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How does it feel to be another Putin puppet?
I could say the same for all the people love that their candidate willingly brokered massive arms deals and took $6M+ in donations after they leveled our trade center.  Would it be fitting to call all of them Terrorists? Nope.  Same BS arguments.

I said I am onboard with investigation Russia's role in this election in the House and Senate. What I am not willing to do is to take the CIA's word with no proof and suspend the inauguration.  That would be unprecedented and without cause.

 
See, here's the thing and why so many people are supporting Trump.

In Russia a few weeks ago there was a story in the papers that didn't get much attention but it should have.  No, not computer hacking, Putin love for Trump or anything like that.  It had to do with a regular robber holding up a store.  In the US, we have a general sense of how that kind of story is going to go - there are enough cameras to track the robber and they are eventually found, there is a gofundme for the shop owner because it turns out that he is caring for a sick spouse or something, and the robbery ends making him a ton of money and maybe there is even a movie made out of it.  All American dream stuff but always happening just out of our grasp - the grasp of normal people.

That isn't what happened to the robber in Russia.  No, see, the person he put the gun to, a fairly attractive for northern Russia lady, also happened to be a black belt in some kind of karate/Russian mix thing that probably kills bears with one strike.  So she disarms him.  End of story right?  Good story to tell around the fire in the village in the snow out there?  Nope.  Not in Russia.  The American dream isn't in play there.  No, this chick disarms the guy, and then after that, ties him up in the basement of the place to torture him for a few days for punishment.

Ok, this crap just got real.  Civil liberties just switched right?  Well, see, here's the thing - again - this is Russia.  Her form of torture was to feed this guy Viagra and water non stop and use him as her personal sex toy until she got bored with him.

I think at the end of the day, all the Trump supporters really want is a strong woman who will use them as a personal sex toy.  And really, isn't that what all blue blooded Americans really want this holiday season?  We just want to have our guns, bring them into public, maybe threaten someone with them either on purpose or just because, and have some chick see that and just get so excited that she uses us for days.  That is the Trump supporter in a nutshell.  JMHO.  Could be wrong. 

 
He hasn't even done anything but he has a high likelihood of being the most corrupt President ever!!!!  He must be stopped!!!!  

 
I could say the same for all the people love that their candidate willingly brokered massive arms deals and took $6M+ in donations after they leveled our trade center.  Would it be fitting to call all of them Terrorists? Nope.  Same BS arguments.

I said I am onboard with investigation Russia's role in this election in the House and Senate. What I am not willing to do is to take the CIA's word with no proof and suspend the inauguration.  That would be unprecedented and without cause.
I don't think there are many people that want to do that. 

As has been stated before, there's little doubt the Russian hacks helped sway public opinion in Trump's favor. But those votes were actually cast. The voting machines weren't hacked. Trump won.

Now, was there collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians? Well that's one of the things we need to find out. During the investigation.

 
I could say the same for all the people love that their candidate willingly brokered massive arms deals and took $6M+ in donations after they leveled our trade center.  Would it be fitting to call all of them Terrorists? Nope.  Same BS arguments.

I said I am onboard with investigation Russia's role in this election in the House and Senate. What I am not willing to do is to take the CIA's word with no proof and suspend the inauguration.  That would be unprecedented and without cause.
Hillary  :rant: :rant:  You all need some new material.

 
I could say the same for all the people love that their candidate willingly brokered massive arms deals and took $6M+ in donations after they leveled our trade center.  Would it be fitting to call all of them Terrorists? Nope.  Same BS arguments.

I said I am onboard with investigation Russia's role in this election in the House and Senate. What I am not willing to do is to take the CIA's word with no proof and suspend the inauguration.  That would be unprecedented and without cause.
When someone criticizes your position and your stock reply is, but what about the other person????...that's not good.  Sure, it got Trump elected, but it's still not a defensible position because you're not engaging on the substance of the claim, but engaging in misdirection.

No one realistically is calling for suspending the inauguration, but likewise there's no real reason to doubt the CIA at this point, aside from the fact that the CIA and Trump are at odds.  The CIA has no real interest in this battle it seems to me, while Trump has a very strong interest to make his election seem as legitimate as possible.  When you look at who has the most to gain by lying about this, or misrepresenting facts, it's clearly Trump.

