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Executive Order stating all golf must be played on Trump courses.
Hey if PGA events are now public property then I'm sure we all get to play on Trump courses now too free of charge, right?

Chavez seized all the golf courses. Just sayin'.

Actually my golf game is a public crime, so in a way this makes sense.

 
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The PGA is the worst golf tour in the history of the world, OK? They're just disgusting. The eGolf Professional Tour is way better, a million times better than that terrible PGA tour, OK? And they're totally unfair to me, and they're the most dishonest golf tour out there. I don't even want to be associated with them.

 
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How are you defining "landslide win"?
Biggest in my adult voting lifetime.  I'm 43.  Thanks to the rampant partisan BS going on now (on both sides), we'll likely never see true "landslide" wins like Reagan / Nixon / LBJ achieved, but Hillary is easily going to have a bigger electoral margin than Bill Clinton or Obama ever did -- and none of those four elections were remotely close contests.  Part of that is due to the fact that the rapidly changing ethnic demographics of the country are making it harder for the Republican party to compete nationally every cycle, of course, but a bigger part of it is that Trump himself is a braying fool who has based his campaign around attacking the groups that the party most needs to attract in order to be competitive moving forward.

 
I couldn't care less......I just enjoy you all being consistently wrong...and jabbing you in the ribs when you are... By the way, the Trump supporters don't have to convince themselves of anything....He has already done what you all said he couldn't... So if anything the haters may want to lay a little bit low as to avoid looking ridiculous again..
Impossible to look as ridiculous as someone willing to support Trump.

 
The single best part of this year's election is seeing all of the blindly partisan Republican shills who have been frothing at the mouth over "Socialist Obama" for eight years lining up to support a guy who is waaaaaaay more liberal then the neo-con in Democratic guise he's running against.

 
The single best part of this year's election is seeing all of the blindly partisan Republican shills who have been frothing at the mouth over "Socialist Obama" for eight years lining up to support a guy who is waaaaaaay more liberal then the neo-con in Democratic guise he's running against.
Thirty years of kneeling at the altar of the free market, and now they cheer a guy who wants the federal government to control everything from the PGA Tour to what the Starbucks barista says to you when they hand you your coffee during the holiday season.

 
Biggest in my adult voting lifetime.  I'm 43.  Thanks to the rampant partisan BS going on now (on both sides), we'll likely never see true "landslide" wins like Reagan / Nixon / LBJ achieved, but Hillary is easily going to have a bigger electoral margin than Bill Clinton or Obama ever did -- and none of those four elections were remotely close contests.  Part of that is due to the fact that the rapidly changing ethnic demographics of the country are making it harder for the Republican party to compete nationally every cycle, of course, but a bigger part of it is that Trump himself is a braying fool who has based his campaign around attacking the groups that the party most needs to attract in order to be competitive moving forward.
Hard to disagree with most of what you wrote.  I agree that we won't be seeing anymore Reaganesque landslide wins.  Certainly never again by the Republicans.  Perhaps by the Democrats a few decades from now as America's demographics continue to shift, but by then I'd expect that we'd see some splintering within the Democrat Party among competing groups who feel like the Democrats no longer best represent their interests.

I'd disagree, though, that Trump is causing the Republicans to lose a significant number of minority votes.  Trump is certainly alienating minority groups, but if you graph the minority vote over the past three Presidential elections it has been steadily increasing toward the Democrats among all minority groups.  Romney, in particular, got trounced among blacks, Hispanics, and Asians and he didn't say anything that could be considered specifically racially or ethnically divisive.

 
Hard to disagree with most of what you wrote.  I agree that we won't be seeing anymore Reaganesque landslide wins.  Certainly never again by the Republicans.  Perhaps by the Democrats a few decades from now as America's demographics continue to shift, but by then I'd expect that we'd see some splintering within the Democrat Party among competing groups who feel like the Democrats no longer best represent their interests.

