****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (31 Viewers)

[King of the Jungle]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

I still am in shock he did what he did last year. Probably against the grain, but he is one I would probably look to sell high…but if I did I would aim a lot higher than that offer.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

In terms of total PPG over the course of a season. Yes. In terms of weekly consistency that's a big hell no.

Again going outside of Zay in particular, but we had a discussion on week to week consistency here on FBG around 10 years ago. I'm not sure if things have changed at all since then, but the basic conclusion that most people agreed on was that week to week consistency is not predictable year over year.

That is, there's no pattern in predicting who will be weekly consistent or inconsistent looking at past production. Consistent players one year were inconsistent the next, and vice versa. There wasn't any correlation to future weekly consistency by looking at past weekly consistency.

I remember the standout example at the time was Chad Ochocinco, who notoriously was famous that one year for putting up a bunch of duds and then blowing up for a massive historical game as soon as you got annoyed enough to put him on your bench. Then 2 years later his repuation was that he was just a grinder that would consistently put up high end WR2 numbers but never gave you that big league winning week.

 

[kutta]

In terms of total PPG over the course of a season. Yes. In terms of weekly consistency that's a big hell no.

Again going outside of Zay in particular, but we had a discussion on week to week consistency here on FBG around 10 years ago. I'm not sure if things have changed at all since then, but the basic conclusion that most people agreed on was that week to week consistency is not predictable year over year.

That is, there's no pattern in predicting who will be weekly consistent or inconsistent looking at past production. Consistent players one year were inconsistent the next, and vice versa. There wasn't any correlation to future weekly consistency by looking at past weekly consistency.

I remember the standout example at the time was Chad Ochocinco, who notoriously was famous that one year for putting up a bunch of duds and then blowing up for a massive historical game as soon as you got annoyed enough to put him on your bench. Then 2 years later his repuation was that he was just a grinder that would consistently put up high end WR2 numbers but never gave you that big league winning week.

That may be true. But when you’re only averaging 12 (ish) PPG like Flowers, your bad weeks are REALLY bad. When you average 18 PPG, your bad weeks are still usually somewhat manageable.

 

[Enzo....the Baker]

16 teamer
Sent Christian Kirk, 2nd
For
Brooks, and a 3rd

Now that he's on PUP, I can IR him all year

 

[JoeJoe88]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

Jesus, what a bad trade.




For your leaguemate.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

In terms of total PPG over the course of a season. Yes. In terms of weekly consistency that's a big hell no.

Again going outside of Zay in particular, but we had a discussion on week to week consistency here on FBG around 10 years ago. I'm not sure if things have changed at all since then, but the basic conclusion that most people agreed on was that week to week consistency is not predictable year over year.

That is, there's no pattern in predicting who will be weekly consistent or inconsistent looking at past production. Consistent players one year were inconsistent the next, and vice versa. There wasn't any correlation to future weekly consistency by looking at past weekly consistency.

I remember the standout example at the time was Chad Ochocinco, who notoriously was famous that one year for putting up a bunch of duds and then blowing up for a massive historical game as soon as you got annoyed enough to put him on your bench. Then 2 years later his repuation was that he was just a grinder that would consistently put up high end WR2 numbers but never gave you that big league winning week.

That may be true. But when you’re only averaging 12 (ish) PPG like Flowers, your bad weeks are REALLY bad. When you average 18 PPG, your bad weeks are still usually somewhat manageable.

Well we're talking about a guy you can get for a 2nd round rookie pick here, so a little different baseline than if we're having a JJ vs. Chase discussion.

But really, I think you'd be surprised at how few guys actually meet your benchmark. I think people as a whole have overrated how consistent ANY wide receivers are, other than the top few.

Games with single digit fantasy points last year (PPR)

BTJ: 4
Lamb: 3
JSN: 4
McLaurin: 4
Wilson: 4
London: 3
Jeudy: 5
McConkey: 4
Evans: 4
Flowers: 4

All of those guys except Flowers were fantasy WR1's (finished in the top 12). So it was really just Chase, JJ, and Nabers that didn't put up a stinker in about a quarter of their games.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

Oof

 

[JoeJoe88]

Not involved, this one just went down in my league.