That truth alone should make you more hesitant to label the CIA as corrupt.

 
And Trump isn't going to triple down on the corruption? You're smarter than this.
based on how the CIA, media, Obama, and others are all pushing false narratives as well as Trump choosing a cabinet of lots of military-minded people...I suspect massive corruption is about to get exposed if Trump does indeed take office.  

 
Amazing the same people have the same arguments with the same people for hours every day and neither side will cave because both sides are dug in that their positions and sources are correct. It's comical watching the same meltdowns over and over on both sides here. 

 
based on how the CIA, media, Obama, and others are all pushing false narratives as well as Trump choosing a cabinet of lots of military-minded people...I suspect massive corruption is about to get exposed if Trump does indeed take office.  
Exposed by who?  His supporters and alt-right blogs?  Breitbart?  Are you serious? 

What happens when "mainstream media" sources start investigating conflicts of interest or possible corruption.  You and others like yourself will discount it as media bias, and listen only to what Trump tells you to believe, or what the other sources of information you read tell you.

In your scenario, realistically, who is going to be tasked with uncovering corruption in a Trump administration and reporting on it to the American people?

 
based on how the CIA, media, Obama, and others are all pushing false narratives as well as Trump choosing a cabinet of lots of military-minded people...I suspect massive corruption is about to get exposed if Trump does indeed take office.  
they are all out to get him!

back and to the left, back.....and to the left.

 
He hasn't even done anything but he has a high likelihood of being the most corrupt President ever!!!!  He must be stopped!!!!  
If you have a football player coming out of college putting up impressive stats, but who has had a ton of behavioral problems off the field...it's not ridiculous to say that this player is very likely to continue those behavioral problems into the NFL and be "highly likely" to exhibit them in his professional career.

 
Amazing the same people have the same arguments with the same people for hours every day and neither side will cave because both sides are dug in that their positions and sources are correct. It's comical watching the same meltdowns over and over on both sides here. 
I know, right?  You'd think after a decade of this something would have been done with all the people that mess up the front page with politics posts.  Those guys.. sheesh.  Get a life.

 
He hasn't even done anything but he has a high likelihood of being the most corrupt President ever!!!!  He must be stopped!!!!  
Yeah, like release his taxes, divest from his business interests, or retire his foreign debt.

He did manage to start a war of words with China, which seems to be escalating rapidly. Possibly so he could build a hotel in Taiwan. 

 
Amazing the same people have the same arguments with the same people for hours every day and neither side will cave because both sides are dug in that their positions and sources are correct. It's comical watching the same meltdowns over and over on both sides here. 
Yeah, it's like a ramblin wreck

 
based on how the CIA, media, Obama, and others are all pushing false narratives as well as Trump choosing a cabinet of lots of military-minded people...I suspect massive corruption is about to get exposed if Trump does indeed take office.  
Is this your way of quietly announcing you've sold FBG to Alex Jones? False narratives? Ok then.

 
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I am curious as to why trumpkids© were in the meeting held with top tech CEOs.  They can't legally serve in the government. 

I suppose Johnny Lunchbox and Mary Homemaker are happy the whole Trumpclan will be involved in governing.  Did I say jobs?

 
This op-ed piece sums it up pretty well:

Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media. Whether or not Trump is really such a middle finger is highly questionable, but that’s not the point. The point is enough people didn’t buy into the hysterical claims about Trump in the run up to the election, otherwise he wouldn’t have won. The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.

 
Amazing the same people have the same arguments with the same people for hours every day and neither side will cave because both sides are dug in that their positions and sources are correct. It's comical watching the same meltdowns over and over on both sides here. 
We are here to entertain you. Your welcome.

 
This op-ed piece sums it up pretty well:

Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media. Whether or not Trump is really such a middle finger is highly questionable, but that’s not the point. The point is enough people didn’t buy into the hysterical claims about Trump in the run up to the election, otherwise he wouldn’t have won. The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.
this I agree with and this is how the next election should be fought.  just be off the rails OUTRAGEOUS.  I'M OUTRAGEOUS!!!

dumb down the message to Johnny Lunchbox and Mary Homemaker.  I would begin calling Trump the ultimate insider.  also, I would make any and wild accusations, be it fact based or not.  just throw everything out there.

