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Official Donald Trump for President thread (20 Viewers)
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timschochet
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I'm worried that the Obamacare rate increases are going to give Trump a last minute push.
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Sconch
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timschochet
Footballguy
Let's hope so. 
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Newt seems to have little Trumplike hands too
Koya
Footballguy
It's all a part of the vast white wing conspiracy.
I mean right wi...
nm. I stand by my comments
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
How smart can he be if he doesn't know *IF* is a qualifier.Sand said:
What was the subject? Media bias.
Few things about that. To say that FOX (Kelly's employer) is biased against Trump and for Clinton is laughable. If they were biased, they wouldn't be interviewing Newt Gingrich. Trump could shoot HANNITY in the face and Hannity would still be for him. Even CNN has hired multiple Trump surrogates (Corey L, Lord, the two blondes). If they were biased, they wouldn't be on there. Can Corey even say anything negative about Trump, I thought when they work for the organization they sign something making it actionable if they do? If so, why is he even on there, I get he can maybe shed light on the inner workings of the campaign (which he got fired from partly due to the fallout of manhandling a female reporter), but if he can literally only say positive things about Trump, that isn't journalism.
I'm not going to compare Trump to Hitler. But the racism, bigotry, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia, the populist ethno-nationalist demagoguery, the tyrannical impulses manifested in bullying of the press, has SOME parallels (it doesn't mean he is destined to kill six million Mexicans or Muslims). If a newspaper finds the views of a candidate so abhorrent, repellant and repugnant, I think you can make a case they would be remiss to not take a stand against them. If Hitler had been replicated like in the Boys From Brazil and was gaining traction in the US running under a White Nationalist Party, wouldn't there be something wrong if the media WASN'T "biased", and didn't publicly rebuke and repudiate him, act as a bulwark protecting Democratic institutions and traditions? So I'm not convinced media "bias" is inherently bad, if they are denouncing something they find evil (or grossly incompetent, tempermentally unfit, whatever). Where Trump and the Republican's complaint about liberal media breaks down, and others here have made the same point, is you have multiple CONSERVATIVE publications in Arizona, one in TX (Dallas?), Cincinnati, possibly Harvard that have NEVER advocated for a Democrat (USA Today never had previously for ANYBODY), or haven't in a half century or longer - what other evidence do Republicans need that he is beyond the pale.
His OWN FREAKING PARTY has constantly denounced and rebuked him (Ryan, McCain, Kasich) on multiple occasions (to cite just one of many possible, stating a judge was biased because he was Mexican). After the Magical Mystery Tour Bush bus scandal, something like a quarter of Republican members of Congress straight up abandoned him en masse, which is historically unprecedented. That is NEWS! Trump is the most unprecedented (in a bad way) and greatest aberration and outlier in American politics not only in our lifetime, but in the consensus view of many older and authoritative political observers such as David Gergen. Again, how could that NOT be news and talked about incessantly 24/7.
He really does bring it on himself. After the DNC, he didn't HAVE to take the Khan bait. But he did, and made himself the story instead of relentlessly prosecuting Clinton (and there was ample material to hit her with, always has been, but he has poor impulse control, no sense of priorities, is thin skinned, and it is impossible for him over the course of a long campaign to be disciplined and stay on message). He didn't HAVE to tweet at 3 AM fat/slut shaming Machado. For like a WEEK after the debate, he just couldn't let it go. Children may be following his tweets. He told his followers to seek out non-existent porn (likely goaded by the Whitefart's Bannon who seems to appeal to his lowest, most base impulses, he was at his best and presented BY FAR the biggest threat to Clinton when he consistently listened to Conway). What kind of a presidential candidate asks people to seek out porn!! Is that Presidential? What the heck is wrong with him? Clinton is flawed, but it is like he has a mental illness. He had a pretty good third debate (for him), but than ruined it with the insane I'll keep you in suspense remark. Goes to the hallowed ground of Gettysburg and absolutely desecrates it with the talk about suing lying women. He's completely nuts. Constantly gets in his own way, makes himself the center of every story and than completely blots out the sun with lousy timing when he is dead center in the middle of a negative news cycle during one controversy after another (pretty much all the time). Surrogates like Gingrich are disingenuous when complaining about how often Trump is covered in a negative light.