Team A gives Chase Brown, Tucker Kraft, 4.09

Team B gives Terry McLaurin, T.J. Hockenson

1.5 TE Premium, full PPR otherwise

 

[FreeBaGeL]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

Oof

Look man, Bucky Irving is Bucky Irving. But the 1.12 could be anything. It could even be someone as good as Bucky Irving!

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

Oof

Look man, Bucky Irving is Bucky Irving. But the 1.12 could be anything. It could even be someone as good as Bucky Irving!

He chose the mystery box

 

[JoeJoe88]

Not involved, this one just went down in my league.

Team A gives Chase Brown, Tucker Kraft, 4.09

Team B gives Terry McLaurin, T.J. Hockenson

1.5 TE Premium, full PPR otherwise

To add a little context, the team trading for Terry and Hock is all in for this season. Lost in the championship to me last year.

But to me, I’m not sure he even improved his team for the short-term. Curious how others feel, but I could see Kraft putting up similar numbers to Hock this season and I would expect Brown to outscore Terry.

 

[mjb03003]

Not involved, this one just went down in my league.

Team A gives Chase Brown, Tucker Kraft, 4.09

Team B gives Terry McLaurin, T.J. Hockenson

1.5 TE Premium, full PPR otherwise

To add a little context, the team trading for Terry and Hock is all in for this season. Lost in the championship to me last year.

But to me, I’m not sure he even improved his team for the short-term. Curious how others feel, but I could see Kraft putting up similar numbers to Hock this season and I would expect Brown to outscore Terry.

Eh, I’m still a pretty big believer in Hock in that format. He nearly had 100 receptions in 2023 despite busting his knee in week 15, then last year played about half the season (and his snaps were more limited) and still had 40+/400+ coming off the injury. I’d set 80/800 as his median projection for 2025 which is huge in TE Prem and Kraft just doesn’t figure to see that sort of volume (and I love Kraft).

Agree that McLaurin and Brown should be close, but Terry has been very steady and is in no danger of losing his job or finding himself in more of a committee.

Just my .02

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

This was the year we were all supposed to get starting caliber RB's to be instant contenders and the draft really only produced 5 RB's with a fantasy first round grade for me.

Not to get off subject but ADP(using FFPC), and me, has 6 RB's in the first 8-9 players.

Compare that probably the greatest RB class of all time, 2017, which had an ADP of 4 RB's in the top 10 but 6 in the top 12, 7 in top 13.

And both classes were comparable in terms of competition among WR and TE's so on the whole seems pretty comparable.

Not sure what your expectation is, and I've seen some other people express disappointment with the RB class, but I feel like it's really strong and we were not oversold on it at all.

Talent drafted into RBBC is what I see. Redraft has 2 RBs worthy of draft capital. Also, maybe 2 WRs, TE had Bowers going 7th-9th round... maybe TEs around there hoping for Bowers but they won't be... this entire class doesn't show immediate return.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not involved, this one just went down in my league.

Team A gives Chase Brown, Tucker Kraft, 4.09

Team B gives Terry McLaurin, T.J. Hockenson

1.5 TE Premium, full PPR otherwise

To add a little context, the team trading for Terry and Hock is all in for this season. Lost in the championship to me last year.

But to me, I’m not sure he even improved his team for the short-term. Curious how others feel, but I could see Kraft putting up similar numbers to Hock this season and I would expect Brown to outscore Terry.

I’d rather have Brown+Tucker regardless of team direction.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

Oof

Look man, Bucky Irving is Bucky Irving. But the 1.12 could be anything. It could even be someone as good as Bucky Irving!

He chose the mystery box

I’ll never understand that move.

 

[kutta]

In terms of total PPG over the course of a season. Yes. In terms of weekly consistency that's a big hell no.

Again going outside of Zay in particular, but we had a discussion on week to week consistency here on FBG around 10 years ago. I'm not sure if things have changed at all since then, but the basic conclusion that most people agreed on was that week to week consistency is not predictable year over year.

That is, there's no pattern in predicting who will be weekly consistent or inconsistent looking at past production. Consistent players one year were inconsistent the next, and vice versa. There wasn't any correlation to future weekly consistency by looking at past weekly consistency.

