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squistion said:
It sure as hell is.
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Nationalism.  Usually drilled into a Nations youths head in order to get them to do what?

What is it Tim and the rest of moderate America can't risk America to stop doing?

You know what you have drilled into the American youth you have not aborted?

You have drilled into them how racist ( which is the ultimate sin today ) this Nation is. 

This is the America you have raised.  

 
Dexter said:
Man featured in Time cover story on immigration reform is sentenced to 15 years in prison for child porn and sexually exploiting boy with brain cancer
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Just more proof that Trump's immigration ideas are not very well thought out, as this guy was neither Mexican nor Muslim.

 
sho nuff said:
:lmao:
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So why wasn't Saigon worth it yet 30k Americans ar waiting to get slaughtered in Seoul today?  That is like half the Vietnam wall right?  

It it is just lol post emojis on message boards 41 years after the last American chopper left Ho Chi Minh city. 

Whats even vent funnier is some 30 year old American would die today defending that same city against the Nation Japan raped. 

Yeah. Trump American foreign policy is rolling head emoji funny. 

 
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sho nuff said:
Is this even English?
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Let's see white boy. English

Racist. English. 

Union Workers. Mistreated  African American workers. Yep English. 

Racists are republicans. Yep English. 

Trump is a Yankee. 

MLK went to Selma because Yankees burned Atlanta on a road paved with Irishmen fresh off a boat. 

Im pretty sure that is English and historical. Sorry you like a lot of liberal America do not have a grasp of reality that has passed or that is present. 

Looks pretty English to me.  

Should I translate to your favorite non white language?

 
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The the reason why commies  like MLK ( yes the reparations wealth redistribution MLK has been ignored ) Yes the Martin Luther you all worship is worshiped as a god today is because of white America

The reason why there was a MLK to come down to Selma was because a lot of dead white people fresh off the boat paved a way to burn Atlanta. 
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There have been a lot of wonderful white people in the past and there are a lot of wonderful white people today - you unfortunately are not one of them.

 
timschochet said:
Nobody likes it but what is the alternative? If we leave Afghanistan the Taliban is going to come back. If they come back, they threaten Pakistan, which is a weak government with nuclear weapons. Then what? I'm not saying we should be there forever, but I know that we can't leave anytime soon. 

Even so, killing the leader of the Taliban is a big deal. It's a win for us. 
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Another stupid war I was against from day one.  What we were special forces to go in and hunt down Bin Laden instead of a full-scale war that could never be won.  You beat the Taliban, they either come back or someone else takes charge.  Obama was left with no choice but continue fighting the mess but there is not positive outcome.

As for killing Mansour...:yawn: it'll be back to fighting their new leader tomorrow.

Mansour assumed the leadership in July 2015, replacing Taliban founder and spiritual head Mullah Mohammad Omar.
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Dr Oadi said:
Define Trump supporters.  ( besides being obviously white racists) 
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I don't believe a majority of Trump supporters are racist. I believe they tolerate racism in the guy they are supporting, which is bad enough. 

There is, however, a minority of Trump supporters who are racist. Your ramblings in the past few hours have caused me to believe that you are part of that minority. 

 
cstu said:
Obama was left with no choice but continue fighting the mess but there is not positive outcome.
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Why?

What is the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq? And why are we bombing and inserting soldiers and supplying proxy wars in so many countries right now? The whole thing feels somewhat Vietnamish, but at least there there was the policy of containment and fighting communism. What is the policy now?

 
Dr Oadi said:
Let's see white boy. English

Racist. English. 

Union Workers. Mistreated  African American workers. Yep English. 

Racists are republicans. Yep English. 

Trump is a Yankee. 

MLK went to Selma because Yankees burned Atlanta on a road paved with Irishmen fresh off a boat. 

Im pretty sure that is English and historical. Sorry you like a lot of liberal America do not have a grasp of reality that has passed or that is present. 

Looks pretty English to me.  

