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Official Donald Trump for President thread (3 Viewers)
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beavers
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The General
Footballguy
A few weeks of piss all over the seats / floor and progressive women will be rethinking this whole bathroom deal.
Dickies
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
President Trump undoubtedly ridiculed his political adversaries, but he never demonized the average Americans who followed those politicians. I too wish that President Trump had not done so much name-calling, but he did it to people who voluntarily entered the national stage to do political battle.
Meanwhile, Hillary didn't assail her fellow members of the ruling class like President Trump did, but she instead derided average Americans as deplorable and irredeemable simply because they backed her political adversary.
Unfortunately for Hill, those irredeemable and deplorable average Americans got the last laugh. My guess is that as the shock of her loss wears off and Hillary becomes introspective on what went wrong, the irredeemable Deplorables smear will be near the top of her list.
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JohnnyU
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AAABatteries
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I know the transgender thing for most is a joke and some of the people trolling here are just trolls - having now said that, on one side it's deeply personal and a source of much hurt and then some on the other just don't understand it. It's something that we as society have to solve. But here's the reality of it for democrats - this isn't an issue that a lot of people care about, especially those on the Republican side. Maher made this point last night - if people are losing their jobs and are poor the last thing they want to hear is that now they have to figure out how to share a bathroom with someone who is transgender. There's a lot of people who don't even understand the concept of someone being transgender and they are thinking, "I'm broke in a rundown town with no jobs and all these guys want to tell me how to go to the bathroom? #### that, I'm voting for the other guy"
Again - I think social issues like this are important for us to solve but the mindset above is reality.
Again - I think social issues like this are important for us to solve but the mindset above is reality.
Gr00vus
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What somewhat amuses me is the continuous back and forth over who's had their whole world view upheld or repudiated based on the most recent election. It's humorous to me because our history shows, no single set of world views has enabled any party to get a death grip on the U.S. government for any extended period of time. Yet so many get so caught up in how the outcome of an election validates (or fails to validate) everything they think in areas remotely related to government. You'd think just simple observation of the continuous vacillation between party influence at a national level would inform people that our truth lies somewhere between the extremes. But we all refuse to smooth those rough edges off. Makes our government super inefficient.
Generally it's the stuff we could mostly agree on that's key to our prosperity, but we let all these edge issues pollute our discourse to the extent that we can't find common ground on core things. Unemployed black people in large urban centers have much, much more in common with out of work white people in rural areas economically. But those two constituencies can't come together anymore because of all the extraneous junk that so many have become fixated on.
Generally it's the stuff we could mostly agree on that's key to our prosperity, but we let all these edge issues pollute our discourse to the extent that we can't find common ground on core things. Unemployed black people in large urban centers have much, much more in common with out of work white people in rural areas economically. But those two constituencies can't come together anymore because of all the extraneous junk that so many have become fixated on.
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Just political adversaries? Really? not Muslims, Mexicans, women, people with disabilities?
sho nuff
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IvanKaramazov
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In theory, I agree with you. In practice, the line for the mens room is usually a lot quicker than the one for the womens room, so I'm fine with keeping things as they are.
Arsenal of Doom
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Can someone remind me again of what horrific bathroom incident precipitated this nonsense ?
Loan Sharks
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Massive anti-Trump protests being planned for the inauguration. The next day will be the Million Women March. Trump needs to forget about Radical Islamic Terrorists and start worrying about the unfair home-grown protesters. He could start by apologizing for promoting rape culture, ethnic bashing, insulting the disabled, etc.
How about we take it another step forward then. If the U.S. had a turnout similar to other first-world countries the republican party as is would be extinct.
Bucky86
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James Daulton
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My wife still isn't over the results. She watched a re-run of the Colbert election night live special. She was almost in tears by the end as what was supposed to be a show about mocking Trump turned into something more resembling a wake. Her and her friends keep wondering how a scumbag like Trump who said such horrible things about so many people could have been elected.
I try to get her to understand that we (white, upper middle class) are really insulated in many ways from the rest of the country. Sure we can relate to those in the city and suburbs and we think we're tolerant of everyone, but we really have no idea what life is like for those who live outside our scope of experience. Those whose lives are truly impacted when industries close down or move overseas. I try to tell her that those people understand that Trump's a ####, but at least he appears to care about their issues and they'd rather have a #### be president if it gave them a shot at a better life.
Of course she's a woman so no amount of logic can penetrate her shell of unreasonableness. If this continues and impacts my sex life I will blame @ClownCausedChaos2 and all those who voted for Trump in PA and Michigan.
I try to get her to understand that we (white, upper middle class) are really insulated in many ways from the rest of the country. Sure we can relate to those in the city and suburbs and we think we're tolerant of everyone, but we really have no idea what life is like for those who live outside our scope of experience. Those whose lives are truly impacted when industries close down or move overseas. I try to tell her that those people understand that Trump's a ####, but at least he appears to care about their issues and they'd rather have a #### be president if it gave them a shot at a better life.
Of course she's a woman so no amount of logic can penetrate her shell of unreasonableness. If this continues and impacts my sex life I will blame @ClownCausedChaos2 and all those who voted for Trump in PA and Michigan.
GoBirds
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beavers
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If that's how you see this, people will be crying babies for the next four years. I am not sure if these cry babies will ever accept Trump. So, maybe try to understand why they are protesting vs calling them names?
GoBirds
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Let's protest and riot after a fair election and act like children that didn't get our way.....that should change our country. Pathetic.
beavers
Footballguy
It's going to be a long four years. Again, my advice to you instead of being dismissive, try to understand the reason behind the protests. You're obviously not even close ...