I remember the standout example at the time was Chad Ochocinco, who notoriously was famous that one year for putting up a bunch of duds and then blowing up for a massive historical game as soon as you got annoyed enough to put him on your bench. Then 2 years later his repuation was that he was just a grinder that would consistently put up high end WR2 numbers but never gave you that big league winning week.

That may be true. But when you’re only averaging 12 (ish) PPG like Flowers, your bad weeks are REALLY bad. When you average 18 PPG, your bad weeks are still usually somewhat manageable.

Well we're talking about a guy you can get for a 2nd round rookie pick here, so a little different baseline than if we're having a JJ vs. Chase discussion.

But really, I think you'd be surprised at how few guys actually meet your benchmark. I think people as a whole have overrated how consistent ANY wide receivers are, other than the top few.

Games with single digit fantasy points last year (PPR)

BTJ: 4
Lamb: 3
JSN: 4
McLaurin: 4
Wilson: 4
London: 3
Jeudy: 5
McConkey: 4
Evans: 4
Flowers: 4

All of those guys except Flowers were fantasy WR1's (finished in the top 12). So it was really just Chase, JJ, and Nabers that didn't put up a stinker in about a quarter of their games.

This whole discussion with Flowers started because people are saying they wouldn’t accept a high first for him this year.
If we are talking about a mid-second rookie pick for him? I’m fine. Carry on.

Edit: In my league Flowers had 6 games with single digits. And let’s bump that arbitrary mark up by 2 points, and he had 5 more games with 11 or less points.

So he had 11 games with 11 or less points.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This whole discussion with Flowers started because people are saying they wouldn’t accept a high first for him this year.
If we are talking about a mid-second rookie pick for him? I’m fine. Carry on.

Edit: In my league Flowers had 6 games with single digits. And let’s bump that arbitrary mark up by 2 points, and he had 5 more games with 11 or less points.

So he had 11 games with 11 or less points.

The discussion actually started with Flowers being traded for 2.03, and in that context.

I believe it was only one person that mentioned having him very high (higher than any WR in this class).

My personal involvement in it was actually mainly about the argument that his and Baltimore's ceiling were capped, and that the notion of a capped ceiling player is a fallacy that often leads to missing guys. Likewise, the notion that you can predict weekly inconsistency is a fallacy (which resonated with me because I created a study about it on this forum more than a decade ago).

Though to be fair, those discussions did lead me to feeling better about Flowers than before the discussion. But again, that was in the context of Flowers compared to 2.03, or Flowers in general. I don't personally have Flowers anywhere near the top WR in this class or an early 1st. But I likewise believe that it is foolish to think his ceiling is capped to what he scored in his age 23 season with a TD rate that was probably a bit of an aberration to the low side (and which is historically a high variance stat).

 

[kutta]

This whole discussion with Flowers started because people are saying they wouldn’t accept a high first for him this year.
If we are talking about a mid-second rookie pick for him? I’m fine. Carry on.

Edit: In my league Flowers had 6 games with single digits. And let’s bump that arbitrary mark up by 2 points, and he had 5 more games with 11 or less points.

So he had 11 games with 11 or less points.

The discussion actually started with Flowers being traded for 2.03, and in that context.

I believe it was only one person that mentioned having him very high (higher than any WR in this class).

My personal involvement in it was actually mainly about the argument that his and Baltimore's ceiling were capped, and that the notion of a capped ceiling player is a fallacy that often leads to missing guys. Likewise, the notion that you can predict weekly inconsistency is a fallacy (which resonated with me because I created a study about it on this forum more than a decade ago).

Though to be fair, those discussions did lead me to feeling better about Flowers than before the discussion. But again, that was in the context of Flowers compared to 2.03, or Flowers in general. I don't personally have Flowers anywhere near the top WR in this class or an early 1st. But I likewise believe that it is foolish to think his ceiling is capped to what he scored in his age 23 season with a TD rate that was probably a bit of an aberration to the low side (and which is historically a high variance stat).

I get that. But again, I’ll say that inconsistency from a good WR isn’t nearly as bad as one from an average WR.
In my league, Flowers had 6 games in single digits and 5 more games under 11 points. So 11 total games at 11 or less.

ARSB, I picked him because you listed him and I’m a Lions fan, had 2 games in single digits and one other game under 11, so a total of 3 games at 11 or less.

