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I will meet you at she let a few people on her plane from the press to ask a few questions that might or might not have been planned to be able to squash the argument against her avoiding holding press conferences. At that point, it's not worth arguing further IMO. The first debate is in a few days, anyways. Not a Hillary fan, but not a Trump fan either. Not a Bernie fan either, but respect him a lot more than Hillary or Trump because he was genuine. Leaning Gary Johnson because he aligns most with my views, and to get in front of the throw away vote thing, it's how I feel and it aligns with my politics...I'll feel free to vote that way in a democratic election having actually done some research into how I feel. Hillary just gives me the feel that her campaign is running under the mantra of, "Keep her out of all completely non-rehearsed situations possible." Something doesn't feel right about that.
This was a different event.  She did what you describe a couple times, and then held what can't be considered anything other than a press conference, at a podium, fielding questions.

I agree with your criticism of the openness of her campaign, although I think it's more about distrust of the press than on a need to stay in rehearsed situations. And in any event I prefer that to speaking freely but also lying freely, not answering questions freely, and then rejecting all follow-up questions asked of the campaign.  If we're going to let our candidates get away with that, I don't really see much value in those unrehearsed situations anyway.

 
By definition, you might be correct.  But the logic falls apart because it's focused on narrowly defining terms instead of considering impacts. To use a non-political analogy: If the wind blows during one team's field goal attempt but is calm for the second team's field goal attempt, it has helped the second team.  And that is pretty much exactly what you are doing. You're presenting obstacles for and opposition to one candidacy while refusing to do the same for the other.
I just call 'em like I see 'em. I have no allegiance to any party, faction, or clique. If a candidate is so flawed that valid criticism kills his or her campaign that is the fault of the candidate and their underlying flaws. Not the critic.

 
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I just call 'em like I see 'em. I have no allegiance to any party, faction, or clique. If a candidate is so flawed that valid criticism kills his or her campaign that is the fault of the candidate and their underlying flaws. Not the critic.
I think we might have simply been differing on semantics.  Maybe applying criticism unevenly or holding the candidates to different standards doesn't "support" Trump in a public forum so much as it "assists" him.  Do you agree that it does that?

 
I think we might have simply been differing on semantics.  Maybe applying criticism unevenly or holding the candidates to different standards doesn't "support" Trump in a public forum so much as it "assists" him.  Do you agree that it does that?
Possibly. In this specific case I can't really imagine I'm doing much to assist Trump given that (A) no one reading these threads is changing their mind and (B) while I've hit Clinton harder on honesty and transparency I've hit Trump harder on being a terrible human being.

But as a more general proposition, sure I can understand better where you are coming from if you want to talk about assistance rather than support.

 
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Possibly. In this specific case I can't really imagine I'm doing much to assist Trump given that (A) no one reading these threads is changing their mind and (B) while I've hit Clinton harder on honesty and transparency I've hit Trump harder on being a terrible human being.

But as a more general proposition, sure I can understand better where you are coming from if you want to talk about assistance rather than support.
If I'm not mistaken I think we just reached friendly agreement regarding each other's perspective. It's an internet miracle.

 
Possibly. In this specific case I can't really imagine I'm doing much to assist Trump given that (A) no one reading these threads is changing their mind and (B) while I've hit Clinton harder on honesty and transparency I've hit Trump harder on being a terrible human being.

But as a more general proposition, sure I can understand better where you are coming from if you want to talk about assistance rather than support.
Assist and support are synonyms. 

 
I thought semantics chat was over but I guess not. Supporting a candidate requires active intent. Many things can assist a candidate, including things are unrelated or only tangentially related to a campaign.
I was not taking a side, just pointing out they are literally synonyms. Assisting someone can or cannot also involve active intent. Many things can also support a candidate, including things that are unrelated or only tangentially related to campaign.  

I'm certainly not trying to talk you into any opinion, but just pointing out that you're saying I don't want six, I want half a dozen. That was my only point.  You seem to be comfortable with the same concept either way, but are hung up on your perceived semantics over synonyms.

 
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Trump will also propose deductions for child care.

He's up to something.
This one is genius.  

It sounds like a pro-working class proposal.  If you oppose it, you hate children and working families.

Making it a deduction instead of tax credit means it will Ivanka and Donald Jr. will get a tax break for the cost of their nannies, but families stretched thin by child care costs won't benefit from it at all.

ETA: turns out Donald Jr. has young children, too.  Thanks to cstu for mentioning this.

 
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After mocking Lauer's performance for the better part of four minutes, Bee really settled on the core issue concerning journalists in this election.