 
I could say the same for all the people love that their candidate willingly brokered massive arms deals and took $6M+ in donations after they leveled our trade center.  Would it be fitting to call all of them Terrorists? Nope.  Same BS arguments.

I said I am onboard with investigation Russia's role in this election in the House and Senate. What I am not willing to do is to take the CIA's word with no proof and suspend the inauguration.  That would be unprecedented and without cause.




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Joint Statement, dated 10/7, for the USIC - which includes the FBI, CIA, DHS, NSA, and 13 other agencies - about the hack. 

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities....




 
Again, you can chalk it up to the Globalist *coughcough* like Soros, Bezos and other billionaires with last names that are 5 letters long and end with "S" but what's the point?

 
If you have a football player coming out of college putting up impressive stats, but who has had a ton of behavioral problems off the field...it's not ridiculous to say that this player is very likely to continue those behavioral problems into the NFL and be "highly likely" to exhibit them in his professional career.
Under this assessment, Hillary would have had a high likelihood of setting up another illegal server, bleaching emails, and compromising our national security had she become president.

 
Joint Statement, dated 10/7, for the USIC - which includes the FBI, CIA, DHS, NSA, and 13 other agencies - about the hack. 

Again, you can chalk it up to the Globalist *coughcough* like Soros, Bezos and other billionaires with last names that are 5 letters long and end with "S" but what's the point?
Just like they all said about Iraq having WMDs...

 
Yeah, like release his taxes, divest from his business interests, or retire his foreign debt.

He did manage to start a war of words with China, which seems to be escalating rapidly. Possibly so he could build a hotel in Taiwan. 
The bolded here is the problem with conflicts of interest, and anyone who works in international business and trade has probably had to take at least one business ethics course about this (I have to take them yearly), even the appearance of a potential conflict is problematic and potentially legally actionable. 

Trump's current position on this is that he is literally above the law as President. 

 
This op-ed piece sums it up pretty well:

Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media. Whether or not Trump is really such a middle finger is highly questionable, but that’s not the point. The point is enough people didn’t buy into the hysterical claims about Trump in the run up to the election, otherwise he wouldn’t have won. The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.
racist? hateful? lunatics?  

Most of the people who oppose Trump and what he's done and what he's doing, have very specific reasons for their opposition.  We don't believe that one should call the CIA corrupt, simply because it puts out information that Trump disagrees with.  We don't agree with his appointments, or the approach he takes to singling out private citizens for attack on twitter.  We don't agree with how free and loose he plays it with the truth.

When we take issue with folks we disagree with, by and large (not all of us), do so on the issues.  If you feel any sense of ridicule, it's because the perception is that the positions you're taking are unreasonable.  Perhaps it's being overdone by folks who disagree, but the stakes are pretty high.

But I agree...most folks I know voted for trump as a middle finger to the establishment, to liberals, to PC culture, etc.  But what they didn't do was vote in support of Trumps platforms, by and large.  They voted for their own ideals, and they HOPE that Trump does stuff that they'll like.  They're willing to roll the dice with him in a way that I never would be comfortable doing.

IF they are able to vote for him with that mindset, but also carry a critical eye with them into his presidency regarding how he's doing, and whether it's good for America, that's a good thing.  But if they, like many here seem to beleive you're doing, lose track of any frame of reference beyond what trump is saying, it becomes a bad thing because they'll just end up supporting whatever he says and wants to do, however bad for America it might be.

When you invalidate all sources of information except for the ones you agree with or that Trump doesn't attack, what you're left with is essentially the equivalent of a China or Russia situation, self-imposed, where the only content you take in is that which is "state approved".

 
In other news...nothing to see here:

BREAKING: China's navy has seized an unmanned, underwater U.S. Navy vehicle in international waters of South China Sea.
I wonder when Trump will hear about this?  After he's done fighting with Vanity Fair or maybe when he's done congratulating himself for winning?  It's not like he needs briefs every day or anything, he's smart!

 
Since Donald Trump's election on November 8th, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has jumped 8%, the greatest stock market gain in the first five weeks for any president since 1900.

