Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nice move.
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Yep, spot on. Like I often say not all one QB leagues are equal.
But some who play in FFPC would still prefer Stroud. I'm just not one of them. I've long thought he was a little overrated in fantasy and felt that way before his terrible fantasy production last year(Did about 45 drafts last year and never drafted him). I think during his rookie year Denver Russ Wilson had as many top 12 weekly QB finishes. Overall upside and consistentcy just not up to level of someone I put high value on. He's on the same value tier to me as Brock Purdy.
Way I see the trade is in the short term I actually improve at QB and consider the most valuable piece of the trade the 2.6 in draft class where I'd stack up the second round vs any class.
kutta
Footballguy
Agreed. My JSN love is no secret. This is an absolute steal for that side, IMO.
Stroud easily for me, Tua is a net negative IMO. You can’t give him away in most leagues with his concussions.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd for sure trade this for ARSB. Don't really play in 16 team leagues so might change a few things but seems like a good deal for you.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Wow...this feels like a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. Higgins and Wilson aren't even close to the players ASB are and I'm not a ASB fan. I love Wilson but not a fan of Higgins personally and the injuries are a part of that. Just not sure how anyone can look at this and say that Higgins and Wilson are better players than ASB. We have seen it for years on the field that they aren't. That is like saying Kerry Collins was a better player than Brady because he had better intangibles that got him drafted higher. Lol but I get not liking some guys.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
12 team, PPR, Dynasty, Performance scoring. Start 10
Team A: gets JSN and Sam Laporta
Team B: gets Jonathan Taylor, Ricky Pearsall, and 2025 1.11
Team A is rebuilding, and Team B is a contending team.
Team A: gets JSN and Sam Laporta
Team B: gets Jonathan Taylor, Ricky Pearsall, and 2025 1.11
Team A is rebuilding, and Team B is a contending team.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Team A is getting a hell of a start to their rebuild. I’m much higher on that side, though I do like Pearsall.
I just don’t know what someone’s gonna get at 1.11 to replace that, and while JT Is an asset, he’s lost some of his luster.
IMO team A got the better of this trade in adding 2 elite players for a borderline elite + a pick & a maybe. Especially in a 10-team where you need hammers.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Standard 12team PPR League …
Give - Ricky Pearsall, Roman Wilson, 3.12
Get - 2026 1st, 2.09
I am rebuilding and have a bunch of picks and need to consolidate.
Give - Ricky Pearsall, Roman Wilson, 3.12
Get - 2026 1st, 2.09
I am rebuilding and have a bunch of picks and need to consolidate.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'd take JSN and Laporta even if I wasn't rebuilding
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This feels like someone is viewing JTs value way too high. He is good but JSN is a huge asset and LaPorta just had a down year. It's not terrible value I guess if you are high on Pearsall but 1.11 isn't a great asset in my oppinion.
More than a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. I already admitted ASRB has shoved it up my ***. I thought Jamo would steal the show in Detroit (TBH so did Detroit, one was drafted 12 overall, the other drafted in the 4th round). I told a friend to trade ASRB and a 1st for Kyle Pitts after their rookie years. Thankfully that league folded.Wow...this feels like a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. Higgins and Wilson aren't even close to the players ASB are and I'm not a ASB fan. I love Wilson but not a fan of Higgins personally and the injuries are a part of that. Just not sure how anyone can look at this and say that Higgins and Wilson are better players than ASB. We have seen it for years on the field that they aren't. That is like saying Kerry Collins was a better player than Brady because he had better intangibles that got him drafted higher. Lol but I get not liking some guys.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
Up to this point ASRB has had a perfect setup. Dome, Ben Johnson, a QB who is strong at throwing the ball to inbreaking routes and over the middle. Ben Johnson was the first domino to fall. What happens if Detriot realizes they can't win a SB with Goff and decides to pivot to a higher-ceiling QB? More variability.