"The truth is Matt Lauer did a fantastic job at the meaningless campaign coverage we've come to demand from our media," she said. "At some point, networks decided that they can ask questions and the answers would just be someone else's problem."
Honestly is there anyone Hillary would have rather had moderate that event?

 
Honestly is there anyone Hillary would have rather had moderate that event?
Seriously?  Come on.  That's the worst possible scenario for her.

Clinton is certainly not the picture of truthfulness, consistency, or straightforward answers to questions. But compared to Trump she certainly is.  Her preferred moderator is someone that presses the candidates on their answers and challenges them to defend previous statements and positions. That sort of questioning might be a problem for her in a vacuum, but if Trump faces the same type of challenges it's her dream come true.

 
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She pointed to the lack of fact-checking in covering the election. ..

Yet just as Bee decided that journalists aren't preparing themselves for the issues that have come up in this presidential election, she also identified why that may be.

"The problem is news organizations are simply not equipped to cover a candidate whose entire being is a lie," she proposed, referring to Trump. "Maintaining the image of fairness requires them to portray Hillary and Trump as equally flawed candidates, even though they know that's incorrect."


I think what people are seeing is that reporters really aren't always that competent. And they often don't care about ethics.

There is a lot of incompetence. But also they really should not be parenthetically telling people oh hey this politician is full of it. That's not so much about Trump but the 99.999% other politicians. Whatever rule they apply to Trump they have to apply to everyone else. Are they going to do that? No.

As far as corruption is concerned, how often do reporters really report on it? Many reporters just feel that giving/getting money is part of the system and you know what they benefit from it. The reporters play the inside game all the time, so why bite the hand that feeds them. See a politician go down and then watch the wolves descend, all the bag of secrets is emptied when it no longer matters.

And I think they view lying as part of the political game too. So they play along.

And so while it's true that Trump is so brazenly full of insanely horrible lies and also proliferates them so, so fast that it is hard for reporters to keep up, the thing is they are just not wired this way. I think that the reporting profession has been hollowed out in this way for some time and whaddyaknow here comes the Wizard of Oz to take advantage of it, it was a shell of a wall and he's just driven his big circus truck right through it.

 
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This one is genius.  

It sounds like a pro-working class proposal.  If you oppose t, you hate children and working families.

Making it a deduction instead of tax credit means it will Ivanka will get a tax break for the cost of her nannies, but families stretched thin by child care costs won't benefit from it at all.
Donald Trump Jr. has 5 kids under 10.

 
Seriously?  Come on.  That's the worst possible scenario for her.

Clinton is certainly not the picture of truthfulness, consistency, or straightforward answers to questions. But compared to Trump she certainly is.  Her preferred moderator is someone that presses the candidates on their answers and challenges them to defend previous statements and positions. That sort of questioning might be a problem for her in a vacuum, but if Trump faces the same type of challenges it's her dream come true.
Yeah I meant in terms of Lauer's viewpoint and what I would think would be his leaning towards her, but actually I think you're right, she would have rathered a serious newsperson. So I'm not sure what happened here, IMO an infotainment guy like Lauer should never have been hosting that sort of thing anyway. Did that actually count as one of the three "debates"?

 
Seriously?  Come on.  That's the worst possible scenario for her.

Clinton is certainly not the picture of truthfulness, consistency, or straightforward answers to questions. But compared to Trump she certainly is.  Her preferred moderator is someone that presses the candidates on their answers and challenges them to defend previous statements and positions. That sort of questioning might be a problem for her in a vacuum, but if Trump faces the same type of challenges it's her dream come true.
I would have liked Don Lemon to get one of the debate moderator slots.  He manages to stay smooth on air, but there are moments when it seems like if he has to hear one more illogical spin from Betsy McCaughey or one more condescending statement inconsistent with Trump's actual words from Kellyanne Conway he's gonna cut a ##### right there on live TV. 

 
Yeah I meant in terms of Lauer's viewpoint and what I would think would be his leaning towards her, but actually I think you're right, she would have rathered a serious newsperson. So I'm not sure what happened here, IMO an infotainment guy like Lauer should never have been hosting that sort of thing anyway. Did that actually count as one of the three "debates"?
No, that was an NBC produced event I think.  The three official debates and the VP one are orchestrated by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Trump will end up being a little left of Clinton. The people who just blindly vote for political parties need to get their heads out of their rumps

 
Confirmation bias on your part if you think that proves Trump is a racist when instead it was just him trying to use persuasion strategy to come out ahead regardless of outcome.
Just going by your definition. Trump used race to smear a legal threat (in this case a judge). You seem to be in denial if you don't think referencing the judge's race (whether part of a hypothetical "persuasion strategy" or not) isn't racist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83  

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

Is that racist?