Now sure, ARSB had some crummy games, but his crummy games aren’t nearly as bad as Flowers crummy games.

All players fluctuate, but when you average around 12 PPG, your bad games are just going to be really bad.

 

[sheerterror]

Not involved, this one just went down in my league.

Team A gives Chase Brown, Tucker Kraft, 4.09

Team B gives Terry McLaurin, T.J. Hockenson

1.5 TE Premium, full PPR otherwise

Owner of Brown and Kraft (as well as Terry) in an identical format. I'm keeping the Brown side here. Hock is overvalued IMO.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Not involved, this one just went down in my league.

Team A gives Chase Brown, Tucker Kraft, 4.09

Team B gives Terry McLaurin, T.J. Hockenson

1.5 TE Premium, full PPR otherwise

Owner of Brown and Kraft (as well as Terry) in an identical format. I'm keeping the Brown side here. Hock is overvalued IMO.

Agree 100%. I believe Kraft’s second full season he just had would’ve just been Hock’s third best of his much longer career. I know part of that is injuries, but do we expect that to go away the older he gets?

I’ll take the youth.

 

[IHEARTFF]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

 

[heckmanm]

12 team 1QB PPR TEP

Gave: JJ McCarthy
Got: Trevor Lawrence

 

[JohnnyU]

12 team 1QB PPR TEP

Gave: JJ McCarthy
Got: Trevor Lawrence

Looks like a wash to me.

 

[JoeJoe88]

12 team 1QB PPR TEP

Gave: JJ McCarthy
Got: Trevor Lawrence

Honestly can’t decide how I feel about this one.

 

[heckmanm]

Yeah, I checked a couple of rankings. KTC had it as even. FBG had Lawrence ranked a few slots higher. Both coming off injury. Taking the chance that Lawrence will show why he was 1.01 with the new regime in JAX

Either guy is my QB 2/3 behind Hurts, along with Bryce Young. Might look to flip one or the other during the season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah, I checked a couple of rankings. KTC had it as even. FBG had Lawrence ranked a few slots higher. Both coming off injury. Taking the chance that Lawrence will show why he was 1.01 with the new regime in JAX

Either guy is my QB 2/3 behind Hurts, along with Bryce Young. Might look to flip one or the other during the season.

I'd probably try to flip Bryce Young while he rebuilt some value last year. I don't trust him at all.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Gave two nickels for a concussed dime. I like it!

 

[barackdhouse]

This whole discussion with Flowers started because people are saying they wouldn’t accept a high first for him this year.
If we are talking about a mid-second rookie pick for him? I’m fine. Carry on.

Edit: In my league Flowers had 6 games with single digits. And let’s bump that arbitrary mark up by 2 points, and he had 5 more games with 11 or less points.

So he had 11 games with 11 or less points.

The discussion actually started with Flowers being traded for 2.03, and in that context.

My personal involvement in it was actually mainly about the argument that his and Baltimore's ceiling were capped, and that the notion of a capped ceiling player is a fallacy that often leads to missing guys.
But I likewise believe that it is foolish to think his ceiling is capped to what he scored in his age 23 season with a TD rate that was probably a bit of an aberration to the low side (and which is historically a high variance stat).

I know this ceiling idea is definitely the main thrust of this discussion. I think your wisdom here does truly apply in many situations. I would typically agree but I just strongly feel Baltimore is maybe THE exception and I'd be shocked if Flowers didn't get a big extension to stay there.

In the Lamar Jackson era:

2024 554 runs : 501 pass plays (2nd in run%) - #1 target = 116 Flowers
2023 541 runs : 535 pass plays (1st in run%) - #1 target = 108 Flowers
2022 526 runs : 526 pass plays (3rd in run%) - #1 target = 113 Andrews
2021 517 runs : 668 pass plays (11th in run%) - #1 target = 153 & 146 Andrews and Hollywood
2020 555 runs : 438 pass plays (1st in run%) - #1 target = 100 Andrews
2019 596 runs : 468 pass plays (1st in run%) - #1 target = 98 Andrews

2021 is one out of six seasons here but that was also the year the Ravens ran out the broken shells of Devontae Freeman, Latavius Murray, and even Leveon Bell got 31 carries. They had no running game and I really don't think that season is representative of what the Ravens want to be doing.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

ETA nevermind I thought this was Tyler Warren in my head. I'd take Olave but don't love it.