 
Under this assessment, Hillary would have had a high likelihood of setting up another illegal server, bleaching emails, and compromising our national security had she become president.
Hillary didn't set up the server, she used an existing one.  Also, there's no evidence our national security was compromised.  

But yes, if she were not to hand over complete control of her emails to someone else, and let other folks with better discretion handle that aspect of her administration, I would be concerned about how she handled that and it would be a fair concern.

Just because there would be concerns about Hillary going into office, doesn't mean the legitimate concerns about Donald Trump are any less true.

 
I think you and me are on the same page, but yeah. Once KGB always KGB.
I was on a page but the book I was reading got struck by lightning, fell into a canyon, rushed into stormy waters, eaten by a shark who got eaten by a bigger shark who got abducted by aliens, who dissected the thing dropping the book out of a garbage shoot letting it fall back to earth, getting burned up in the atmosphere, whose dusty remnants fell on the Capital Building in Washington DC like any other breeze on a November morning, and then made some little kid sneeze while they were taking the tour, sharing germs with the group around them getting everyone sick and spreading that to the far reaches of the community that sends their kids to that school.  Jury is still out if it was just a common cold or the start of World War Z.

But what really annoys me is that this all started because Putin had pizza at some place with pictures of actors on the wall that Spike Lee didn't like and he used a ping pong paddle to break one of them and then Hillary threw a garbage can at the window during one her speeches in New York and shouted "effing kids!" which some reddit poster took out of context and thought it was an admission that Bill Clinton does that sort of thing so that got shared by a billion people on Facebook which saw seen by some chick in Russia who was taking a break from using a guy as her sex slave who thought it was the perfect time to try to hack the DNC website to see if she could prove the pizza picture paddle Clinton thing and after she did she sent the information to Ed Snowden, who shared it will Julian Assanage, who called up Oprah and the Rothchild's to let them know that rook took knights pawn, and then Allepo blows up, all the bees are dying and there are actually people that don't like the current Star Wars movie because there is a chick in the lead again which of course is all a big cover up by the illuminati who are finally fed up with the crappy movies that are made about them not to mention the fact that they really really hate Nicholas Cage, so they are saying eff all, we're done, time to start breaking stuff but let's have some fun first and call that idiot Donald who always wants to sit in the big room and tell him we have a job for him.

So yeah, once KGB always KGB.  Who am I starting at QB this week with Luck hurt?  That is all that really effing matters on this website this week.  I mean seriously.  Priorities people..... Christ almighty it's like I'm playing cards with my brothers kids or something.

 
Joint Statement, dated 10/7, for the USIC - which includes the FBI, CIA, DHS, NSA, and 13 other agencies - about the hack. 

Again, you can chalk it up to the Globalist *coughcough* like Soros, Bezos and other billionaires with last names that are 5 letters long and end with "S" but what's the point?




 
The Guccifer hack is not what WikiLeaks posted.    

 
In other news...nothing to see here:
I wonder when Trump will hear about this?  After he's done fighting with Vanity Fair or maybe when he's done congratulating himself for winning?  It's not like he needs briefs every day or anything, he's smart!
the weekend update news bit on SNL.  I think that's his news source. 

 
I could say the same for all the people love that their candidate willingly brokered massive arms deals and took $6M+ in donations after they leveled our trade center.  Would it be fitting to call all of them Terrorists? Nope.  Same BS arguments.

I said I am onboard with investigation Russia's role in this election in the House and Senate. What I am not willing to do is to take the CIA's word with no proof and suspend the inauguration.  That would be unprecedented and without cause.
You should look up strawman argument fallacy

 
Since Donald Trump's election on November 8th, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has jumped 8%, the greatest stock market gain in the first five weeks for any president since 1900.
He's not even president yet and he's already knocking it out of the park.  But you realize that these numbers will be attributed to Obama in terms of: stock market numbers at end of Obama's administration vs end of Trumps administration?

 
This op-ed piece sums it up pretty well:

Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media. Whether or not Trump is really such a middle finger is highly questionable, but that’s not the point. The point is enough people didn’t buy into the hysterical claims about Trump in the run up to the election, otherwise he wouldn’t have won. The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.