Should I translate to your favorite non white language?
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Putting you on "ignore" b/c I'm done trying to translate this.

 
timschochet said:
My interests certainly don't match Trump supporters. 
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People against illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants are both selfishly looking out for themselves.

The United States, Mexico and China have always put their own country first.

I know you don't like it but it is human nature.

 
Dr Oadi said:
So why wasn't Saigon worth it yet 30k Americans ar waiting to get slaughtered in Seoul today?  That is like half the Vietnam wall right?  

It it is just lol post emojis on message boards 41 years after the last American chopper left Ho Chi Minh city. 

Whats even vent funnier is some 30 year old American would die today defending that same city against the Nation Japan raped. 

Yeah. Trump American foreign policy is rolling head emoji funny. 
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You claimed Trumps foreign policy makes sense.  He has zero clue about foreign policy and it makes as much sense as your rambling incoherent posts.

 
Dr Oadi said:
Let's see white boy. English

Racist. English. 

Union Workers. Mistreated  African American workers. Yep English. 

Racists are republicans. Yep English. 

Trump is a Yankee. 

MLK went to Selma because Yankees burned Atlanta on a road paved with Irishmen fresh off a boat. 

Im pretty sure that is English and historical. Sorry you like a lot of liberal America do not have a grasp of reality that has passed or that is present. 

Looks pretty English to me.  

Should I translate to your favorite non white language?
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:lmao:

 
What happened to the Trump can't beat Hillary idiots? They must have got a sniff of the latest polls. 

MAGA!!!

 
I like to lurk in this thread to read the crazy, but this is getting ridiculous. It's like Studs with extremist political beliefs. 

 
randall146 said:
I like to lurk in this thread to read the crazy, but this is getting ridiculous. It's like Studs with extremist political beliefs. 
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You should go lurk in the Hillary Clinton thread if you're into that.  A few of the locals there should probably be put in a padded room.

 
Ain't gonna happen

Trump and Clinton want to bring back millions of outsourced jobs – here’s why they can’t

 May 19, 2016 Editorial Staff 1652 Views  0 Comment
By Stephan Manning, University of Massachusetts Boston
& Marcus M. Larsen, Copenhagen Business School

One of the big themes in the current presidential race is how decades of free trade have dealt a heavy blow to the American worker as millions of jobs were shipped overseas to take advantage of cheap labor.

That’s even turned some pro free-trade Republicans into protectionists. As a result, the candidates are promising to bring these jobs back to the U.S. – whether by lowering taxes (Donald Trump), improving skills (Hillary Clinton) or building infrastructure (Bernie Sanders).

But can all these manufacturing, service and knowledge-intensive jobs that were outsourced or offshored to China, India and other places really be “brought back,” as the candidates seem to believe?

In short, no. Our own research suggests that many of those jobs are pretty much gone for good. And it has a lot to do with how the global economy works. Instead of hoping that firms eventually bring jobs back, the focus should be on developing a new type of worker with a skill set that takes advantage of the needs and reality of our increasingly globalized and networked economy.


History of offshoring


Offshoring of manufacturing took off in the 1980s, followed by offshoring of business services and knowledge work in the 1990s and 2000s.

Labor-cost advantages, increasing availability of qualified personnel abroad and advanced information and communication technology have made it attractive to create more jobs abroad rather than at home. Free trade agreements and the collapse of the Iron Curtain have also played a huge role. For example, estimates suggest that since 2001, 3.2 million jobs have been offshored from the U.S. to China alone.

Especially larger businesses in the U.S. and Western Europe have shifted a large proportion of their operations– from manufacturing to call centers, tech support, accounting and even innovation – to emerging economies where labor is still a fraction of the cost at home. In business services, for example, initial labor cost savings are reported to average between 20 percent and 40 percent.

Ten years ago, this trend led many U.S. economists, including Princeton’s Alan Blinder, to fear the loss of millions of jobs, in particular in technology and services, to developing countries. Maybe they were right about that. But is the trend reversible?

India is the undisputed leader of emerging markets to which developed economies are outsourcing high-technology jobs. Sherwin Crasto/Reuters

Reason for hope?