T J
Footballguy
Personally I feel like the other side should try to understand why the election went the way it did. And they are indeed crybabies.
GoBirds
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Just like how Obama always tried to reach across the aisle right?
I'm sure Trump will do better than he did to unify but it's still ridiculous.
SaintsInDome2006
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I posted a story on this in mid October, it was reported that Trump had about 250 business entities listed in Russia.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Whoa, slow down. You can blame me for the impact to your wife's sex life, but it stops there.
beavers
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So Tea Party Part II.
As much as these folks remind me of the Tea Party the Fox pundits sound like the MSNBC pundits circa 2008.
GoBirds
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Then the Dems will lose even bigger next time around.....riots and protests just cause you didn't get your way impresses no one.
T J
Footballguy
I voted to take that road so I'm good with it. Sounds like you're the one with the long road ahead. Sucks for you huh?
Dedfin
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Crying is part of the game, so is gloating. I don't mind either. I don't think either side should try to understand the other. I think both sets of people know the the other is about. This is a clash of cultures, and after the baby boomers kick the bucket, we will see who wins. It's unclear who right now, but we should know in 30 years or so. Best of luck to the USA.
If things were reversed. There wouldve been a losing presidential candidate talking about a rigged election, guns and the 2nd amendment. He talked about those things before Nov 8.
SaintsInDome2006
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CNN makes a good point - probably the Congressman that Trump has the best relationship with is Chuck Schumer. Trump is a longtime Schumer donor and Schumer barely criticized Trump during the race.
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Sammy3469
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I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up having more problems passing bills in the Senate than people are expecting.
SaintsInDome2006
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I've actually lived under a mayor who had zero political experience. I realize it's a different galaxy but it went very badly because he still thought like a businessman. However Trump out the gate has come out with a Dem policy priority, the infrastructure bill, which the GOP has consistently refused to give Obama. How does the GOP react if he pushes that? I just totally got this off CNN but I think it's a good point. I'll add that Trump kept running against and insulting GOP adversaries right up until Election Day. I see no reason why he doesn't keep doing that.
SaintsInDome2006
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Trump's companies pose the exacts same conflict of interest problems that the Clintons' Foundation, Teneo & speaking fees issues posed. It's really just out of the frying pan into the fire as far as ethics are concerned.
Ghost Rider
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As a woman, tell her to take solace in the fact that we had just two firsts:
A woman was one of the candidates in a presidential election.
A woman ran a successful presidential campaign for the first time in American history.
And it wouldn't surprise me if a woman was elected president in 2020 or 2024.
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IvanKaramazov
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Ordinarily I would agree with you. For example, I thought a lot of people on the left acted pretty disgracefully during the Bush administration. (E.g. "selected not elected," Cindy Sheehan, all the Hitler references, etc.). So I'm primed to say "Eh, you guys lost -- deal with it."
Having said that, Trump really is qualitatively different from any other president we've had in the past 100+ years. To use Bush as an example -- I pick him because lots of people would identify him as the worst president in recent history -- Bush was well within the political and cultural mainstream. He didn't run on anything that totally outside the standard conservative playbook. After 9/11, he went out of his way to show sympathy for Muslims, especially American Muslims. He was pro-immigration and actually got smacked around by his party for that. And of course, he had a pretty good resume of executive experience before coming in the presidency.
This isn't to argue that Bush was a good president. Rather, it's to point out that even if you thought that Bush was terrible -- even if you think that he was the absolute bottom of the barrel -- it's still pretty easy to identify some good features that he brought to the table. Trump has none of those features. It's all negative, all the way down. Bush and Trump both shared a lack of attention to and understanding of policy, but Bush wasn't crazy or malicious. Trump is.
timschochet
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After Richard Nixon was elected in 1968, there were tons of protests similar to now- of course the difference was that the protestors had a direct focus back then: the Vietnam War. But the reaction by white blue collar Americans was very similar to what Go Birds wrote here: the protestors were mocked and called crybabies. A majority of the public was disdainful.
That all changed over a year later. Nixon's decision to widen the war by bombing Cambodia led to a renewed wave of protests, and the National Guard in Ohio responded by shooting four students at Kent State. That incident changed the public view of the protests overnight, and the majority became sympathetic.
That all changed over a year later. Nixon's decision to widen the war by bombing Cambodia led to a renewed wave of protests, and the National Guard in Ohio responded by shooting four students at Kent State. That incident changed the public view of the protests overnight, and the majority became sympathetic.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Dr Oadi
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timschochet
Footballguy
As big a critic as I've been of Donald Trump, I think this in unfair for one reason: we really have no idea at this time what kind of President Trump is going to be.
IMO, as a campaigner he was a total ####, so much so that I was and remain terrified of his Presidency. But at the same time I was never quite convinced that he meant much of what he said.
In the few days since winning the election, Trump has completely altered his persona thus far, and some of the things he's said I actually approve of. (Not all or even most but some.) So at this point I'm willing to have an open mind. If he doesn't trample on our liberties, if he effectively solves some of our bigger problems, if he doesn't, in practice, get carried away with his ridiculous anti-immigrant anti-trade rhetoric, I might be on board. Who knows at this point?
James Daulton
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Where was this passion pre-election? Everyone knew that women and minorities held the election in their hands and they didn't show up or they voted for Trump.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
The Democratic Party is encouraging the protests.
timschochet
Footballguy
skol asylum
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timschochet
Footballguy
Then again stuff like this really concerns me:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/13/trump-reportedly-looking-for-way-to-pull-us-out-climate-agreement.amp.html?client=safari
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/13/trump-reportedly-looking-for-way-to-pull-us-out-climate-agreement.amp.html?client=safari
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