He didn't have to pull the stunt he did with the press conference before the second debate (and it sounds like he was STRONGLY advised against it by some in his inner circle, but as with most things, he often does the most self-inflicted damage when taking his own counsel). Does anybody thinks he cares about those women, or was he just using them for political purposes (and maybe they had their eyes open and were OK being used because it aligned with their purposes). There are recordings from the time where he defends Clinton and insulted and ridiculed the women for their looks (another completely tone deaf, insensitive and basically disqualifying ugly pattern with him). Never in my life have I encountered a similar person where literally EVERYTHING he says bad about somebody, he himself has already said or done the exact same thing, often worse. So that becomes news, too. Maybe if he wasn't such a monstrous hypocrite, he wouldn't MAKE himself the news in a bad way so often. Never in my life have I seen a candidate not just lie, but lie about things that are so easily checked. Like that he wasn't for the war in Iraq (no I wasn't, no I wasn't, no I wasn't - than, but I wasn't a politician, so conceding after multiple denials). Even when checked by Holt in the first debate, he than lied about the lie. Completely incorrigible. Than THAT becomes the story.
He completely dumbed down the level of political discourse in the primaries (dummy head, doo doo face) and than took an even deeper high dive to the bottom of the cesspool with the constant kindergarten insults and name calling (Crooked Hillary), yet NOW he is whining that people are saying mean things to him. Not to mention, the media couldn't cover Trump on the issues in a nuanced way if they wanted to, he doesn't know anything, has no center or principles, is incapable of articulating anything beyond the most general terms. Trump also brings it on himself by having a very adversarial relationship with the press, early on booting any media that characterized him in terms less than fawning adulation and worship, even still he points at the media at the rallies and talks about how they are disgusting liars (for sometimes doing nothing more than truthfully reporting the facts that he pointed to them at a rally and called them disgusting liars
). Constantly calling them crooked and part of the rigged system, the election is rigged, the polls are rigged, the Republicans are rigged, the Democrats are rigged. He MAKES it the story, and in a negative way if it seems like a pattern. He's juts a one note Charlie grinding the same theme over and over and over and over. * Gingrich criticized Democratic values when he was carrying on multiple affairs during multiple marriages. He asked for a divorce when his first wife was in the hospital with cancer, and second time when his wife was diagnosed with MS? Nice guy. Rush Limbaugh railed on drug users while he was popping pills. If the media point out these contradictions, maybe it was because they were "liberal" and "biased".
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Bob Magaw
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This room?Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
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CurlyNight
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Seems odd they chose to reveal next year's rate increase two weeks before the election. Thanks to Trump's mouth and horribly run campaign, this is already in tje bag, but this was not the government's wisest move.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Newt is so obsessed with Bill Clinton that there must be something personal.
Megyn Kelly has been a big winner imo this election.
Megyn Kelly has been a big winner imo this election.
3C's
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Scavino is right. Watch what happens to her after this election is over! She'll probably have to leave FOX...and go to CNN/ABC/NBC for a hefty pay raise.
Thunderlips
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I have to say it....I'm fascinated by sex....and Megyn Kelly.....and sex with Megyn Kelly. So blow it out of your pumpkin sized head Knute.
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Thunderlips
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Just messing around with the EC maps.....it really is almost impossible for an R to eek out a POTUS victory. If an R is winning these days....it's going to be in a blowout.
timschochet
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Trump is back in the lead in Florida by 2 points.
timschochet
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Righetti
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What bothers me most about this election is how people will constantly say to me that they can't vote for either candidate as they are equally awful. They will tell you that they are abstaining or voting for Gary Johnson because they cannot stomach either one as if this is some kind of badge of honor when all it is is an act of cowardice.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are not the same, they are the furthest thing from the same and putting them in the same category is an insult and abstaining to vote (or voting Gary Johnson as a protest) is as chicken-#### as it gets.