The presidential candidates aren’t the only ones who think it is.

The so-called “Reshoring Initiative,” launched in 2010 by entrepreneur and manufacturing expert Harry Moser, aims to encourage American companies to do just that: “reshore” jobs that were offshored – specifically in manufacturing.

And it claims the tide is already turning. About 67,000 manufacturing jobs were added in the U.S. in 2015, compared with only 12,000 in 2003, according to the Reshoring Initiative. Of course this is only half of the story, as companies also continue to create new jobs outside the U.S. For example, while Apple recently moved up to 2,000 jobs back to Arizona, it will keep investing “as aggressive as ever” in China.

But still: reshoring appears to be happening. And why? According to the Reshoring Initiative, wages in emerging economies are rising, which reduces cost advantages of going abroad. Plus many U.S. businesses are increasingly caught by serious offshoring challenges. Often, so-called hidden costs add up, such as unexpected quality problems and delays, language difficulties and coordination costs. For example, having encountered substantial delays and language issues with its Indian offshore tech support centers, Dell Inc. decided in 2003 to bring these activities back to the U.S..

If more companies took account of those hidden costs, the group argues, a vast number of jobs could be brought back.


Companies are global


But here’s where the argument runs aground.

While it’s true that many companies do encounter hidden costs when they ship jobs abroad, reshoring has been only one, rather rare response companies have used to mitigate them.

Instead, we find in our own studies that many businesses take those hidden costs as an opportunity to learn and develop more effective global coordination structures and capabilities that ultimately reduce them and make the companies more nimble as a result.

For example, several U.S. tech companies offshored tech support to Egypt in the 2000s. When the Internet broke down during the Arab Spring in 2008, these companies experienced serious delays. Clearly this was an unforeseen cost that could seriously hurt the bottom line by worsening customer service and leading to defections to rival businesses. But rather than reacting by reshoring those jobs in the U.S., where such a problem wouldn’t have occurred, these companies invested heavily in cloud technologies and other infrastructures that now allow them to swiftly move operations to other locations in case of disruptions.

In other words, companies like these doubled down on their global footprint while reducing their dependence on any one location, whether it is Egypt or the U.S., thus increasing their flexibility to deal with unexpected problems. This makes it even less likely they’ll bring those jobs home.

Tech companies that moved some jobs to Egypt faced disruptions during the Arab Spring.
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Global mindset


And this global mindset means U.S. locations have become less central for the operations of U.S.-based companies. In fact, companies from Cisco to Google now operate multiple global centers with rotating and flexible workforces.

Global outsourcing service providers, such as Accenture, IBM Global Services and Infosys, have been at the forefront of this development. In our recent study, we found that these firms have established global networks of operations that not only give them access to talent pools around the world but allow them to process client requests 24/7 by shifting work overnight to operations in a different time zone.

On top of that, face-to-face communication – both inside the firm and with external clients – is needed less and less thanks to advanced communication technology. For example, many firms today use videoconferencing tools such as telepresence, which creates virtual meeting rooms with multiple participants who, in reality, sit in offices around the world.


Jobs of the future


So what does this all mean for the U.S. and claims that a future president could bring these jobs back?

First, it’s best to accept that most jobs that were once offshored are gone and instead focus energies on preparing the workforce to get ready for the new global economy and take advantage of the jobs that will be up for grabs in the coming years. For example, significant technological advancements in robotics and 3D printing will clearly offer rich opportunities for domestic manufacturing and job growth.

Yet, to reap such opportunities, education and training are key – though in a different way than most people think. In today’s economy, generic STEM skills – in science, technology, engineering and math – can be easily replaced in emerging economies thanks to the increasing standardization of knowledge work and tech jobs around the world. What is needed instead is a more unique blend of qualifications combining local and global expertise, technical and interpersonal skills.

Certainly, U.S. workers need to be technically trained at the highest standard. But this is not enough as emerging economies are catching up fast. Thanks to population growth and improving education, India and China produce more than 10 times as many science and engineering graduates as the U.S. That is why U.S. workers also need to be equipped with strong interpersonal and leadership skills as well as local expertise to remain competitive.