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

How about that sub-section?

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him (I'd add initially and immediately, he was slow to)

He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States (you have to admit this was/is goofy)

He treats racial groups as monoliths (you bring your rapists, your murderers, etc. - remembering stuff that didn't happen like Muslims celebrating 9/11 might fall into this category, and the infamous tweet about Trump Tower Grill Taco Bowls and loving Mexicans was egregiously cringe-worthy)

He placed an ad for the Central Park Five to be executed (DNA evidence proved their innocence) 

He stereotyped Jews and shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremicists

He treats African-American supporters as tokens to dispel the idea he is racist ("Look at my African-American over here.")

It is unassailably a systematic pattern. Failure to acknowledge this is impossible to interpret in any way other than confirmation bias.

 
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Yes,the Curiel stuff was racist,  as was tje Pocahontas stuff, as is when he has referred  to"the blacks" in derogatory ways.  Several things about Jews....and the list keeps going.

Anyone claiming he has not said or done racist things is in serious denial.

 
Confirmation bias on your part if you think that proves Trump is a racist when instead it was just him trying to use persuasion strategy to come out ahead regardless of outcome.

Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.



Trump continued to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.



Trump ordered blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.



1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:


“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… . I think the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.“


Trump built a casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.



Trump was asked about replacing TSA's 'heebeejabis' with veterans, responded with:


"We're looking at it"


Trump responded to accusations of racism by hiring a former aid for Joseph McCarthy to sue the government for half a billion dollars.



Trump kept books of Hitler Speeches by his bed.



Trump's campaign photoshopped a white model black.



Trump refused to disavow support from the Klu Klux Klan multiple times during interview only to change his mind later on twitter.



The KKK endorses Trump.



Trump retweets message from Pro-Hitler, white genocide conspiracy Twitter account.



Analysis shows that 62% of the people Trump retweeted on the week of January 19th 2016 were white supremacist accounts.



Trump picks famed white supremacist leader as delegate.



Trump's son gives interview with Holocaust denying radio show host who wants to bring back slavery.



Trump's "my African-American" isn't even a Trump supporter.



Trump gives press credentials to white supremacist radio host.



Trump discriminated against Native-Americans as well.



Six former contestants of The Apprentice blast Trump as a racist and sexist.



Trumps father was arrested for attacking police officers at KKK rally.



Public Policy Polling polls Trump supporters and discovers:



60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States

50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds

30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States

30% Wish the South won the civil war

25% Islam should be illegal in the United States

25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment

20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States

10% Say Whites are a superior race

(11% aren’t sure one way or another)




Trump refuses to condemn violence against muslims and African-Americans committed by his supporters.



When asked for comments on two of his supporters who brutally beat and urinated on a Hispanic homeless man while yelling Pro-Trump Slogans, Trump responds by defending the men as just being "passionate".



The Economist polls Trump supporters and discovers:



15% disapprove of slavery being abolished

- (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)

50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants

- (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)




80% of Trump's supporters claim to have no problem with racist comments.



Trump falsely claims 4 out of 5 white people who were victims of homicide were murdered by blacks.



Trump believes that Mexicans are rapist by default.



Trump tweeted an anti-semitic tweet likely depicting Hillary jewish.



The HRC David star tweet turned out to originate from a neo-nazi website.



Trump retweets quote from Italian Dictator Benito Mussolini.



Trump uses picture of Nazi soldiers in official campaign poster.



Trump's spokesman, Katrina Pierson, critized Obama for being "a negro" and not "pure-breed".



Opinions of his supporters.



Trump's "muslim ban" is unconstitutional.



Trump thinks that muslims should wear "special ID badges", as well as having a database tracking muslims.



Trump lies about how "muslims celebrated 9/11".



Trump wants to racially profile to "prevent criminality".



Trump had a full-page ad promoting execution of a group of Latino and Black children, who later turned out to be innocent.


Trump continued to believe that they were somehow guilty dispite the DNA test.


He believes that Obama was born in Kenya.



He attacked Judge P. Curiel for his "Mexican heritage"



Anne Frank's relatives thinks that Trump is 'acting like Hitler'.



Trump was fined $200,000 in 1992 by the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement for not allowing blacks or women onto his casino floor while a racist Mafia leader was gambling.



Trump kicked the only black Republican official out of an Atlanta Trump event with no explanation.


 
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