I'd guess that 95 % of the people who "support" Gary Johnson generally know less about Gary Johnson than Gary Johnson knows about international affairs and that is a scary thought. Their non-vote, or their defacto non-vote, is a classic example of passing the buck. These are people who are ostensibly voting for Trump make no bones about it as they have accepted a Trump presidency as a possibility they could live with.
The issue is that there is his narrative that Hillary and Trump are two peas in a pod, but they are not.
One is a serious candidate, with experience, temperament, policy positions etc. the other is a xenophobic, misogynistic, race baiting child whose 'policy' position is summed up with "believe me". You can argue about Hillary's positions, decisions or vision for the country, she is far from perfect but she is a serious candidate. This argument cannot be made for Trump.
So don't tell me about Gary Johnson unless you are willing to accept responsibility for Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are not the same, they are the furthest thing from the same and putting them in the same category is an insult and abstaining to vote (or voting Gary Johnson as a protest) is as chicken-#### as it gets.
I'd guess that 95 % of the people who "support" Gary Johnson generally know less about Gary Johnson than Gary Johnson knows about international affairs and that is a scary thought. Their non-vote, or their defacto non-vote, is a classic example of passing the buck. These are people who are ostensibly voting for Trump make no bones about it as they have accepted a Trump presidency as a possibility they could live with.
The issue is that there is his narrative that Hillary and Trump are two peas in a pod, but they are not.
One is a serious candidate, with experience, temperament, policy positions etc. the other is a xenophobic, misogynistic, race baiting child whose 'policy' position is summed up with "believe me". You can argue about Hillary's positions, decisions or vision for the country, she is far from perfect but she is a serious candidate. This argument cannot be made for Trump.
So don't tell me about Gary Johnson unless you are willing to accept responsibility for Donald Trump
Sammy3469
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If Hispanics only vote for Hillary at 51%, she'll be in trouble everywhere...point being this poll is an outlier.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
You should probably rephrase these posts. "Trump is back in the lead in Florida" is no more true than "Clinton has a 12 point lead over Trump nationally." They're all just single data points.
Nevertheless, hopefully this will help people realize this isn't over. Undecided voters apparently have short memories, after every seemingly disqualifying thing he does or story that comes out he loses ground, and then he slowly gains it back as he sticks to rallies and Hannity appearances and hides from everyone else like the coward he is. That's what he's been doing the last week and what he'll do for the next two weeks.
Steve Tasker
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Donald Trump is going to win the State of Tennessee. Voting for Hillary does nothing to change any narrative in politics where as voting for Johnson might. That isnt chicken ####...its how things should work.
Thats on those of you all who supported either of them in the primaries for giving is this terrible choice.
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Politician Spock
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I haven't heard anyone say that. I hear they are both awful a lot, but that's not the same as being equally awful. Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel don't have to be equal to both not be good choices to run a college football program... unless you want a head coach who ignore the rules.
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Ramblin Wreck
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They are both horrible human beings. They are horrible in different ways but they are both just terrible, terrible people. Just because she has 30 years experience with policy positions doesn't mean she's a good candidate. She openly skirts classification laws, is a loose cannon making up her own rules, and intimidates/threatens/pays off those needed to cover up her criminal behavior.
TobiasFunke
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Voting for Clinton is important no matter what. If you and others like you vote for her in Tennessee she will lose by a narrower margin there and will likely win the popular vote by a wider margin nationally. Everything that adds to Trump's losing margin in the final results is important because it makes it less likely that there will be other Trumps to follow- less chance that nativism is embraced by other politicians, less chance that insane, dangerous Infowars-type conspiracy theorists are given any measure of respect or a wider audience in the future, a greater chance that the GOP finally gets the message that they need to stop rejecting science and logic and the responsibilities of governance, etc.
