for a bit here until it starts playing out that way. I think that's fair.

 

[Dedfin]

Sheesh.  I was anti-Trump, but market was up this week right?  Calm the heck down.  Be open minded.

 

[GoBirds]

Well, not to nitpick here, but what is incorrect about this? Does he have any power at the moment--just curious. Can he appoint someone now--did I miss something here?

Admit it, you were wrong about everything---I mean literally everything. From he was going to steamrolled, to the down-ticket candidates paying in this election, to the stock market just collapsing. I mean please keep forecasting his failure.

I think it just eats at the Left, that he went and met the President and was gracious and said what a great man he was. I think it eats at the Left, that he may compromise on things instead of blowing them up. He is discussing appointees to his cabinet that yes, are Washington insiders--but if he picked newbies, you all would be on here mocking him for picking inexperienced people--just like you mocked him for being so inexperienced.  So no matter what he does the Left is going to complain and ultimately be proven wrong yet again.

Nailed it 

 

[Loan Sharks]

We have now a president who, among other immoral things, bragged about assaulting women and was endorsed by the KKK.  So lets disparage this group for demonstrating.

You don't have to drag Bill into this. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

I watched a preview of the 60 Minutes interview. Trump is going ahead with repeal and replace of Obamacare. But he promises that: 

1. The replacement will take place immediately upon the repeal- there will be no window of time between the two. 

2. The replacement will keep the pre-existing conditions language. 

3. The replacement will keep allowing children to stay on parents healthcare until 26. 

Reading this, I have no idea what Trump thinks he's "replacing". How do you pay for the pre-existing conditions without either an individual mandate or subsidies or single payer? You can't. 

Im beginning to think that Trump and the Republicans are going to replace ACA with ACA except it will be called by a different name so that their supporters can celebrate that Obamacare is dead. 

Tim this is exactly his health care plan he has been running for twenty years as laid out in his book and Reform party platform goals. 

 

[Courtjester]

So...on a message board and in this country we cant discuss his proposals ? 

The rest of your post is just the usual crap.

Oh so now you are interested in his proposals huh? For the past 8 months you have done nothing but attack people who have disagreed with you.. Maybe I can take some time today and go bump all your hate filled posts you have spewed over the span of this election. They won't be hard to find. I have been a Trump supporter who did attempt to engage you and others from your side on the issues and was met with nothing but name calling.  But now you pretend to be interested in what he has to say??  

 

[Loan Sharks]

Not spin at all. How do you keep the pre-existing conditions but get rid of Obamacare? Please explain how that works because I honestly don't get it. 

I don't know the particulars but I have always been under the impression that when you have a uninsurable pool it has to be rolled into an assigned risk market. That means medicaid/medicare. I think it is possible to take the pre ex out and cover them with a straight tax, thus removing the pyramid scheme from the public market and allowing it to function properly. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

Do people realize that Donald may have never personally bought insurance for himself or his company? The guy has no understanding of even the most basic practical aspect of insurance and he will be deciding this huge issue with the most informed people in the country bombarding him with claims and facts. Not to mention Pelosi could cut him slack on some issue and he could cut her slack on the ACA. Literally anything could happen.

I would recommend his book "The America we deserve" in which he lays out his plans for what he would do as president in detail. I think your assertion that President Trump has not put any thought into how health care should be governed is misplaced. 

President Trump has been saying since day one no one will die in the streets on his watch.

 

[Loan Sharks]

EU now formulating plans to form its own military.

Wow President Trump is already saving billions and he isn't even in office yet!

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Well, you're dead wrong about the bolded. I'm happy to see both of those things. Gives me some hope he'll learn how to be a decent President. I guess those treating this as some sort of big game can put a couple in the wrong column for "the right" now. I'm not really interested in playing I told you so - I'm way more interested in continuing to make progress for all people in this country. I'm holding on to hope that can still happen even with Trump and Republican ownership of congress and, soon, the supreme court. But I'm going to be skeptical for a bit here until it starts playing out that way. I think that's fair.

Guys who keep saying "the left, the left": please read what the guy is saying. Stop with the "they'll be wrong again!" nonsense already. People are genuinely interested in how we're moving forward. Since you "won", you can stop bringing up how much it's going to suck "for the left". You're missing the bigger point (unsurprisingly).

 

[Loan Sharks]

Serious question - does Trump know what the CBO is? He's about to find out.

I bet he doesn't President Trump is a stupid face. 