The G Wilson/Arod thing left me befuddled, but hopefully GW will leave NYJ in free agency. Tee is tied to Burrow for the foreseeable future and is in for a big year if he can stay healthy. Have to think the Bengals are the favorites to lead the league in scoring with their defense.
I think a 24 yo G Wilson and 26 yo Tee Higgins can be considered still ascending, while ARSB has hit his peak. Though he's only 25 a 1515 yd/10 td year is massive peak. Have to give him props for playing while banged up, too.
While my ASRB hate may sound arrogant, I think pivoting to GW and Tee is the more humble approach. We simply don't know what the future holds. I'll take 2 good to very good players over 1 very good to great player over the next 5-7 years. As @Hot Sauce Guy said, WR roster depth comes into play.
As a Penn State fan, who knows what would have happened had Kerry Collins been drafted to be Belichik's QB?
I think Wilson and Tee are both more naturally talented receivers then ASRB. Things just have not worked out for them while as you are pointing out things have gone almost perfect for Amon-Ra. I certainly do give ASRB increased value for his toughness, durabilty and reliability so I'd not trade him straight him for these guys but this game does not give points for what you did, it's for what you'll do, situations change, and I'd quickly accept an offer of both WR's for ASRB and let the team keep Javonte.More than a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. I already admitted ASRB has shoved it up my ***. I thought Jamo would steal the show in Detroit (TBH so did Detroit, one was drafted 12 overall, the other drafted in the 4th round). I told a friend to trade ASRB and a 1st for Kyle Pitts after their rookie years. Thankfully that league folded.Wow...this feels like a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. Higgins and Wilson aren't even close to the players ASB are and I'm not a ASB fan. I love Wilson but not a fan of Higgins personally and the injuries are a part of that. Just not sure how anyone can look at this and say that Higgins and Wilson are better players than ASB. We have seen it for years on the field that they aren't. That is like saying Kerry Collins was a better player than Brady because he had better intangibles that got him drafted higher. Lol but I get not liking some guys.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
Up to this point ASRB has had a perfect setup. Dome, Ben Johnson, a QB who is strong at throwing the ball to inbreaking routes and over the middle. Ben Johnson was the first domino to fall. What happens if Detriot realizes they can't win a SB with Goff and decides to pivot to a higher-ceiling QB? More variability.
The G Wilson/Arod thing left me befuddled, but hopefully GW will leave NYJ in free agency. Tee is tied to Burrow for the foreseeable future and is in for a big year if he can stay healthy. Have to think the Bengals are the favorites to lead the league in scoring with their defense.
I think a 24 yo G Wilson and 26 yo Tee Higgins can be considered still ascending, while ARSB has hit his peak. Though he's only 25 a 1515 yd/10 td year is massive peak. Have to give him props for playing while banged up, too.
While my ASRB hate may sound arrogant, I think pivoting to GW and Tee is the more humble approach. We simply don't know what the future holds. I'll take 2 good to very good players over 1 very good to great player over the next 5-7 years. As @Hot Sauce Guy said, WR roster depth comes into play.
As a Penn State fan, who knows what would have happened had Kerry Collins been drafted to be Belichik's QB?
I've owned ASRB his entire career in a league he's been incredible for me but I share a lot of your concerns. I've tried trading him early last off-season when I thought Ben Johnson would leave. Offered him for 1.1. Got rejected. Earlier this off-season I offered ASRB/2.12 for Odunze/1.5/2.5 and also got rejected. Maybe they are doing me a favor, we'll see.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
I believe team "A" has outstanding value and an elite WR in JSN. Laporta came on at the end of the season and had a good season overall. Injuries were a bummer for Laporta in 2024, but his point total is still good. There has been change in both Detriot and Seattle, which may or may not play a role. Ben Johnson being gone does concern me a little, but it is a wait-and-see. Darnold will be fine with JSN, so I'm not concerned about that. Team "B" has Kittle, who I suppose played a role in it. If Jonathan Taylor plays like he did at the end of the season and stays healthy, that could be a significant factor. JT's health will determine a lot in this trade. Pearsall now has an opportunity with BA hurt and Deebo gone. Pearsall also finished big at the end of 2024. I think the Niners draft a WR or two, but if you like Pearsall and I do, I can see this being one of those trades that work out for both teams. The 1.11 is a crap shoot, but there is depth in this 2025 rookie draft. The 1.11 feels like a dropping-off point. I can see that 1.10 may be the drop-off point as well. The NFL landing spots will determine the drop-off point. In my opinion, it is undoubtedly more of a gamble for Team "B" just due to the unknowns in the deal.