 
You sure you want to borrow from the Liberty Blitzkrieg blog, Dodds? Those guys run in a different crowd.

 
Trump has the highest likelihood of being a corrupt president of any president in modern times.

His lack of knowledge on the world stage makes him susceptible to being played by foreign leaders more skilled and experienced than him.  His lack of desire to hear intelligence briefings and his over-reliance on his own intelligence puts him in a weaker position.  And most of all, his vast business exposure in areas where it'd be easy for foreign or domestic actors to gain favor or gain access through business donations/dealings, puts him at the most risk.  He's not a politician so he doesn't know the rules of the game in terms of what you can accept, what's an ethics violation, etc and he has no capability to listen to others tell him what he should and shouldn't do.

The man is going to be up to his neck in scandals before he knows what hits him.  And when it happens, he's going to blame everyone else and make Nixon look like a nun.
:shrug:

He has more experience dealing with foreign leaders than Obama did when he took the presidency.

 
He's not even president yet and he's already knocking it out of the park.  But you realize that these numbers will be attributed to Obama in terms of: stock market numbers at end of Obama's administration vs end of Trumps administration?
Yep, Trump's really going to have to knock it out of the park in order to not have stock performance to not be a negative for him.

 
Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media.
I honestly do not have a problem with this, see Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson.

The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.


- All I can say about this is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

- If someone brings a fact or claim against Trump and refers to an 'establishment' source, then if the presumption is made that Trump stands against warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics, then anything that is brought against Trump is warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunacy, and the sources used to support it are warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatic sources, so facts get ignored, things get - literally - dumber, because facts and evidence and normal democratic [small d] debate and reporting are ignored. So with every single day Trump gets dumber and his supporters like him more for reinforcing their dumbness, and the complaints get louder, and so the Trump supporters must by nature become dumber by ignoring more evidence to support him...

...so it's almost as though with every day Trump is rewarded for being dumb and for encouraging dumbness, and every day is actually the dumbest, ever, because it is inherently dumber than the day before, which had been the dumbest before that. And so on we go.

 
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Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt the very important bickering, but China seized a US Naval vessel in response to the PE's idiotic phone call.  Can someone explain to me again how not stupid all of this is going to be?

 
This op-ed piece sums it up pretty well:

Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media. Whether or not Trump is really such a middle finger is highly questionable, but that’s not the point. The point is enough people didn’t buy into the hysterical claims about Trump in the run up to the election, otherwise he wouldn’t have won. The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.
Many is probably like 20-30% of the Republican base. He was elected because sensible Republicans who understand exactly who and what Trump is wanted tax cuts and a conservative Supreme Court, and convinced themselves he could be contained. Now many of the same people are trying to excuse Russian interference in the election and his continued insane behavior. 

Please don't confuse our repeatedly pointing out the hypocrisy and escalating deaf, dumb, and blind routine for a "meltdown."

PS: It's not just liberals noticing this, I'd estimate about half of the anti-Trump posts in this thread are from some of more conservative posters on this board. At least by what we used to think of as conservative. 

 
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:shrug:

He has more experience dealing with foreign leaders than Obama did when he took the presidency.
Personal relationships with Putin and other leaders he's met through business ties aside, that's not the same as knowledge on the world stage with respect to running america.  With no experience with politics, little knowledge of foreign policy or likely the history of most countries (perhaps including the USA), he's going to be at a big disadvantage.

The presidency is a steep learning curve for everyone who enters it, but some people start off with more relevant knowledge than others, as well as a desire to learn from other smart people.  Trump doesnt' have much knowledge to draw on, and he doesnt' seem inclined to learn.  He wants people around him to tell him what to do, which is not a good position to be in when you're the one choosing who to put around you, and your knowledge isn't great to begin with.

 
The evolution of the plan:

- Paid protestors bussed in to create the appearance of riots

- Threaten the electoral college

- Claim Russia hacked the counting machines and get a recount

and now we are here: 

- Trump's win isn't legitimate because Russia interfered with the election.

Democrat Summary: 

Electors should overturn the results of a legitimately won election, because the "Russians" exposed the lies, deceit, corruption, and collusion of the Clinton campaign, the DNC, and the media.  
Paid protestors?  You know that was debunked over and over, right?

 
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