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Would not be surprised if say the way deportations are handled, given Obama set a record of 1.5 million his first term, Trump tweaks it, puts up a fence in a few places, and voila, promise held. Same for ACA.

Like putting lipstick on a pig or really branding it "Trump" and his faithful will salute in approval!

 
If Donald Trump is trying to show a gentler side, unite the country, start the healing, etc, then Steve Bannon is a problem. 
That's an understatement. 

I understand you (and others) want to give Trump a fair chance. I do too. But we have to be very careful normalizing all of the racist,  sexist comments Trump made. 

Now Trump is going to make an anti-semetic white nationalist the #1 or #2 advisor in the White House. That should be COMPLETELY unacceptable. 

 
Steve Bannon will also be a pretty big problem for Trump when it comes to working with the establishment Republicans in Congress.
On the flip side, Priebus is about as establishment as they come. It's sort of crazy because he has one of the guys the alt-right hated the most and always refer to as a check/squish/etc and then he has one of the ultimate alt-right guys as well.

 
On the flip side, Priebus is about as establishment as they come. It's sort of crazy because he has one of the guys the alt-right hated the most and always refer to as a check/squish/etc and then he has one of the ultimate alt-right guys as well.
There is no flip side.

It doesn't matter how many reasonable people Trump appoints if he has Steve Bannon in there. Bannon ruins everything else he might be trying to do or present. Bannon is a cancer who exemplifies the worst fears about Donald Trump for people who did not vote for him.

 
There is no flip side.

It doesn't matter how many reasonable people Trump appoints if he has Steve Bannon in there. Bannon ruins everything else he might be trying to do or present. Bannon is a cancer who exemplifies the worst fears about Donald Trump for people who did not vote for him.
Same concerns existed with Hillary and Blumenthal, Brock, Media Matters & their other media arms. It's an unhealthy development for sure but we were getting it either way with these two candidates.

 
Same concerns existed with Hillary and Blumenthal, Brock, Media Matters & their other media arms. It's an unhealthy development for sure but we were getting it either way with these two candidates.
Listen, if Hillary had been elected and then moved Blumenthal or Brock into the White House as her chief advisor I would have a huge problem with it. But Bannon is far worse than those two guys. They're sleazy, but Bannon is a white nationalist and an anti-semite. This hiring needs to be condemned by Republicans and Democrats alike in Congress. Who has the courage to do so? 

 
Same concerns existed with Hillary and Blumenthal, Brock, Media Matters & their other media arms. It's an unhealthy development for sure but we were getting it either way with these two candidates.
Come on man, you're better than this. Bannon is horrifying for so many reasons and on so many levels that this comparison is just awful.

 
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This would make for a pretty good comedy.  An ambitious but clueless guy stumbles into the presidency, and suddenly realizes that he's in way over his head.  Hijinks ensue.  
Pretty sure that's Veep.  I sort of just want to see what would happen if Obama threw up his hands and didn't help.  

 
Come on man, you're better than this. Bannon is horrifying for so many reasons and on so many levels that this comparison is just awful.
I will cop to admittedly giving specifically Tim a hard time on this specific point.

However the principle at stake here is that politicians, candidates and especially cabinet members and presidents should not be running shadow media arms to plug propaganda which people take as independent "journalism". And IMO Blumenthal and Brock are more nefarious people than most give them (dis)credit for. Blumenthal has weaseled his way into some pretty dark scenarios and Brock helped create and perpetuate the very sort of shadow media propaganda pool that Breitbart now wades in.

But I agree from the standpoint of what Breitbart now today stands for under Bannon, the soft supremacist and antisemitic undertones are disgusting. I know that's the perspective you have on this point and I agree with that.

 
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Listen, if Hillary had been elected and then moved Blumenthal or Brock into the White House as her chief advisor I would have a huge problem with it. But Bannon is far worse than those two guys. They're sleazy, but Bannon is a white nationalist and an anti-semite. This hiring needs to be condemned by Republicans and Democrats alike in Congress. Who has the courage to do so? 
I'm not finding much on him about anti-semitism except for comments from his ex-wife.  Do you have any quotes from him?

 
Listen, if Hillary had been elected and then moved Blumenthal or Brock into the White House as her chief advisor I would have a huge problem with it. But Bannon is far worse than those two guys. They're sleazy, but Bannon is a white nationalist and an anti-semite. This hiring needs to be condemned by Republicans and Democrats alike in Congress. Who has the courage to do so? 
I agree on your take of what BB is today and has morphed into during this campaign.

I'm guessing no one in the GOP?

Btw I think people have misread that statement from the campaign on leadership, it certainly reads to me like Bannon will hold some sort of "senior" status over Preibus. The media tail is now wagging the dog in the WH.

 
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Bannon always looks like he just woke up in a stranger's yard after sleeping off a three-day bender.
I saw Andrew Breitbart at a semi-formal function once and your perfect description of Bannon would also have been perfect for Andrew.  

Must be something about that Head of Breitbart Media position.

 
I saw Andrew Breitbart at a semi-formal function once and your perfect description of Bannon would also have been perfect for Andrew.  

Must be something about that Head of Breitbart Media position.
Andrew Breitbart and Steve Bannon were two radically different people.

The original point of "Breitbart" the site was that media and power had gotten too cozy. This Trump/Bannon situation is exactly the sort of thing he rebelled against (however people felt about his yes very conservative politics).

 
Andrew Breitbart and Steve Bannon were two radically different people.

The original point of "Breitbart" the site was that media and power had gotten too cozy. This Trump/Bannon situation is exactly the sort of thing he rebelled against (however people felt about his yes very conservative politics).
Agreed, but they still both look like they just woke up from a bender.