joey
Footballguy
Nice deal for you. Not sure how you turned Pearsall and Roman Wilson, plus a dart throw pick, into ANY 1st rounder, let alone getting the 2.09 back as well.
Pearsall is worth a 1
sheerterror
Footballguy
Agreed. He was a late 1st/early 2nd by the end of draft season last year, flashed late in the season, and had a major situation uptick this winter. And it's a very weak WR class.
joey
Footballguy
Ok then. Call me low on Pearsal then
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
I thought it was a fair deal and it also helped me to consolidate my assets, which has some worth.
I'd agree, Pearsall is easily worth a late 1st this year and is being drafted in startups around that range. By all accounts 2026 is said to be very weak so I would value a random 2026 1st as less than a late 1st this year. For a rebuilder it's not bad especially with the upgrade to the 2.09 this year and Roman is unfortunately probably now worthless after the Metcalf trade.
joey
Footballguy
Fair enough.
Then I’ll just say, if Pearsall is worth a 1st, we can probably agree that Roman Wilson + 3.12 is <<<< 2.09.
And I’m also confused by “rebuilding” but shipping off Pearsall, who is a 2nd year WR who everyone is saying is worth a 1st, and next year’s draft class is “very weak”…why wouldn’t you keep Pearsall if you think he’s worth a late 1st this year, let alone next year.
Either way, I think we all agree that it’s a great trade for @Atomic Punk
joey
Footballguy
Oh man. Tough one. I roster Allen in one (non-superflex) FFPC a league, and occasionally consider what it would take for me to move on from him since he’s such a statistical advantage as my starting QB. In Superflex….wow. Not sure the above is enough for me to move on from Allen but I don’t think it’s highway robbery or anything.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Sometimes 4th rounders or later just are that good even though nobody knew it yet. ASB has proven it isn't a fluke. he dominates the middle of the field. I definitely don't believe in Goff but I think betting on that situation changing is a rough bet to make. Goff just signed an extension. I believe the new OC is still from Ben Johnson's system and ASB will still get a ton of targets which is all he needs to continue being a stud. I never thought Jamo was anything more than a field stretcher for them anyways either.More than a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. I already admitted ASRB has shoved it up my ***. I thought Jamo would steal the show in Detroit (TBH so did Detroit, one was drafted 12 overall, the other drafted in the 4th round). I told a friend to trade ASRB and a 1st for Kyle Pitts after their rookie years. Thankfully that league folded.Wow...this feels like a little bias trying to be right on not liking a guy. Higgins and Wilson aren't even close to the players ASB are and I'm not a ASB fan. I love Wilson but not a fan of Higgins personally and the injuries are a part of that. Just not sure how anyone can look at this and say that Higgins and Wilson are better players than ASB. We have seen it for years on the field that they aren't. That is like saying Kerry Collins was a better player than Brady because he had better intangibles that got him drafted higher. Lol but I get not liking some guys.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
Up to this point ASRB has had a perfect setup. Dome, Ben Johnson, a QB who is strong at throwing the ball to inbreaking routes and over the middle. Ben Johnson was the first domino to fall. What happens if Detriot realizes they can't win a SB with Goff and decides to pivot to a higher-ceiling QB? More variability.