More specifically, they need to learn to work in international and intercultural teams, lead local and remote staff, and become intimately familiar with both local and global client needs and supplier expectations, so theycannot be so easily replaced.

Therefore, old recipes, such as lowering corporate taxes, investing in infrastructure and technical training, will barely help the U.S. bring back old jobs. Nor will “building new walls” make the U.S. less dependent on foreign talent pools and expertise.

The focus instead needs to be on preparing a U.S. workforce for an economy that is increasingly globally connected.
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Dexter said:
So I had to look it up. People pledged 6 million which is the number he quoted but only actually gave 4.5 million. of which 2.7ish million has already been paid out.

How much did Hillary raise? How much did Bernie raise?  

Listen to yourselves. Yeah it sucks the people who pledged didn't donate but that's not Trumps fault. He still raised MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Which is more than any of you or the other candidates have done.

Shame on you. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
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Trump's own campaign can't answer if Trump has honored his pledge of $1 million.

That is sad.

 
Dr Oadi said:
If not for the racism....

This is why the democrats will lose. 

The the reason why commies  like MLK ( yes the reparations wealth redistribution MLK has been ignored ) Yes the Martin Luther you all worship is worshiped as a god today is because of white America

The reason why there was a MLK to come down to Selma was because a lot of dead white people fresh off the boat paved a way to burn Atlanta. 

The Yankees won. 

Trump is a yankee. 

The racists name calling that always worked on republicans don't sound just right to a Yankee Union worker. 

Maybe something is off here.  Surely there is some poor oppressed African American who has been treated unjustly by this 21rst century Hitler. 

Must be saving that for an October surprise.  

Racist!

Im white. Yes I'm White.  I don't really care. I'm white in America with a ####.   I'm supposed to watch Roots this weekend and cry. YES WHITE BOY YOU ARE. 
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Is this Sarah Palin? Word salad.

 
Trump's locked in for what, 30% of the popular vote?  He just has to convince another 20% or so and he wins.  I think Hillary's locked in number is much lower and the disdain for Trump seems to be lessening with time.  Plus he's been in so long now that people are actually starting to take him seriously.

It's pretty crazy actually.  If the Dems lose to The Donald, ooofffff.

 
Widbil83 said:
You should go lurk in the Hillary Clinton thread if you're into that. A few of the locals there should probably be put in a padded room.
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Why do Trump supporters constantly rebut with "But look at Hillary/Hillary supporters!". Do you guys really not realize how awful of a line that is when debating? If you murder someone, your attorney isn't going to stand in front of a judge and go "Well, I know this other guy who murdered someone.".

Hillary, Trump and their supporters. You all ####### suck.

 
James Daulton said:
Trump's locked in for what, 30% of the popular vote?  He just has to convince another 20% or so and he wins.  I think Hillary's locked in number is much lower and the disdain for Trump seems to be lessening with time.  Plus he's been in so long now that people are actually starting to take him seriously.
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"He just has to convince another 20% of voters to vote for him!" is easy to write but not easy to pull off. Trump has had 6 months to get that mythical 20% but so far his numbers have barely budged.

Trump's current poll numbers are artificially inflated by Sanders supporters who refuse to admit defeat, just as Hillary's poll numbers were artificially inflated by Cruz supporters who refused to admit defeat.

Well, by now most of the Cruz supporters have accepted Trump -- and the best Trump can do is a statistical tie with Hillary.

That's not good for Trump. It basically means that his only chance is for Bernie and his supporters to keep pushing their agenda all the way through to November. And even if that happens, the state-by-state polls still favor Hillary.

 
Just What Were Donald Trump's Ties to the Mob?


I've spent years investigating, and here's what's known.