 

[JohnnyU]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

 

[menobrown]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

Yeah, I thought was Tyler Warren at first and was going to give it a big " I agree" but then saw it was Jaylen.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Btw, I believe he was closer to 14 ppg last year in PPR.

We must have different scoring systems. He only had 3 games over 20 in my league, and averaged 12.1, right between Rashid Shaheed and Khalil Shakir.

I'm not looking to get into the Zay Flowers debate, I'm sure it's all been covered, but in FFPC leagues which are standard PPR with performance scoring(which I don't think factored into a single point for him since he does not play defense or special teams) he's hit exactly 12.9 PPG each of his two seasons. Not sure how all these numbers can be so far off from each other? I don't think he's ever fumbled, has one rushing TD and one 2 point conversion. Pretty standard stuff. Was actually right between DK and Pickens in this format last year.

Either way his PPG production is amazingly consistent considering his actual week to week variance is very much not that.

I think people all can agree he is a consistent asset. I think the argument is more that people are talking him up as a great fantasy asset with this huge ceiling and being worth a top 3 pick. He is fine but I'd much rather take a top 7-8 pick in this draft easily and swing for something that can truly be special. Like Brian Thomas last year who went in that range or later.

In all fairness though, BTJ (removing anything he has done in the NFL) would have been the top WR prospect this year. I think BTJ's college film is better than Tet McMillan or Travis Hunter. This draft isn't as stacked as advertised because a lot of players went to spots that are pretty meh.

This was the year we were all supposed to get starting caliber RB's to be instant contenders and the draft really only produced 5 RB's with a fantasy first round grade for me.

I don't think Zay Flowers is a stud but comparing any WR to BTJ in this draft class seems pretty far-fetched.

Comparing Hunter to BTJ farfetched? How so?

BTJ was in his 3rd season and had Nabers pulling traffic for him. He is a great WR and was great in college too

But Hunter had more receptions and more yds. 2 fewer TDs, in his 2nd season, w no other weapons and playing both sides of the ball

Not sure how there's no comparison

I can get the argument here but we don't even know if Hunter will play 100% of the snaps on offense. Playing both sides opens him up to injuries way more than not. Also,, Hunter played for Colorado in the Big 10 where BTJ played in the SEC. Makes a huge difference. Also, I think he passes the eye test more for me. I view him as a much better prospect but I'm not high on Hunter personally. I can see how some could make the argument though. Its not crazy far fetched but I feel very confident on being on the BTJ side and don't feel its all that close.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

Yeah, I thought was Tyler Warren at first and was going to give it a big " I agree" but then saw it was Jaylen.

Oh crap no no no I totally was thinking Tyler Warren in my head I saw the FFPC so it's TE premium. No no totally different calculation haha. In that case yeah I'll take Olave but it's sort of close.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

This was the year we were all supposed to get starting caliber RB's to be instant contenders and the draft really only produced 5 RB's with a fantasy first round grade for me.

Not to get off subject but ADP(using FFPC), and me, has 6 RB's in the first 8-9 players.

Compare that probably the greatest RB class of all time, 2017, which had an ADP of 4 RB's in the top 10 but 6 in the top 12, 7 in top 13.

And both classes were comparable in terms of competition among WR and TE's so on the whole seems pretty comparable.

Not sure what your expectation is, and I've seen some other people express disappointment with the RB class, but I feel like it's really strong and we were not oversold on it at all.

I agree here. I do think people are reaching a bit to truly compare this class to 2017 but I do have 6 RBs easily in the top 10 personally. Hard to think we will get the later graded players in this class like 2017 got with Kittle, Godwin, Aaron Jones, Kamara in the 3rd but only time will tell. I like this class a lot and think people are just low on it due to hating the QBs and the top 10 WRs that got drafted aren't all that exciting.

 

[menobrown]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

Yeah, I thought was Tyler Warren at first and was going to give it a big " I agree" but then saw it was Jaylen.

Oh crap no no no I totally was thinking Tyler Warren in my head I saw the FFPC so it's TE premium. No no totally different calculation haha. In that case yeah I'll take Olave but it's sort of close.