The G Wilson/Arod thing left me befuddled, but hopefully GW will leave NYJ in free agency. Tee is tied to Burrow for the foreseeable future and is in for a big year if he can stay healthy. Have to think the Bengals are the favorites to lead the league in scoring with their defense.
I think a 24 yo G Wilson and 26 yo Tee Higgins can be considered still ascending, while ARSB has hit his peak. Though he's only 25 a 1515 yd/10 td year is massive peak. Have to give him props for playing while banged up, too.
While my ASRB hate may sound arrogant, I think pivoting to GW and Tee is the more humble approach. We simply don't know what the future holds. I'll take 2 good to very good players over 1 very good to great player over the next 5-7 years. As @Hot Sauce Guy said, WR roster depth comes into play.
As a Penn State fan, who knows what would have happened had Kerry Collins been drafted to be Belichik's QB?
I do love Wilson a lot and hope he goes somewhere else so I don't disagree with him at all but as of now he is just another good WR but not a top 5 guy. I think he has some big upside though but lots of guys show that but don't always realize it (especially in fantasy). Tee "if he can stay healthy" seems like a huge stretch since he hasn't been able to. Their D does mean that they will chuck a lot so I do think all of their offensive players have big years on a per game basis but the best ability is availability and he hasn't had that.
I don't fault you for liking that side of the deal either. I love Wilson, Tee has some upside, and maybe even J-Will can show some life. I do believe ASB has hit his ceiling but has proved that he can be pretty consistent. I just completely disagreed with stating that ASB was the 3rd best player in this trade. I'd take that side of the deal so I don't disagree with you there at all. I didn't mean to bash Kerry Collins. Lol. Just trying to make a point as he was a solid NFL player but never great.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is a lot to get for Allen but Herbert on a run first team, Aiyuk has only had one really good year, and the 1.10 is later than I would like so I'd take the Josh Allen side here personally but it isn't a crazy deal.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Great trade for you! Not an Aiyuk fan so don't think its even close
Raging weasel
Footballguy
FFPC
Odunze for 2026 1st and 3rd
Picks will probably be top 3 as the team getting Odunze is one of the worst looking teams on paper and only has picks 6.4 and 7.4 for this year.
Odunze for 2026 1st and 3rd
Picks will probably be top 3 as the team getting Odunze is one of the worst looking teams on paper and only has picks 6.4 and 7.4 for this year.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I was just in trade negotiations and they said they don't think Odunze is worth a first anymore. I disagreed. I would take Odunze, but really need that breakout this year
rockaction
Footballguy
I do not think this is at all accurate. He's held a decent amount of his value. That's some hardball negotiating right there. Or the guy actually believes it. I disagree.
eta* KTC has him as an early 2026 1st or the 1.06 this year, and they tend to overvalue picks just a bit. He's definitely still worth a first-round pick.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Why are so many people down on Aiyuk? People have short memories, he was clearly the best offensive player in that offense (when CMC wasn't healthy of course) and he's still young. I had tried moving him in a league I'm super deep at WR and people are treating him like he's just total garbage and worthless. I don't get that...
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, man. Sorry to hear that. I guess you had to, but I don't think I would have parted with Barkley even for Achane and Addison. I don't know . . . it's good value according to the calcs, but I just couldn't do that after the year Barkley had. I'd have run it back for two more or until the wheels fell off.
But that's me. Barkley is a unicorn to me and always has been. I've tried to acquire him so many times and I've just given up.
I'm sorry but I like it for the team getting Rome.
Draft class does not look strong next year, he's a prime breakout candidate and in FFPC some of the worst teams get pick 6 since it's a draft playoff.
I can see where 1.6 is reasonable right now. I hate idea of giving up fun of an upcoming draft pick and all the thought process I enjoy over the next few weeks that goes into those picks. In that range and higher you also might get a big value bump on the pick if some players, mainly RB's, land well or just overall rookie infatuation builds. So I'd probably hold on some of those top 5 type picks right now on idea Rome's value is probably not going up but the value on the picks might, probaly even..