...But Trump was not clean as a whistle. Beginning three years earlier, he’d hired mobbed-up firms to erect Trump Tower and his Trump Plaza apartment building in Manhattan, including buying ostensibly overpriced concrete from a company controlled by mafia chieftains Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno and Paul Castellano. That story eventually came out in a federal investigation, which also concluded that in a construction industry saturated with mob influence, the Trump Plaza apartment building most likely benefited from connections to racketeering. Trump also failed to disclose that he was under investigation by a grand jury directed by the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn, who wanted to learn how Trump obtained an option to buy the Penn Central railroad yards on the West Side of Manhattan.

...After graduating in 1968 from the University of Pennsylvania, a rich young man from the outer boroughs of New York City sought his fortune on the island of Manhattan. Within a few years Donald J. Trump had made friends with the city’s most notorious fixer, lawyer Roy Cohn, who had become famous as lead counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy. Among other things Cohn was now a mob consigliere, with clients including “Fat Tony” Salerno, boss of the Genovese crime family, the most powerful Mafia group in New York, and Paul Castellano, head of what was said to be the second largest family, the Gambinos.

This business connection proved useful when Trump began work on what would become Trump Tower, the 58-story highrise where he still lives when he’s not at his Florida estate.

...The indictment on which Salerno was convicted in 1988 and sent to prison, where he died, listed the nearly $8 million contract for concrete at Trump Plaza, an East Side high-rise apartment building, as one of the acts establishing that S &A was part of a racketeering enterprise.

(While the concrete business was central to the case, the trial also proved extortion, narcotics, rigged union elections and murders by the Genovese and Gambino crime families in what Michael Chertoff, the chief prosecutor, called “the largest and most vicious criminal business in the history of the United States.'') ...
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

- Fat Tony.

- Trump was under grand jury investigation.

 
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[scooter] said:
Just more proof that Trump's immigration ideas are not very well thought out, as this guy was neither Mexican nor Muslim.
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ILLEGAL!!! If you think his policies only apply to Muslim or Mexicans it's no wonder you're against him because you don't actually listen or read anything he actually says.

ANYONE can come here as long as they do it legally. WITH IN OUR LAWS!  

 
Dexter said:
ILLEGAL!!! If you think his policies only apply to Muslim or Mexicans it's no wonder you're against him because you don't actually listen or read anything he actually says.

ANYONE can come here as long as they do it legally. WITH IN OUR LAWS!  
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People either hear only what they want to hear or only listen to people who say what they want to hear. It shouldn't be this difficult. 

 
What have you done? I'm guessing you havent come close to anything Trump has done for the troops. But let me guess, in your mind Trump hasn't done enough...
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I can't kick a field goal but I know Josh Scobee sucks.

 
Joe Summer said:
Trump proposed banning legal Muslim immigrants.

And in any case, the Jewish child porn guy did come to America legally.
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That would mean the law would have to be changed. So what excatly is your point. I'll tell you mine. If you want to come to this country you have to do it within the law.

He is/was at the time an illegal.

 
dparker713 said:
I'm guessing he's never promised to donate money to the troops and then not done so.
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Oh are we just making stuff up now? I guess when the truth doesn't work just go straight Clinton and lie.

 
Dexter said:
That would mean the law would have to be changed. So what excatly is your point. I'll tell you mine. If you want to come to this country you have to do it within the law.

He is/was at the time an illegal.
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Ok right now the law allows per the law itself 700,000 people per year.

If Trump was president what would have been different that would have kept this guy in Time out of the country?

 
He is/was at the time an illegal.
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The guy who was arrested for child porn came into the United States LEGALLY. None of Trump's dozens of random and contradictory immigration proposals would have prevented him from coming into the country.

 
Dexter said:
What have you done? I'm guessing you havent come close to anything Trump has done for the troops. But let me guess, in your mind Trump hasn't done enough...  :rolleyes:
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During the midst of Iraq, a group of friends and I sent a packages via Any Soldier several times a year. When two of our friend were deployed from the Air National Guard, we helped their families with yard work, repairs, babysitting, etc. Not much, I know, but I'm not a billionaire.

And when I make a pledge, I honor it by, you know, making an actual donation.

 
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