I strongly suspected you made the same mistake I almost did.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team SF, TE-premium league

Traded

1.12
2.12

for

Bucky Irving

Someone re-assure me that there isn't some news on Irving's health that I was not aware of.

This feels extremely low for Bucky. A mid 1st should be the lowest anyone should take for him. Like 1.06ish.

 

[Buckna]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Instant reject. Both Warren and Kmet could be out of the job very soon. Even if Kaleb stumbles, Warren turns 28 next year when he's a FA RB. Even if you don't want to touch Olave's concussions there are still people that will gamble on him staying healthy and getting back to his WR1-2 status. Based on current market value this is the equivalent of trading a late 2nd and a mid-3rd for a late 1st.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Btw, I believe he was closer to 14 ppg last year in PPR.

We must have different scoring systems. He only had 3 games over 20 in my league, and averaged 12.1, right between Rashid Shaheed and Khalil Shakir.

I'm not looking to get into the Zay Flowers debate, I'm sure it's all been covered, but in FFPC leagues which are standard PPR with performance scoring(which I don't think factored into a single point for him since he does not play defense or special teams) he's hit exactly 12.9 PPG each of his two seasons. Not sure how all these numbers can be so far off from each other? I don't think he's ever fumbled, has one rushing TD and one 2 point conversion. Pretty standard stuff. Was actually right between DK and Pickens in this format last year.

Either way his PPG production is amazingly consistent considering his actual week to week variance is very much not that.

I think people all can agree he is a consistent asset. I think the argument is more that people are talking him up as a great fantasy asset with this huge ceiling and being worth a top 3 pick. He is fine but I'd much rather take a top 7-8 pick in this draft easily and swing for something that can truly be special. Like Brian Thomas last year who went in that range or later.

In all fairness though, BTJ (removing anything he has done in the NFL) would have been the top WR prospect this year. I think BTJ's college film is better than Tet McMillan or Travis Hunter. This draft isn't as stacked as advertised because a lot of players went to spots that are pretty meh.

This was the year we were all supposed to get starting caliber RB's to be instant contenders and the draft really only produced 5 RB's with a fantasy first round grade for me.

I don't think Zay Flowers is a stud but comparing any WR to BTJ in this draft class seems pretty far-fetched.

Comparing Hunter to BTJ farfetched? How so?

BTJ was in his 3rd season and had Nabers pulling traffic for him. He is a great WR and was great in college too

But Hunter had more receptions and more yds. 2 fewer TDs, in his 2nd season, w no other weapons and playing both sides of the ball

Not sure how there's no comparison

I can get the argument here but we don't even know if Hunter will play 100% of the snaps on offense. Playing both sides opens him up to injuries way more than not. Also,, Hunter played for Colorado in the Big 10 where BTJ played in the SEC. Makes a huge difference. Also, I think he passes the eye test more for me. I view him as a much better prospect but I'm not high on Hunter personally. I can see how some could make the argument though. Its not crazy far fetched but I feel very confident on being on the BTJ side and don't feel its all that close.

Other than snap count, which will likely be closely monitored, how does playing both ways increase risk of injury?

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

This was the year we were all supposed to get starting caliber RB's to be instant contenders and the draft really only produced 5 RB's with a fantasy first round grade for me.

Not to get off subject but ADP(using FFPC), and me, has 6 RB's in the first 8-9 players.

Compare that probably the greatest RB class of all time, 2017, which had an ADP of 4 RB's in the top 10 but 6 in the top 12, 7 in top 13.

And both classes were comparable in terms of competition among WR and TE's so on the whole seems pretty comparable.

Not sure what your expectation is, and I've seen some other people express disappointment with the RB class, but I feel like it's really strong and we were not oversold on it at all.

I agree here. I do think people are reaching a bit to truly compare this class to 2017 but I do have 6 RBs easily in the top 10 personally. Hard to think we will get the later graded players in this class like 2017 got with Kittle, Godwin, Aaron Jones, Kamara in the 3rd but only time will tell. I like this class a lot and think people are just low on it due to hating the QBs and the top 10 WRs that got drafted aren't all that exciting.

I guess what I am saying is after pick 1.05, I think player values start to blend together and in my eyes 1.06 has no more value than 2.04 and I attribute my feelings to draft situation for many players.