Two things I'd add:
*if he was thrown back in this draft class he'd be a whole tier above any other WR. Hard to say how he'd stack up vs the whole class until the draft is over but if I had to draft right now knowing what I know today he'd be 1.3. My guess is he'll end up in that 1.3-1.6 range for me when it's said and done.
*I'm sitting on 11 first round picks right now and 10 of the 11 are between 1.7-.12, which sucks but that's a different story. I'd just say right now I'd give any of those 10 first round picks up for him, have tried a few places as well as some other offers.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Me too, I think he got Rome on the cheap.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I completely agree. They are a bad trade partner. The total trade offer was my JSN and Odunzer for his 2026 1st and 2nd (mid-late).
This was just this morning so it was interesting to see someone else value him at first instantly.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Damn, I'd give my 1st and 2nd + in the next 2 drafts for those guys.
Oh, ok, you are not the one giving up Rome. Good for you!
rockaction
Footballguy
That's abysmal. That belongs in the worst trade offers thread, and I don't say that too often. What do you have to gain from that deal? Odunze and JSN for a 2026 1st and 2nd? No way. I'd be polite, but at the same time convey to the person to pound a bit of sand while they were at it.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I was about to add to that thread. I tried being nice and he returned and told me all his worries about JSN and that is when the conversation ended for me.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I dislike when someone wants to trade for player x and then proceeds to tell you everything that is wrong with player x. I dislike that more than the bad offer spammer.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
I love when this happens. It gives me a reason to reply, “I guess we can just cut this off now since you don’t really value him”.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I actually said, "I wouldn't want this not to work out for you so I will just hold on to him."
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
No. F the bad offer spammer. They can rot in Hades while getting spammed by Beelzebub.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
He tore his ACL and MCL, and I'm pretty sure it was multiple ligaments, but don't quote me on that. He may get traded to an unknown team. Due to an injury, he may not play until the middle of the year or later. I do not think he is hot garbage myself, but this might be why you are having trouble moving him.
-OZ-
Footballguy
“That’s fine, I’d still need more than those picks for Rome”
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Recency bias is a real thing for sure in fantasy. Injuries can affect people differently so it can be a risk. Also, he was only really dominant in 2023 (with a decent 2022 but still barely cracked 1k yards) so it isn't like he has been great for a long stretch at all. Some people can talk themselves in to that being a fluke, especially coming off of an injury and already getting his bag.
I am a huge 49ers fan and am somewhere in the middle. I think he is being way undervalued right now but not sure he is as valuable as he was in his 2023 year. No way you can sell him in most leagues right now though or you are taking a loss for sure.
rockaction
Footballguy
10 Team 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1D/ST
QB scoring is 6 points per passing or rushing touchdown, 1 point for every ten yards passing, -4.5 for INTs, -2 points every ten incomplete passes
Gave: J.J. McCarthy, Brandon Aiyuk, Isiah Pacheco, 3.01, 2026 2nd round
Got: Josh Allen
QB scoring is 6 points per passing or rushing touchdown, 1 point for every ten yards passing, -4.5 for INTs, -2 points every ten incomplete passes
Gave: J.J. McCarthy, Brandon Aiyuk, Isiah Pacheco, 3.01, 2026 2nd round
Got: Josh Allen
joey
Footballguy
I’m not in any 10 team leagues but I assume collecting Uber studs is the way to go, and Josh Allen is that.
rockaction
Footballguy
You're right, but it's really the one point per every ten yards passing vs. the ten-team thing, one of which (the ten-team thing) has taken me an awfully long time to adjust to.
My other QBs are Herbert and Carr, so this was an absolute boon. Allen is close to the number one asset in our league. When running it through FootballGuys's customizable dynasty value chart, he's number four, and that's at 4 points every hundred yards and not ten.