You might think that voting for someone like Johnson will change things in a way that is more important than that. Maybe you think this will help third parties in the future despite all evidence to the contrary. Maybe you think it would be really funny if the two dumbest and least qualified people to garner 5% of the vote for president in American history did so in the same election. Maybe you think he'll legalize weed nationally. Hey, I can get behind those last two myself. If you think those things are more important than rejecting Trump as forcefully as possible, fair enough. Just don't say that it doesn't matter simply because it won't change the electoral college, because that's not true.
Coeur de Lion
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Unlike some others, I have zero issue with anyone voting 3rd party. But that said, Trump is such a colossal idiot that his openly stated "policy positions" might legitimately lead to world cataclysm. The country can easily survive a "more of the same BS" self-serving Clinton. Not so much a guy who wants to use nukes and give them to the Saudis, orders our military to torture and deliberately target civilians, tries to send deportation squads house to house, and tries to "renegotiate" our national debt like an effing personal bankruptcy.
They are both horrible human beings. They are horrible in different ways but they are both just terrible, terrible people. Just because she has 30 years experience with policy positions doesn't mean she's a good candidate. She openly skirts classification laws, is a loose cannon making up her own rules, and intimidates/threatens/pays off those needed to cover up her criminal behavior.
Ramblin Wreck
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I'm not arguing a damn thing about Trump. I'm just pointing out some hypocrisy to those that believe Clinton is a blemish-free, great candidate. I have zero issue with anyone voting for anyone they want. It's their individual right to vote as they please.
Coeur de Lion
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Very few people are calling her "blemish-free" or "great" except in comparison to Trump.
Grace Under Pressure
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Barely anyone thinks that about Clinton, at least in this forum. I'm sure there are hotbeds for sycophants somewhere, but it isn't plainly evident. What is more evident is that most people aren't thrilled with Clinton, even Clinton voters. Trump is just an awful choice for President, unfortunately.
Jeremy
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What a great look that would be for Fox. Megyn Kelly breaks from the party line to question the Republican nominee for President of the United States and his surrogates on Trump's misogyny and sexual assaults. "We can't have that at Fox News! You're outta here"!
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I'm hoping for some more gratuitous leg shots of Megyn Kelly strolling the Fox set this time around. 
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im chosing not to vote for either of them. They both suck...while her brand of sucking is only slightly less awful (basically, I find them equal ethically and morally...but she at least has a clue policy wise).
And the wider margin a lying crook like Hillary gets...the greater the chance the rest of them feel safe and above the law.
I do think a 3rd party gaining steam is more important than enabling either type (Hillary's crookedness in Washington...or Trump's nativism conspiracy theory bs).
And yeah...it won't likely matter much on the electoral vote or even the popular vote. (and its past tense now as I early voted last week)
LittlePhatty
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Maybe it's just who I am friends with, but in my Facebook feed the only people I see talking about Johnson are people who typically vote Republican. The two or three that I know well, they live in a slam-dunk red state and Obamacare seems to be their biggest voting issue (and the reason why they would never vote for Hillary). But they also think Trump is an idiot who should never have made it past the primary. I wouldn't begrudge a "protest" vote on their part.
mquinnjr
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Lest we all forget, voting for who you want to run the US is the basic premise of the democratic election process and your right as an American citizen. Democratic elections were not intended for voters to choose X candidate because recent polling shows voting for X candidate is (at the time of polling, with Y% margin of error) an indirect vote for candidate Z.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I've pointed this out before, but there's no evidence that third parties gain steam after a relatively good result in a presidential election. If anything the opposite seems to be true, perhaps because people make the calculation you are making here (as they did with Nader over Gore/Bush in 2000) and then afterwards realize the real world consequences of choosing principle over major party preference (as they did with Nader over Gore/Bush in 2000). Small sample size, of course, but at a minimum I think it's safe to say there's no reason to think third parties gain steam in the way you are describing.