 
A quote is fine.  I already read that article and it seems focused on some Breitbart writers.
At this point it sounds to me like you're doing your best to deny the evidence right in front of you. We have his quotes to his wife which you're disregarding. We have the Breitbart articles which were authorized by him, yet which you've apparently chosen to ignore since they're not direct quotes from the man himself. And we have that last Trump commercial, reportedly sanctioned by Bannon, which came right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and basically suggested a secret Jewish cabal in control of the world's media and politicians. 

This stuff combined should be enough for any reasonable person IMO. 

 
Remember half of the country absolutely despises almost all Obama hard left, socialist, right wing hating people.

Anyone who watched the full 60 minute interview this past weekend should have a totally different view of his radical views.

Here is a link to the interview, watch it and educate yourself.

60 minute interview

He is going to lead from the middle not the looney right. 

 
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Just a thought...he had to put Bannon somewhere after utilizing him during the election.  Seems like making him a senior advisor is a role/position that can be pushed/ignored fairly easy, no?

 
Just a thought...he had to put Bannon somewhere after utilizing him during the election.  Seems like making him a senior advisor is a role/position that can be pushed/ignored fairly easy, no?
I still want to know where Kellyanne Conway is going to go. I saw that Laura Ingram is 1st choice for Press Secretary.

 
Remember half of the country absolutely despises almost all Obama hard left, socialist, right wing hating people.

Anyone who watched the full 60 minute interview this past weekend should have a totally different view of his radical views.

Here is a link to the interview, watch it and educate yourself.

60 minute interview

He is going to lead from the middle nor the looney right. 
Then why did he appoint Steve Bannon to his #1 or #2 post?

 
He is going to lead from the middle 
I've been trying to convince people of this since he had the nomination.  If you look at the guys historical stances, he's more center left than center right, but always somewhere in the middle.  He said what he had to in order to get elected, like every other politician ever.  But I think he's (at least initially) listening to the people that stuck with him when it would have been VERY easy to jump ship.

 
Because it is HIS choice to choose who he wants and Bannon (who I know nothing about) will be an adviser not put in a position of making policy.
He was tapped as Trump's chief strategy and policy adviser. I think people have a right to be concerned, considering his views, and his connections to the white nationalist movement.

 
Just a thought...he had to put Bannon somewhere after utilizing him during the election.  Seems like making him a senior advisor is a role/position that can be pushed/ignored fairly easy, no?
I think it's the other way around.

Preibus gets the formal spot while a special new position above it has been created for Bannon.

Look at who actually comes first in the statement.

Personally this looks like chaos of leadership like we saw in the campaign only now in the WH. Who's in charge of the administration here? No one can tell.

I do think that one thing Pence and Preibus will do is fill the administration with their guys while Bannon has Trump's ear. I think don't be surprised if Trump ends up having opposition and division within his own administration as the bulk of the people doing stuff and running things will be party people while he and Bannon will be doing their own thing. Very weird and potentially dysfunctional.

 
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Prediction: will Trump expand the national debt more or less than Obama did during Obama's first term? Yes or no? 
So far I haven't been ecstatic about his "money people".  Judging from Trump's business history, it seems likely he'll have no problems expanding the debt.  Can he help lower the debt to GDP ratio though...that's the big question.

 
I think it's the other way around.

Preibus gets the formal spot while a special new position above it has been created for Bannon.

Look at who actually comes first in the statement.

Personally this looks like chaos of leadership like we saw in the campaign only now in the WH. Who's in charge of the administration here? No one can tell.

I do think that one thing Pence and Preibus will do is fill the administration with their guys while Bannon has Trump's ear. I think don't be surprised if Trump ends up having opposition and division within his own administration as the bulk of the people doing stuff and running things will be party people while he and Bannon will be doing their own thing. Very weird and potentially dysfunctional.
I think people are reading to much into that.  For all we know the order could have been based on who picked their nose last.

I also think it's too early for people to be concerned/hoping for chaos within the administration.

 
I think people are reading to much into that.  For all we know the order could have been based on who picked their nose last.

I also think it's too early for people to be concerned/hoping for chaos within the administration.
Ok. We will wait.

Refer back to Cheney essentially picking himself as VP then filling the west wing with "his" people under George Bush. That's how administrations are made.

eta - And that's partly how a guy who ran on 'humble' and not playing at nation building became the very opposite of that in office.

 
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Would not be surprised if say the way deportations are handled, given Obama set a record of 1.5 million his first term, Trump tweaks it, puts up a fence in a few places, and voila, promise held. Same for ACA.

Like putting lipstick on a pig or really branding it "Trump" and his faithful will salute in approval!
Well in our defense the pig is pretty ugly and the lipstick and tweaks are an improvement. 

 
He was tapped as Trump's chief strategy and policy adviser. I think people have a right to be concerned, considering his views, and his connections to the white nationalist movement.
How about Obama's connections to MANY connections that concerned most Americans. You people are amazing.

You just wont give him a chance no matter what he does.

Did you watch the 6o minute interview, yeah I didn't think so.

 
Prediction: will Trump expand the national debt more or less than Obama did during Obama's first term? Yes or no? 
Gotta spend money to make money! Besides I have been assured by the Democrat party that the national debt is not a problem.

 
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There is no flip side.

It doesn't matter how many reasonable people Trump appoints if he has Steve Bannon in there. Bannon ruins everything else he might be trying to do or present. Bannon is a cancer who exemplifies the worst fears about Donald Trump for people who did not vote for him.
Man that guy sounds like Hitler. Thats it America is doomed. 

 
No, i would love it if Trump has a massive bill to upgrade the countries infrastructure. But it will add a lot of debt doing it. That was Tim's original question which I was resp0nding to. 
The debt meant nothing to the democrats the last eight years. Glad you are concerned now.

 
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