 

[The General]

I would recommend his book "The America we deserve" in which he lays out his plans for what he would do as president in detail. I think your assertion that President Trump has not put any thought into how health care should be governed is misplaced. 

President Trump has been saying since day one no one will die in the streets on his watch.

How does his plan save money and what is different?

 

[timschochet]

I don't know the particulars but I have always been under the impression that when you have a uninsurable pool it has to be rolled into an assigned risk market. That means medicaid/medicare. I think it is possible to take the pre ex out and cover them with a straight tax, thus removing the pyramid scheme from the public market and allowing it to function properly. 

So we take everyone with pre-existing conditions and put them on Medicare? Is that what Trump will propose? 

Let's say Im young and healthy. Why should so bother to buy health insurance at all? I'll just wait until I get sick, and the government will put me on Medicare. What's my incentive to buy insurance before that happens? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wow President Trump is already saving billions and he isn't even in office yet!

Don't worry, instability and loss of influence have their costs.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I would recommend his book "The America we deserve" in which he lays out his plans for what he would do as president in detail. I think your assertion that President Trump has not put any thought into how health care should be governed is misplaced. 

President Trump has been saying since day one no one will die in the streets on his watch.

Fair enough, good point.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Trump and the Republicans are going to replace ACA with ACA except it will be called by a different name so that their supporters can celebrate that Obamacare is dead. 

Called this a long time ago.

 

[timschochet]

I asked a specific question: how does he replace Obamacare yet keep the pre-existing conditions? 

I am not trying to attack Trump by asking this question. I am asking because it seems like an impossible fix to me other than going to full socialized health care. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Though promising 'no one will die on the streets' sounds an awful lot like tradional liberal policy. Obama is president and I've seen the number of homeless on my city's streets grow enormously. It just sounds like expansion of Medicare and more social spending with more poor results to me.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I asked a specific question: how does he replace Obamacare yet keep the pre-existing conditions? 

I am not trying to attack Trump by asking this question. I am asking because it seems like an impossible fix to me other than going to full socialized health care. 

Expand Medicare, which the Dems love.

And privatize HC.gov and create health savings accounts with decreased regulation, which Republicans love.

 

[Loan Sharks]

How does his plan save money and what is different?

Well with the ACA, they are forcing the unhealthy into the public market, this inflating the cost of the public market and then using tax dollars to pay down the inflated cost in the form of subsidies. By direct paying the subsidies to the medicare/medicaid system the cost would be the same but you would not have the inflation of the public market price. One of the reasons ACA failed is, it banked on companies making a profit that they could spread around via risk corridors, but it was based on false numbers. 

It will "cost" the same but will remove a lot of overhead and risk, when the risk to an insurer is lower (think predictable stock market) they are able to lower premiums. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well with the ACA, they are forcing the unhealthy into the public market, this inflating the cost of the public market and then using tax dollars to pay down the inflated cost in the form of subsidies. By direct paying the subsidies to the medicare/medicaid system the cost would be the same but you would not have the inflation of the public market price. One of the reasons ACA failed is, it banked on companies making a profit that they could spread around via risk corridors, but it was based on false numbers. 

It will "cost" the same but will remove a lot of overhead and risk, when the risk to an insurer is lower (think predictable stock market) they are able to lower premiums. 

So expand Medicare.

 

[The General]

Well with the ACA, they are forcing the unhealthy into the public market, this inflating the cost of the public market and then using tax dollars to pay down the inflated cost in the form of subsidies. By direct paying the subsidies to the medicare/medicaid system the cost would be the same but you would not have the inflation of the public market price. One of the reasons ACA failed is, it banked on companies making a profit that they could spread around via risk corridors, but it was based on false numbers. 

It will "cost" the same but will remove a lot of overhead and risk, when the risk to an insurer is lower (think predictable stock market) they are able to lower premiums. 

This sounds like expanded medicare. 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So expand Medicare.

How many House Republicans do you foresee voting in favor of this?

 

[timschochet]

Well with the ACA, they are forcing the unhealthy into the public market, this inflating the cost of the public market and then using tax dollars to pay down the inflated cost in the form of subsidies. By direct paying the subsidies to the medicare/medicaid system the cost would be the same but you would not have the inflation of the public market price. One of the reasons ACA failed is, it banked on companies making a profit that they could spread around via risk corridors, but it was based on false numbers. 

It will "cost" the same but will remove a lot of overhead and risk, when the risk to an insurer is lower (think predictable stock market) they are able to lower premiums. 

