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Captain Cranks

Captain Cranks

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I imagine the Trump supporters get a little tired of us haters spewing perpetual negativity about their candidate.  If they want to close their eyes and plug their ears to the insanity that is Trump's campaign, who are we to argue.  However, that doesn't mean we can't have our own thread to hate on the dude. 

https://youtu.be/1N5p8IXzNdc?t=9

Saints, I think this would be a good place for the anti-Trump articles you post.

Trump supporters, you're more than welcome to participate, but you better come in here with some pretty thick skin.  

I'll start things off with this tidbit from last night's townhall.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYGiFD15FVI

Anderson Cooper straight-up called this dude out.  Trump resorts to his normal, "that's the problem with this country."  The problem with this country is there's a standard that grown men shouldn't act like 5 year olds?   

 
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I think this is a great idea except that if Trump supporters can't have their on thread, why would you?

 
The exchange with Cooper is the kind of thing that used to get me excited, like okay, finally this idiot has been discredited and we can hear what the real candidates have to say. But then you realize who his supporters are. Case in point, Higgs said Trump was on fire last night.

I can agree with one statement by Trump: he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his numbers wouldn't drop.

Thats why this Lewindowsky thing is a complete waste of airtime. Yeah, in a world that makes any sense, it's awful and he should be fired by the campaign and Trump should distance himself. But I really think it's either neutral or even a net positive for his supporters. This kind of behavior is what's missing in Washington, according to them. Idiocracy achieved.

 
Drumph's reasoning of why the journalist didn't come forward earlier last night was like a perfect word for word explanation of why more women don't report assault. "If she was really hurt why didn't she say something earlier."

It's staggering that people support this guy. 

 
Captain Cranks said:
This is an attempt to give you guys your own thread and let us have ours.  
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Clearly there is no useful exchange of knowledge in the other thread, so I think this is a great idea. No one's changing anyone's mind. I have 80% of them on ignore anyway. I think this is a great idea, let them root on their guy over there and we can express the counterpoint here, free of the petty bs and reporting of posts. Just keep it free of personal attacks and mentioning anyone by name and we should be fine.

 
I am all for this thread.  Let it all out, Trump haters.  If it helps you sleep better at night I'm all for it.  And it keeps all this #### out of our thread, all the better.  :thumbup:

 
I don't really get the whole separating threads for supporters and haters thing...

Let's be real. It's not fun or interesting for either side to discuss these topics with only people who share the same viewpoint.

"Did you see the Bernie speech last night? It was awesome!"

"I agree. It was great!"

B-O-R-I-N-G

 
I don't hate Donald Trump. He's not a mass murderer or rapist or child abuser and is unworthy of that strong an emotion. I despise him and feel contempt for him. But I do hate what those who support him have done to the Republican Party and to this country. 

 
Skoo said:
I don't really get the whole separating threads for supporters and haters thing...

Let's be real. It's not fun or interesting for either side to discuss these topics with only people who share the same viewpoint.

"Did you see the Bernie speech last night? It was awesome!"

"I agree. It was great!"

B-O-R-I-N-G
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The problem is that Trump creates a whole different type of discussion/venom.  It really is like atheists and theists going head-to-head and usually devolves into namecalling.  

So far I'm enjoying the anti-Trump rhetoric.   

 
Skoo said:
I don't really get the whole separating threads for supporters and haters thing...

Let's be real. It's not fun or interesting for either side to discuss these topics with only people who share the same viewpoint.

"Did you see the Bernie speech last night? It was awesome!"

"I agree. It was great!"

B-O-R-I-N-G
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The trouble is the rules of this place, at least for me. It's easy enough to ignore all the trolls in there, but that leaves you with just 2 or 3 Trump guys who post more than a sentence or two at a time. So I give them the benefit of the doubt but pretty soon they're making little personal snipes and prove they're no better than the rest. So in my experience the phenomenon of the civil, intelligent Trump guy that I could debate without getting a timeout sadly does not exist, at least in this forum. Which incidentally completely lines up with what we already assume is happening with this Trump movement. 

And like I said, no one's changing anyone's mind. It's just an exercise of oneupsmanship and rising blood pressure and butthurt.

 
timschochet said:
I don't hate Donald Trump. He's not a mass murderer or rapist or child abuser and is unworthy of that strong an emotion. I despise him and feel contempt for him. But I do hate what those who support him have done to the Republican Party and to this country. 
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Why do you give a #### what happens to the Republican Party, you are a flaming liberal.