I'd disagree, though, that Trump is causing the Republicans to lose a significant number of minority votes.  Trump is certainly alienating minority groups, but if you graph the minority vote over the past three Presidential elections it has been steadily increasing toward the Democrats among all minority groups.  Romney, in particular, got trounced among blacks, Hispanics, and Asians and he didn't say anything that could be considered specifically racially or ethnically divisive.
I don't know -- I really think that a young, charasmatic Republican who ditched the social conservatism and focused on fiscal policy would win fairly easily against Hillary this year -- although maybe I'm just projecting myself onto the general public too much.  And IMO the difference is that Romney was running against a remarkably talented politician who most of the country sees as a pretty good President.  Hillary just sucks and isn't even remotely comparable -- I think that a Romney-type would have beaten her personally.

 
I don't know -- I really think that a young, charasmatic Republican who ditched the social conservatism and focused on fiscal policy would win fairly easily against Hillary this year -- although maybe I'm just projecting myself onto the general public too much.  And IMO the difference is that Romney was running against a remarkably talented politician who most of the country sees as a pretty good President.  Hillary just sucks and isn't even remotely comparable -- I think that a Romney-type would have beaten her personally.
Fiscal policy doesn't motivate the average voter.  Too cerebral.  Emotional arguments that play to identity work far better than policy arguments.  That's why the Democrats use identity politics so successfully, and Trump has flourished by dumping the standard GOP talk of social values and fiscal conservatism and instead appealing to the working class, predominantly the white working class, in a populist, nationalist manner.  

Jeb tried to run on fiscal policy and was dead in the water.  Granted, Jeb may have even less charisma than Ben Carson which is a near impossibility.

A young, charismatic, minority Republican would probably be able to trounce the old, stodgy, white Democrat in a general election, but Republicans aren't typically minority nor charismatic.  Possible solution.

 
Trump University: Sales strategy foreshadowed campaign


Grand promises. Boundless boasts. Absolute faith in the man behind it all.

The strategies that Donald Trump's now-defunct educational company used to woo customers have plenty of echoes of the presumptive Republican nominee's current pitch to voters, based on newly disclosed court documents about Trump University. Hillary Clinton leapt on the parallels Wednesday, using them to cast Trump as a "fraud" who peddles false promises to Americans but cares only about his personal gain.

... The new details about Trump University were revealed in documents released Tuesday as part of a trio of lawsuits accusing the businessman of fleecing students with unfulfilled promises to provide secrets of real estate success. Plaintiffs contend the organization gave seminars and classes across the country that constantly pressured customers to buy more and more but failed to deliver on promises of financial success.

...The documents released ahead of the trial underscore that, like the businessman's presidential campaign, the selling point of Trump University was its namesake's unshakeable self-confidence and his own personal success story.

The program's 2009 playbook boasts that Trump is "the most celebrated entrepreneur on earth. He makes more money in a day than most people do in a lifetime." Another manual boasts, "The Trump University Team is truly the best of the best, however Retreat & Special Events Team Members are the crème de la crème of the best of the best."

The playbooks, which are guides for those running the Trump University seminars, are chock-full of advice on how to seal the deal with prospective students, including painstakingly specific instructions on seminar room setups and music selections, reminiscent of the attention to detail given to the stagecraft at the candidate's signature campaign rallies.

An operating guide for supervisors contains "Sales Wisdoms" that appear to echo Trump's speaking strategy at his rallies at which he rails about the nation's problems — from immigration to trade deals to the death of the American dream — without offering much in the way of specific solutions.

"When you talk to customers, it usually works best if the subject is problems," one document reads. Another declares, "The customers must perceive the problem." And a third makes clear, "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions — you sell feelings."

The Trump University material also seems to foreshadow Trump's run-ins with the media, offering tips for what organizers should do if a reporter attempts to conduct an interview at a seminar. Among the guidelines: "You don't have to deliver what the reporter wants" and "Reporters are rarely on your side and they are not sympathetic."

...While details about the business did little to slow Trump in the primary, Clinton allies say GOP candidates were too slow in raising concerns and inconsistent in their attacks. Clinton aides have vowed to avoid repeating those mistakes and officials said that Wednesday marked the beginning of a concerted campaign on the subject.