Please answer my follow up question then. You remove people with pre existing conditions from the marketplace, and you get rid of the individual mandate. Why should anyone healthy  buy insurance, if they know that when they get sick, the government will pay for it? 

Also, how much is this addition to Medicare going to add to the budget? How will it be paid for? Taxes, or do we simply increase the debt? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How many House Republicans do you foresee voting in favor of this?

That's what I'm talking about.

 

[HellToupee]

I asked a specific question: how does he replace Obamacare yet keep the pre-existing conditions? 

I am not trying to attack Trump by asking this question. I am asking because it seems like an impossible fix to me other than going to full socialized health care. 

I'm sure President Trump has a plan and will implement it when he officially takes over

 

[timschochet]

I'm sure President Trump has a plan and will implement it when he officially takes over

Awesome; looking forward to hearing it. 

 

[ffldrew]

Well with the ACA, they are forcing the unhealthy into the public market, this inflating the cost of the public market and then using tax dollars to pay down the inflated cost in the form of subsidies. By direct paying the subsidies to the medicare/medicaid system the cost would be the same but you would not have the inflation of the public market price. One of the reasons ACA failed is, it banked on companies making a profit that they could spread around via risk corridors, but it was based on false numbers. 

It will "cost" the same but will remove a lot of overhead and risk, when the risk to an insurer is lower (think predictable stock market) they are able to lower premiums. 

So expand Medicare.

Except Paul Ryan wants to gut Medicare and replace with vouchers - Trump is in the battle of his political life on this. Does he veto a gutting of Medicare? If he doesn't cave to the right on this he will be primaried - Ted Cruz is waiting in the wings. He'll only have 2 years to get this done - it's going to take a long time to rewrite/repeal/replace - the lobbyist knives are out and sacks of money are getting ready to change hands on the committees in Congress. He threaded the eye of the needle to get elected - that will seem like child's play vs Ryan/McConnell on ACA.

 

[sho nuff]

Oh so now you are interested in his proposals huh? For the past 8 months you have done nothing but attack people who have disagreed with you.. Maybe I can take some time today and go bump all your hate filled posts you have spewed over the span of this election. They won't be hard to find. I have been a Trump supporter who did attempt to engage you and others from your side on the issues and was met with nothing but name calling.  But now you pretend to be interested in what he has to say??  

When have we not talked about his proposals?  your statement in what i have done is patently false.  And again...this we were so attacked crap isn't fooling anyone.  Both sides went after each other.  Trump supporters callng people morons, idiots, cucks, losers over and over.

His proposals were discussed  and disagreed with often.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

They already tried expanding Medicaid in the states as part of the ACA (it's a major part of the bill), and many Republican states refused to go along with the expansion, in other words they didn't expand Medicaid even though it was going to be paid for by the federal government, not the states themselves. This refusal to expand Medicaid is a huge contributing factor to why the ACA isn't working, in those states in particular. 

So now, this is what we're doing? Following the ACA? Ok.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Except Paul Ryan wants to gut Medicare and replace with vouchers - Trump is in the battle of his political life on this. Does he veto a gutting of Medicare? If he doesn't cave to the right on this he will be primaried - Ted Cruz is waiting in the wings. He'll only have 2 years to get this done - it's going to take a long time to rewrite/repeal/replace - the lobbyist knives are out and sacks of money are getting ready to change hands on the committees in Congress. He threaded the eye of the needle to get elected - that will seem like child's play vs Ryan/McConnell on ACA.

Watch him go Executive Order.

 

[ffldrew]

He also needs to learn how to speak as President - are you telling me he just all of a sudden decided to leave the pre-existing conditions language and the grown children provisions alone after a conversation of 90 minutes with the President and change his mind? He'll set off firestorms in his coalition if he doesn't carefully craft some explanations better than this.

 

[Statorama]

I asked a specific question: how does he replace Obamacare yet keep the pre-existing conditions? 

I am not trying to attack Trump by asking this question. I am asking because it seems like an impossible fix to me other than going to full socialized health care. 

Only speculation on my part, but easing some of the qualifications for Medicaid seems like the only way to me.  You could carve out a secondary Medicaid solely for the "uninsurable", but that's making an already complicated system more complex.

 

[ffldrew]

Except Paul Ryan wants to gut Medicare and replace with vouchers - Trump is in the battle of his political life on this. Does he veto a gutting of Medicare? If he doesn't cave to the right on this he will be primaried - Ted Cruz is waiting in the wings. He'll only have 2 years to get this done - it's going to take a long time to rewrite/repeal/replace - the lobbyist knives are out and sacks of money are getting ready to change hands on the committees in Congress. He threaded the eye of the needle to get elected - that will seem like child's play vs Ryan/McConnell on ACA.