 
Captain Cranks said:
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I really don't want to join a "Hater" thread because I don't "hate" Donald Trump and I especially do not hate or disrespect his followers in any way. I believe in free expression, debate and open dialogue, I love democracy and to me that is its core value. So I am a lover, of free speech and opposing viewpoints.

- I will talk about whether people should be in walled threads or not though. - I started out in a sub-thread which was sort of a joke ribbing thread which had been abandoned, doing my thing. It's how I think, read, learn and discuss. People in the past have said they wished political or event threads were more about issues. Fine I enjoy that too. Sometimes I post things without comment because to me what candidates say and do say more than I ever could.

Anyway I was in that thread and I left the official "walled" thread 99% alone for my part. Then that thread got blown up by anger and trolling. Then a Romney thread from 2008 was converted, then that thread got blown up. Then everyone moved over to the abandoned thread where I had been quietly doing my thing mostly talking to myself. Then that thread got blown up by trolling and in the interim the very awesome Sanders thread dating to 2011 - which I personally resurrected - almost got destroyed.

We're talking about an 8 year old thread destroyed and 5 year old thread almost destroyed, and two other threads killed. Other threads started by Sida got locked. IMO the FFA has a problem. Personally to me the mods could do a better job. I thought what Clayton did in the Sanders thread was perfect. Call a timeout, lock it down temporarily, explain the situation, then release it after everyone has cooled off. It would also help if there was not so much reporting. In the Sanders thread Clayton said there were 23 reports against people speaking against Trump, 3 reports of people speaking for him. Take that however you want.

Personally, to me, people should talk. I enjoy the opposing view point which challenges my world view more than I do the people who agree with me. I think that debate and dialogue is an American principle. Trumpites talk about "Americans" - well to me being American starts with free speech, debate and rational discourse and argument. I think the "walled" thread is a TERRIBLE idea for the FFA. I thoroughly respected Sida's thread (except one time when I popped in to discuss what I thought was a major issue, which frankly had been posted by someone anti-Trump not a Trumpite and I emotionally reacted to that. Otherwise I stayed out) and I thoroughly respect Sida wherever he may be.

The funny thing to me is how no one pro or con wants to use Em's thread. That is bizarre and strange but I guess is just the sheer dislike for Em. I would resume my article-posty ways there and let whoever wants to pop in do so but people seem to be reluctant to even touch that thread, it's just funny.

So, point is I object to single-minded clique threads and especially any "hate" thread. Thanks.

- eta - I do think this could be a good thread to hash out any "trolling" accusations in the main thread though. If anyone starts raising personal issues or slamming others tell them to bring it here to sort it out.

 
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Would this be the appropriate thread for discussion about how much shakeup Trump is doing to the GOP this year? It appears that he has successfully pointed out that poorer Repulican voters haven't been doing all that well under current leadership, amid suspicions of cozying up entirely too closely with people making tons of money on Wall Street. Single payer health care and low cost college suddenly don't seem to look so un-American to people unable to afford it the traditional way.

Evangelical voters, to their dismay, have also learned that they don't swing the big stick in the party in 2016, either. The people angry at the Mooslims entering the country don't seem to be particularly Christian in their zeal; they're just mostly against anyone for whom English is not the first language. There is no widespread yearning for a return to biblical roots.

So it's fair to despise the Trump supporters for their xenophobia, their love of authoritarianism and their unfounded belief that a real estate huckster is the answer to the nation's problems but the fact remains that he and they have put a dent in establishment Republicans whose main principles have mostly been obstruction to progress and adherence to some kind of "American" values of a past that is being discarded. The hope here is that going forward conservatives are forced to see the inevitable direction in which the country is turning and bring some value to those inevitable changes.

 
Captain Cranks said:
This is an attempt to give you guys your own thread and let us have ours.  
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Since I'm only using Trump like a cheap whore to get my point across, can I join your group as well?

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Why do you give a #### what happens to the Republican Party, you are a flaming liberal.
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I'm not though. But even if I was, it's sad to see the party of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and Ronald Reagan come to this.

 
McGarnicle said:
Clearly there is no useful exchange of knowledge in the other thread, so I think this is a great idea. No one's changing anyone's mind. I have 80% of them on ignore anyway. I think this is a great idea, let them root on their guy over there and we can express the counterpoint here, free of the petty bs and reporting of posts. Just keep it free of personal attacks and mentioning anyone by name and we should be fine.
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I'm pretty sure I'm on this dude's ignore list.   This thread is great. A bunch of people so engaged in politics that they have a hate thread where they can speed up the hardening of their arteries. Good for the rest of us. :lmao:

 
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