The centerpieces of the Trump-owned education organization were pricey seminars and other offerings that promised to share his business insights. Trump University offered a three-day seminar for $1,495, using it as a springboard to sell more expensive "Trump Elite" packages for up to $34,995 a year.

Trump University's core customers are identified in the documents as male heads of households between 40 and 54 years old with annual household incomes of at least $90,000, a college education and a net worth of more than $200,000.

"If they complain about the price, remind them that Trump is the BEST!! This is the last real estate investment they will ever need to make," a playbook read. For those who have hit credit limits, employees are told to suggest they dip into savings or identify other "seed capital."

The playbook declared, "Money is never a reason for not enrolling in Trump University; if they really believe in you and your product, they will find the money."
http://bigstory.ap.org/1114b455bc25410ab5cc4f11017af2c6

 
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The GOP has had record levels of success the 6 years.
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
And the GOP are masters of appealing to these people.  Obama nailed Trump's campaign nearly 100%.

 
The GOP has had record levels of success the 6 years.
The GOP has had record levels of success controlling state legislatures, Governorships, and Congressional seats in states and districts where there is a white majority.  Part of that is the GOP playing to the identity of that base (which is wise politics), and part of it is the white working class increasingly fleeing the Democrats because they see that party as increasingly and explicitly focusing on other identity blocs.

The Democrats, however, are dominating minority-majority districts, dominating the minority vote in districts they lose, and are dominating the minority vote in Presidential elections because identity appeals work.  

 
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mark-cubans-questions-if-trump-is-actually-a-billionaire?utm_term=.xpv3EGrAM7#.quXl945AEj

- So this directly addresses 1. Trump's judgement (it stinks), and 2. how rich Donald is. Hey I'd love to be in that neighborhood but he's apparently lying to people by a factor of about 50+ X.
Not necessarily. Most of Trump's money is likely in real estate, not "cash, securities, and bonds."  All Cubans is saying is he has more of one kind of wealth than Trump does. Just a n attack piece with half-truths.

 
The GOP has had record levels of success controlling state legislatures, Governorships, and Congressional seats in states and districts where there is a white majority.  Part of that is the GOP playing to the identity of that base (which is wise politics), and part of it is the white working class increasingly fleeing the Democrats because they see that party as increasingly and explicitly focusing on other identity blocs.

The Democrats, however, are dominating minority-majority districts, dominating the minority vote in districts they lose, and are dominating the minority vote in Presidential elections because identity appeals work.  
What's with the 'identity appeals' code language?  Democrats are pushing for equality for everyone - why does this threaten working class whites?

 
The GOP has had record levels of success the 6 years.
And everywhere they gain power people hate them intensely. We are nearly to torches and pitchforks in Kansas. My priorities are getting my son through college and retiring decently and Brownback has basically wiped his ### with my hopes and dreams. 

 
What's with the 'identity appeals' code language?  Democrats are pushing for equality for everyone - why does this threaten working class whites?
It's a combination of trhe Democratic solution for equality plus open borders that working class whites find threatening to their jobs, IMO

 
And everywhere they gain power people hate them intensely. We are nearly to torches and pitchforks in Kansas. My priorities are getting my son through college and retiring decently and Brownback has basically wiped his ### with my hopes and dreams. 
Funny, I'm in the same position more or less. The financial crisis hit me hard - took years to recover to the point where I can retire comfortably, but I see the culprits in both parties.

 
It's a combination of trhe Democratic solution for equality plus open borders that working class whites find threatening to their jobs, IMO
There were Republican Presidents for 20 out of 28 years between 1980 and 2008 but it's the Democrats fault that nothing was done about illegal immigration.

 
Not necessarily. Most of Trump's money is likely in real estate, not "cash, securities, and bonds."  All Cubans is saying is he has more of one kind of wealth than Trump does. Just a n attack piece with half-truths.
Typical loan to value on commercial property is 70% so the question is how much equity does he actually have in the buildings he 'owns'?