Watch him go Executive Order.

There is going to be a bill on his desk - he will have to sign it or veto it. He has no control over Ryan and McConnell - they are going to move so fast on stuff and Trump is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place real soon. And if it plays out the Republicans and Trump will own the destruction of Medicare in order to pass tax cuts for the rich. And that will be election suicide. He's fu#@$$#ed

 

[timschochet]

They already tried expanding Medicaid in the states as part of the ACA (it's a major part of the bill), and many Republican states refused to go along with the expansion, in other words they didn't expand Medicaid even though it was going to be paid for by the federal government, not the states themselves. This refusal to expand Medicaid is a huge contributing factor to why the ACA isn't working, in those states in particular. 

So now, this is what we're doing? Following the ACA? Ok.

Right but it won't be the ACA. We could call it Trumpcare. 

 

[Gr00vus]

That's what I'm talking about.

Another step towards single payer?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He also needs to learn how to speak as President - are you telling me he just all of a sudden decided to leave the pre-existing conditions language and the grown children provisions alone after a conversation of 90 minutes with the President and change his mind? He'll set off firestorms in his coalition if he doesn't carefully craft some explanations better than this.

It'll happen. We've been told he doesn't speak literally.

Guess what - everything a president says is taken literally. 

 

[The Football Freak]

Though promising 'no one will die on the streets' sounds an awful lot like tradional liberal policy. Obama is president and I've seen the number of homeless on my city's streets grow enormously. It just sounds like expansion of Medicare and more social spending with more poor results to me.

I'm not an Obama booster, but to be fair: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/new_orleans_reduces_homeless_n.html

As for the main point, I am starting to wonder if this will just end up be a Medicare expansion, too. I'm not sure his actions are going to meet up with his campaign rhetoric, which would be a nice silver lining.

 

[Gr00vus]

There is going to be a bill on his desk - he will have to sign it or veto it. He has no control over Ryan and McConnell - they are going to move so fast on stuff and Trump is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place real soon. And if it plays out the Republicans and Trump will own the destruction of Medicare in order to pass tax cuts for the rich. And that will be election suicide. He's fu#@$$#ed

I'm telling you - heel turn to Democrat for 2020.

 

[ffldrew]

There is going to be a bill on his desk - he will have to sign it or veto it. He has no control over Ryan and McConnell - they are going to move so fast on stuff and Trump is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place real soon. And if it plays out the Republicans and Trump will own the destruction of Medicare in order to pass tax cuts for the rich. And that will be election suicide. He's fu#@$$#ed

I'm telling you - heel turn to Democrat for 2016.

With Vince McMahon introducing him at the Democratic Convention

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There is going to be a bill on his desk - he will have to sign it or veto it. He has no control over Ryan and McConnell - they are going to move so fast on stuff and Trump is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place real soon. And if it plays out the Republicans and Trump will own the destruction of Medicare in order to pass tax cuts for the rich. And that will be election suicide. He's fu#@$$#ed

Possibly. He's never passed so much as a traffic light bill.

 

[sho nuff]

They already tried expanding Medicaid in the states as part of the ACA (it's a major part of the bill), and many Republican states refused to go along with the expansion, in other words they didn't expand Medicaid even though it was going to be paid for by the federal government, not the states themselves. This refusal to expand Medicaid is a huge contributing factor to why the ACA isn't working, in those states in particular. 

So now, this is what we're doing? Following the ACA? Ok.

Isnt that ine of the things they used against Kasich?   That he went along with the expansion?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Another step towards single payer?

If they replace parts of ACA by expanding Medicare/Medicaid it would absolutely be another half-step forward towards single-payer.

 

[Gr00vus]

If they replace parts of ACA by expanding Medicare/Medicaid it would absolutely be another half-step forward towards single-payer.

Wouldn't that be something.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm not an Obama booster, but to be fair: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/new_orleans_reduces_homeless_n.html

As for the main point, I am starting to wonder if this will just end up be a Medicare expansion, too. I'm not sure his actions are going to meet up with his campaign rhetoric, which would be a nice silver lining.

I'm well aware of the reporting, claims and plans. I'm just reporting what I see on the streets here. Multiple corners with one person on opposite corners. I can give you street locations.