1. Jeanty
2. Hampton
3. Hunter
4. McMillan
5. Judkins/Harvey

Everyone from Henderson to Skattebo, Burden to Egbuka to Goldin, both TE's Loveland and Warren, Cam Ward...

I think there are a lot of questions or obstacles for these players and you can trade pick 1.06 for 2.06 and probably get the same caliber of rookie + additional capital.

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Olave by 6 miles

 

[IHEARTFF]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

Yeah, I thought was Tyler Warren at first and was going to give it a big " I agree" but then saw it was Jaylen.

Oh crap no no no I totally was thinking Tyler Warren in my head I saw the FFPC so it's TE premium. No no totally different calculation haha. In that case yeah I'll take Olave but it's sort of close.

I strongly suspected you made the same mistake I almost did.

Sorry for the confusion. There was no need for me to state TEP with no TE involved.

 

[IHEARTFF]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Instant reject. Both Warren and Kmet could be out of the job very soon. Even if Kaleb stumbles, Warren turns 28 next year when he's a FA RB. Even if you don't want to touch Olave's concussions there are still people that will gamble on him staying healthy and getting back to his WR1-2 status. Based on current market value this is the equivalent of trading a late 2nd and a mid-3rd for a late 1st.

I thought I would get countered but got an accept with no notes so lol

 

[JohnnyU]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Instant reject. Both Warren and Kmet could be out of the job very soon. Even if Kaleb stumbles, Warren turns 28 next year when he's a FA RB. Even if you don't want to touch Olave's concussions there are still people that will gamble on him staying healthy and getting back to his WR1-2 status. Based on current market value this is the equivalent of trading a late 2nd and a mid-3rd for a late 1st.

I thought I would get countered but got an accept with no notes so lol

I wouldn't laugh at a guy you trade with in case he reads FBGs....just sayin'. It's not good for future trading.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

Warren by a significant amount.

Wut? I'd rather take my chances with Olave than with a guy the Steelers obviously don't want to be a 3 down back. They get rid of Harris and Warren owners are uplifted, only to be deflated when they draft Johnson. I got rid of Warren at the right time IMO.

Yeah, I thought was Tyler Warren at first and was going to give it a big " I agree" but then saw it was Jaylen.

Oh crap no no no I totally was thinking Tyler Warren in my head I saw the FFPC so it's TE premium. No no totally different calculation haha. In that case yeah I'll take Olave but it's sort of close.

I strongly suspected you made the same mistake I almost did.

Sorry for the confusion. There was no need for me to state TEP with no TE involved.

no need to apologize and no of course there was no need to state it, I was just saying my mind went there when I read Warren

 

[titusbramble]

10 team SF, couple of in trade drafts gone down, one involved one not
Sent - 4.03, Cousins
Got - 3.06

Then:
Team A gets 2.01 (picks Golden)
Team B gets 2.07, 2026 3rd (prob not late)

 

[joey]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

.

Sorry for the confusion. There was no need for me to state TEP with no TE involved.

I think @IHEARTFF needs to take a break after a tough FFPC draft week. (See my 2 bolded sections above)

 

[IHEARTFF]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

.

Sorry for the confusion. There was no need for me to state TEP with no TE involved.

I think @IHEARTFF needs to take a break after a tough FFPC draft week. (See my 2 bolded sections above)

Oh man. I think you’re right about taking a break. I’ve mentally retired Cole Kmet, so I didn’t even think about him.

 

[JohnnyU]

FFPC 1qb TEP

gave Jaylen Warren, Cole Kmet
got Chris Olave

.

Sorry for the confusion. There was no need for me to state TEP with no TE involved.

I think @IHEARTFF needs to take a break after a tough FFPC draft week. (See my 2 bolded sections above)

Some days you wake up and put salt in your coffee.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team SF PPR IDP TE-P

New team looking to make moves. I was looking at Barkley, but wanted to hang on to Breece.

He needed LB, where I’m deep.

I gave: Okereke+Barnes
I rec’d: Trey Benson

Also, I have Conner as one of my 3 useful RBs, so this felt solid. ETA: also clears a roster spoT (8 more to go)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ve mentally retired Cole Kmet

Bro that man has a family!

Also he needs to get some targets, so I’m pretending to not hear this. Lalalalalala