Righetti
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are you kidding me?? they lump the two together as 'this is the best our country has to offer' which is laughable.. Hillary is a serious candidate, Trump is not
TobiasFunke
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An informed debate over the vote is also a basic premise of the process and a fundamental right of American citizens. Nobody is saying you can't vote for whoever you want, I hope. They're offering a variety of reasons to vote for (or not vote for) certain candidates. That's exactly how it's supposed to work. We're the American experiment at its best right here, fellas. Brings a tear to your eye.
Lest we all forget, voting for who you want to run the US is the basic premise of the democratic election process and your right as an American citizen. Democratic elections were not intended for voters to choose X candidate because recent polling shows voting for X candidate is (at the time of polling, with Y% margin of error) an indirect vote for candidate Z.
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Righetti
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they can vote for who they want.. but there is responsibility that comes with a vote..
If you are in a swing state and you vote Jill Stein, you could be in part culpable with us ending up with Donald Trump...
Jeremy
Footballguy
In polling he takes more from Hillary. When polls include 3rd party candidates it's always a little closer. I think there are a number of single issue voters among young people (legalization) that support Gary.
I do see Righetti's point. When you vote 3rd party, you always get to wash your hands of anything bad that happens. Don't blame me I voted for this guy I knew had no chance whatsoever. And they rarely have any serious baggage because nobody knows anything about them. The press isn't going to bother digging up dirt on candidates that don't matter. So you always get to vote for the "good guy". It's not a bad way to live.
Righetti
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Righetti
Footballguy
this is exactly my point.. you don't get to wash your hands by voting some guy who has no chance. If that is the way you are going to vote, don't complain when Donald Trump is starting WWIII because you had a choice and you didn't do anything about it
Steve Tasker
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I sincerely doubt that the big-L Libertarian Party gains any real steam after this election.
But I wouldn't feel like I contributed (see edit) to a Trump victory if he somehow wins and I voted GJ. As a presidential candidate, your job is to convince me to vote for you. For some voters, the lesser of two evils is good enough. It's not good enough for me.
ETA - I should rephrase - I may have contributed to a Trump victory, but I wouldn't feel guilty about it.
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Franknbeans
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so, the ol' lesser of 3 evils strategy?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...we also have never seen 2 completely corrupt jackholes as our major 2 candidates either.
I think the movement, if people were smart, should be towards 3rd party or an alternative...rather than a move to more Trump type dopes.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
You can feel however you want, I'd never say otherwise. But the plain fact is, if you prefer Clinton to Trump but vote for Johnson, and then Trump wins, that means you had a chance to help stop him and chose not to do so- presumably because you prioritized something else over your preference for Clinton over Trump. Hard to avoid that reality.
That said, they're your priorities, and so long as they're not bad ones (like for example if your priorities were a desire to discriminate against Muslims or scapegoat immigrants or indulge racial resentment or kowtow to insane right wing conspiracy theorists), it's hard to criticize the decision that much. I've always been happy to discuss this stuff and make the case for Clinton, but in the end you're not voting for Trump, so at a minimum there would be at least 60 million people out there more responsible for a Trump presidency than you.
Ramblin Wreck
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Please everyone vote for my favorite party because their criminal activity is minor and Trump will ruin the world. Good schtick.
Just vote for whoever the hell you want. Both suck. Both will questioned for the next four years. There will be tons of "I told you so" schtick no matter what. The fear mongering is hilarious though.
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Just vote for whoever the hell you want. Both suck. Both will questioned for the next four years. There will be tons of "I told you so" schtick no matter what. The fear mongering is hilarious though.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't live in either of those states...
Again...if people want to complain, it should be towards those who supported Hillary or Trump in the primaries...they gave us this mess.
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