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Henry Ford said:
Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt the very important bickering, but China seized a US Naval vessel in response to the PE's idiotic phone call.  Can someone explain to me again how not stupid all of this is going to be?
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does this have anything to do with jobs, a wall or locking her up?

 
adonis said:
Personal relationships with Putin and other leaders he's met through business ties aside, that's not the same as knowledge on the world stage with respect to running america.  With no experience with politics, little knowledge of foreign policy or likely the history of most countries (perhaps including the USA), he's going to be at a big disadvantage.

The presidency is a steep learning curve for everyone who enters it, but some people start off with more relevant knowledge than others, as well as a desire to learn from other smart people.  Trump doesnt' have much knowledge to draw on, and he doesnt' seem inclined to learn.  He wants people around him to tell him what to do, which is not a good position to be in when you're the one choosing who to put around you, and your knowledge isn't great to begin with.
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I get it.  You don't like what you think might be his foreign policy.

Its not uncommon for a president to have little foreign policy experience before taking office though.  It's actually pretty common.

 
Henry Ford said:
Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt the very important bickering, but China seized a US Naval vessel in response to the PE's idiotic phone call.  Can someone explain to me again how not stupid all of this is going to be?
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You worry too much.  It was unmanned.  They basically stole a bathtub toy. 

 
jonessed said:
I get it.  You don't like what you think might be his foreign policy.

Its not uncommon for a president to have little foreign policy experience before taking office though.  It's actually pretty common.
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I'm not only talking about experience, I'm talking about knowledge.  Knowledge combined with experience is what allows you to filter new information and process it in a useful way.  The more of each you have, the better future decision you can make.  The less of each you have, the more likely future decision are to be wrong.  It's not a 1:1 correlation, but there's a strong correlation to more information/knowledge/experience to better decisions.  If he's outsourcing a lot of the knowledge/experience to other people, combined with a lack of desire to learn, it's not a promising situation.

 
Henry Ford said:
So, for those who don't believe a phone call can start a war - can seizing a US Naval vessel start a war?
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Seizing is such a strong word.  Assisting to land to effort a solution to unintended overreach of visual information gathering while reviewing procedures to ensure a seemless transition back to its origin department is being reviewed by upper management seems a lot more on point with what is going on.  They are basically helping us. 

 
Henry Ford said:
So... how about China seizing a US Naval vessel? All just saber rattling, right?
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People didn't care that they were flying nukes around the South China Sea.

Didn't care that they said they would take Taiwan by force if necessary.

Will they care now?  Its unmanned...so, probably not.  Cue a deflection to Iran taking a ship of ours and so on....

 
Henry Ford said:
Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt the very important bickering, but China seized a US Naval vessel in response to the PE's idiotic phone call.  Can someone explain to me again how not stupid all of this is going to be?
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It's fine. Trump is going to call them, and tell them that if they don't give that sub back they'll be paying 80% tax on all their imports, and they will call him back the next day and say sorry Mr. Trump, we will return your sub and erect a statue of you at Tienanmen Square, and would you like a ####### too?

 
sho nuff said:
People didn't care that they were flying nukes around the South China Sea.

Didn't care that they said they would take Taiwan by force if necessary.

Will they care now?  Its unmanned...so, probably not.  Cue a deflection to Iran taking a ship of ours and so on....




 
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I did not know the people got to decide these things.  Isn't Obama in charge? What's he going to do?

 
In the art of the deal, did Trump cover how to negotiate with foreign businesses whose army might go to war with your businesses army? 

 
Hail Mary #7 - Because Trump did not solve this immediately, it will likely be the next rallying cry to not have the electoral college vote him into office. 

 
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jonessed said:
I get it.  You don't like what you think might be his foreign policy.

Its not uncommon for a president to have little foreign policy experience before taking office though.  It's actually pretty common.
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Its not just about experience...he had little knowledge.

Hell, he knew almost nothing about the South China Sea (obviously given his position in the last few weeks and how things are going there right now).

 
Yankee23Fan said:
You worry too much.  It was unmanned.  They basically stole a bathtub toy. 
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My three year would lose his #### and possibly go on a destructive rampage if I stole one of his bathtub toys. And there's a decent argument that he is more mature and has absorbed the same amount of US intelligence as the president-elect.

We'll know we're in real trouble if Trump refuses to eat anything other than rainbow colored cheddar goldfish for dinner.

 
David Dodds said:
This op-ed piece sums it up pretty well:

Many of these people voted for Trump not because they like him or his policies, but because they just wanted to put up a gigantic middle finger in the face of the establishment and the mainstream media. Whether or not Trump is really such a middle finger is highly questionable, but that’s not the point. The point is enough people didn’t buy into the hysterical claims about Trump in the run up to the election, otherwise he wouldn’t have won. The lesson Trump opposition should have learned from Hillary’s loss is that the “just act like insane lunatics” approach to Trump doesn’t work against him. This would’ve been the logical conclusion reached upon genuine reflection and introspection, but this is not what happened.

Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.
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Is it ok to post content by others without links to the original source these days?

Asking for a friend, obviously

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
 


- In which we completely blow off our Arab allies who are supposedly going to pay for the war vs Isis.
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Perhaps you should become acquanted with future ambassodor David Friedman

Mr. Friedman, a bankruptcy lawyer who has represented Mr. Trump in matters involving Atlantic City casinos, has no diplomatic experience. He has long espoused hard-right, pro-Israel views that are often at odds with decades of United States policy toward the region.

He doubts the need for a two-state solution; endorses continued settlements in Palestinian territory and even the annexation of parts of the occupied West Bank; has accused the Obama administration of anti-Semitism; and once likened left-leaning Jewish critics to Nazi collaborators.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/david-friedman-us-ambassador-israel.html?_r=0

oh and here's the Russian link so my comrades on the right will understand:

He has opposed the US imposing terms on Israel and its borders, stating that its settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are not illegal and has also expressed openness to a one-state, bi-national solution.
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 https://www.rt.com/usa/370463-trump-david-friedman-ambassador-israel/

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
People are getting pretty Blasé about foreign countries ****ing with our ****.
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Funny thing is that before the election, you know Trump would have been all over this as yet another example of how weak our military has become and how America loses all the time because people aren't afraid of us anymore. Now? Same people who would have eaten that #### up suddenly don't care at all.

 
jonessed said:
:lol:

Or the person who ran navy ships past their "sovereign territory" or the guy that sold arms to Taiwan.

There isn't going to be a war.  It's the same BS.  They captured on unmanned aircraft over the summer.
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The difference is you would have to blame Obama on that one...back than Trump had zero chance of winning the election (at least that was what we were told by people who now know exactly what the future holds) so they didn't think it made sense to blame him for that one...and the blame Bush narrative was a little worn out so he was out as well...

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Wait, how can the electors (you know the ones who in fact elect the president) "disrupt the results of a legitimately won election?" 
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Because when California, Louisiana, Idaho, Nebraska, Texas, Oregon and Nevada calls out there votes in order, it's going to signal to everyone that the Clinton plan is in effect and Gerard Butler is going to zip line down and kill everyone in the room, and replace all of the cards that say Trump with ones for Hillary, and then the Russian secret agents that are in the place are going to quickly take the place of the elector that they have been surgically manipulated to look like and announce that they are done.

But they are going to overlook the one elector that lived.  He is going to make them pay.  Oh, and it's Channing Tatum.  Because, women like him so it will sell more tickets. 

 
David Dodds said:
I did not know the people got to decide these things.  Isn't Obama in charge? What's he going to do?
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I did not know I claimed people got to decide those things.

The point was about how Trump fans have reacted to such things as if they were no big deal.

As was predicted above...Obama in charge of China issue...but its Trump's stock market boom right?

 
China Holds First Live-Fire Drills With Aircraft Carrier, Warships


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Ten vessels and 10 aircraft engaged in air-to-air, air-to-sea, and sea-to-air combat drills that featured guided missiles, state broadcaster Chinese Central Television reported late on Thursday.

“This is the first time an aircraft carrier squadron has performed drills with live ammunition and real troops,” it said.

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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-holds-first-live-fire-drills-aircraft-carrier-warships/

 
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David Dodds said:
Indeed, what many so called “liberals” have done in their post-election meltdown is fully embrace exactly what they have always accused the opposition of being — warmongering, racist, hateful, insensitive lunatics. In their clouded hysteria, many of these people are turning into the monsters they claim to be fighting.
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Ok I'll bite.

Let's see the examples of liberals being warmongering racists since the election.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Having seen first-hand the reaction of someone with the maturity of a small child losing a bathtub toy, I'm fearful of how Trump responds to this.
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Give Pence some credit.  There will be a bowl of M&M's ready to go.

By the way, good history point there - that's why Reagan had jelly beans in the Oval.  Bush Sr. made sure they were there to take his attention away from a meeting if they needed to have a grown up talk or had to tell him for the 100 millionth time that no, you can't have fricken laser beams to play with at your desk.

 
sho nuff said:
Its not just about experience...he had little knowledge.

Hell, he knew almost nothing about the South China Sea (obviously given his position in the last few weeks and how things are going there right now).
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This just boils down to not agreeing with him.  That's fine.  I don't actually disagree with you.  I think his personality makes for a poor steady hand.  He's too brash and thin-skinned.

I don't know for sure how it will work out though and you guys are flinging so much poo around its obfuscating good arguments with random crap.

 
saintfool said:
Things got pretty intense in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea and Ukrainian conflict. 2015 Russians partnering with Syria also seems to have been a turning point in US-Russian relations.
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Those damn Russians getting in the way of Hillary having another we came we saw he died moment. 

Puuuuuutttttiiiiinnnnnnn!

 
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