 
The Mexican convenience/party supply store I drive by on my way to/from work everyday can't keep enough Trump pinatas in stock. Everyday there's 2 or 3 hung up outside the entry along with some Doras and some Minions as I pass by on my trip to work. Everyday there's none outside the entry on my way home. The Doras and the Minions are still there. Just proves how much latinos love Trump.

 
Typical loan to value on commercial property is 70% so the question is how much equity does he actually have in the buildings he 'owns'?
Also the owner of the propoerties is likely not Trump himself, but a closely held corporation or limited liability company in which he holds some stake.  I'm not an accountant, so I don't know if that stake would show up in the federal election reports on his holdings.

 
The Mexican convenience/party supply store I drive by on my way to/from work everyday can't keep enough Trump pinatas in stock. Everyday there's 2 or 3 hung up outside the entry along with some Doras and some Minions as I pass by on my trip to work. Everyday there's none outside the entry on my way home. The Doras and the Minions are still there. Just proves how much latinos love Trump.
Few more taco bowls and they'll be on board.

 
Not necessarily. Most of Trump's money is likely in real estate, not "cash, securities, and bonds."  All Cubans is saying is he has more of one kind of wealth than Trump does. Just a n attack piece with half-truths.
If you're taking paper wealth and assets real and intangible yeah I agree but if he does that he better show his debt and how much of those assets are leveraged as well. It sounds like the guy is addicted to borrowing and to the rush that goes with putting his name on a brand.

 
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Also the owner of the propoerties is likely not Trump himself, but a closely held corporation or limited liability company in which he holds some stake.  I'm not an accountant, so I don't know if that stake would show up in the federal election reports on his holdings.
He can claim it if he's a part owner. People do this with borrowing all the time. Shell companies with estimated value or companies where title is co-owned but either noting is possessed or it's just a share of the total value while the whole value is claim. Boom this is what you're worth, these are your assets you can leverage and here comes the cash.

 
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There were Republican Presidents for 20 out of 28 years between 1980 and 2008 but it's the Democrats fault that nothing was done about illegal immigration.
It is their policy, not their actions being discussed here.

 
I don't know -- I really think that a young, charasmatic Republican who ditched the social conservatism and focused on fiscal policy would win fairly easily against Hillary this year -- although maybe I'm just projecting myself onto the general public too much.  And IMO the difference is that Romney was running against a remarkably talented politician who most of the country sees as a pretty good President.  Hillary just sucks and isn't even remotely comparable -- I think that a Romney-type would have beaten her personally.
Shouldn't that be Coeur d'Leon?

 
Typical loan to value on commercial property is 70% so the question is how much equity does he actually have in the buildings he 'owns'?
All I was saying is that Cubans was being disingenuous in his comparison by comparing only certain kinds of assets, not total net worth.

 
If you're taking paper wealth and assets real and intangible yeah I agree but if he does that he better show his debt and how much of those assets are leveraged as well. It sounds like the guy is addicted to borrowing and to the rush that goes with putting his name on a brand.
Which is why anything other than comparing net worth is so misleading.

 
Data schmata, who needs a 21st century campaign.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/281934-trumps-aversion-to-data-puts-rnc-on-the-hot-seat

This is like an NFL coach saying his team won't look at film.
He has the same philosophy when it comes to policy, where he's also visceral and a mile-wide and an inch deep. By his own admission, he just needs to consult himself.

On foreign policy: "I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are... But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."

 
She's a nice looking woman least you can do is turn the sound off.

Actually Kelly is the one tv anchor to address Trump directly and confront him on his stupidity. She also is the only anchor to not take call-ins. And it doesn't look like she has folded. Even in her little Barbara Walters sit down with him she played back his comments on Iraq and confronted him with it, which was pretty funny.
She shouldn't have cut the hair.  Big mistake.

 
He has the same philosophy when it comes to policy, where he's also visceral and a mile-wide and an inch deep. By his own admission, he just needs to consult himself.

On foreign policy: "I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are... But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
So no assistant coaches either, great. Sounds like `72 Saints.

 
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