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12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
Better than the Julio trade posted on page 12 ( :X ) but I'd still take Julio here.12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
Julio12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
Allen for me even if it is the 1.1.With all the Keenan Allen talk going around, I thought this was interesting. I'm not involved:
Team 1 gave up:
Lewis, Dion NEP RB
Diggs, Stefon MIN WR
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Rednecks
Team 2 gave up:
Allen, Keenan SDC WR
Tough one for me because I think Lewis and Diggs are both quality players. It might depend on what spot that pick is.With all the Keenan Allen talk going around, I thought this was interesting. I'm not involved:
Team 1 gave up:
Lewis, Dion NEP RB
Diggs, Stefon MIN WR
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Rednecks
Team 2 gave up:
Allen, Keenan SDC WR
OBJ for meThis went down this morning in FFPC league I'm in but I'm not involved in trade:
Team A gave:
Beckham
Cousins
Amendola
Team B gave:
David Johnson
Jarvis Landry
Carlos Hyde
2016 third, I think pick 9 or 10.
As it's FFPC this trade is basically the package Team B gave for Beckham since Cousins and Amendola are not likely keepers or bring much if anything back in a trade.
I like Lewis and the pick here, but can see the case for Allen.With all the Keenan Allen talk going around, I thought this was interesting. I'm not involved:
Team 1 gave up:
Lewis, Dion NEP RB
Diggs, Stefon MIN WR
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Rednecks
Team 2 gave up:
Allen, Keenan SDC WR
I don't hate this one. I think Julio is probably worth more but I do think it is a good time to buy Evans and this deal is closer than current values suggest for me12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
It's kind of immaterial whether or not Moncrief develops into a weekly startable option, even if he makes it to high WR2 status. The point is the Julio trader could have done much better as lots of guys out there would have gladly paid way more.....even the equivalent of a 1st thrown in, or more.Sorry for disagreeing with everyone i just see it differently, julio is better then keenan but monecrief is easily a guy that can make a jump to a WR2 or better, without actually calculating i believe he averaged 15 pints a game in my ppr dynasty with luck playing and he can easily improve that as he gets more experience. Again im saying that i can easily see situations were getting 2 players can can help you is better then only having one and the julio owner in my league is one, he took over the team this year and julio is pretty much his only option at WR in a start 3 WR and 2 flex league... I have stocked up on WRs the past couple of years with AJ green, OBJ, Evans, Keenan and then also have fitzgerald and monecrief...his starting lineup for wrs this year was mainly Julio, Nate washington, Torrey smith and mike wallace for a little bit. he is a rebuilding team so getting a wr in keenan that will average lets say 2-3 points less then julio and monecrief that will outscore either of this other 2 wrs plus have the potential to increase his value greatly i think it is a decent trade...We obviously run teams differently which is fine, i figure monecrief can easily have a top 20 finish next year and you guys dont, if he does tho i would think that the guy that got keenan and monecrief is going to be pretty happy about this tradeWhile you're waiting for Moncrief to become startable he's on your bench.
Which means in your starting lineup you've swapped Julio for Keenan.
It's not just about getting equal value in sum but also about usability.
julio all day. it's a good time to sell high on evans as people still believe he's a stud in the making and overlook that he can't catch.I don't hate this one. I think Julio is probably worth more but I do think it is a good time to buy Evans and this deal is closer than current values suggest for me12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
That was my thinking as the former Evans owner. I have a massive glut of young bordering on elite guys (watkins, allen robinson, keenan allen, kelvin benjamin, le'veon bell) and Evans had the value to sell off and get an elite return. Was a nice surprise to find in my inbox one afternoon. Opens my window next year and it shouldn't close anytime soon.julio all day. it's a good time to sell high on evans as people still believe he's a stud in the making and overlook that he can't catch.I don't hate this one. I think Julio is probably worth more but I do think it is a good time to buy Evans and this deal is closer than current values suggest for me12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
I like either side really. I think I prefer Robinson to Cooper personally, but can see either side.Cooper + 1.10 + 3.09
For
Robinson + 2.02
Who are you targeting?Zealots IDP/PPR league.
I already have the 1.01.
Gave 1.05 & Kwon Alexander
Got 1.02
I don't think it's much of a surprise to say I'm looking to get both Elliott and Treadwell.Someone might go to an awesome situation to change that but that's what I expect at this point.Who are you targeting?Zealots IDP/PPR league.
I already have the 1.01.
Gave 1.05 & Kwon Alexander
Got 1.02
I think Lewis/Diggs and the pick. I would be pushing hard to try and flip Lewis and Diggs thoughWith all the Keenan Allen talk going around, I thought this was interesting. I'm not involved:
Team 1 gave up:
Lewis, Dion NEP RB
Diggs, Stefon MIN WR
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Rednecks
Team 2 gave up:
Allen, Keenan SDC WR
OBJ but I can see the return being pretty usefulThis went down this morning in FFPC league I'm in but I'm not involved in trade:
Team A gave:
Beckham
Cousins
Amendola
Team B gave:
David Johnson
Jarvis Landry
Carlos Hyde
2016 third, I think pick 9 or 10.
As it's FFPC this trade is basically the package Team B gave for Beckham since Cousins and Amendola are not likely keepers or bring much if anything back in a trade.
CooperCooper + 1.10 + 3.09
For
Robinson + 2.02
I like 1.05/Alexander but a solid effort to go get your 2 guysZealots IDP/PPR league.
I already have the 1.01.
Gave 1.05 & Kwon Alexander
Got 1.02
To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
...and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
This was my reasoning. I wanted to buy on production, not promise, and the drop of four slots from 1.10 to 2.02 was worth it to me....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
why do we still consider these small draft position adjustments as valuable? Especially pre-combine..That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
I gave an example why but now I just give up. You can all live in a your world where there is no difference in value between picks and I'll just live in mine.why do we still consider these small draft position adjustments as valuable? Especially pre-combine..That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
Because they will be. Pre-combine is irrelevant. Pick upgrades are about what they WILL be worth on draft day, and they always increase in value right up until OTC. It's a guaranteed ROI and one smart owners jump all over.why do we still consider these small draft position adjustments as valuable? Especially pre-combine..That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
RodgersLeague 1, Non-ppr, 1 QB, 4 pt passing TD, 6 pt rushing/receiving TD
Team A gives:
Carson Palmer
Jeremy Langford
2.07
Team B gives:
Aaron Rodgers
League 2, non-ppr
Team C gives:
Dez Bryant
Tevin Coleman
2.07
2.04
Team D (owns devonta freeman) gives:
Antonio Brown
I know there are drastic value differences (especially on draft day!) but I'm questioning whether or not the should be based on outcomesI gave an example why but now I just give up. You can all live in a your world where there is no difference in value between picks and I'll just live in mine.why do we still consider these small draft position adjustments as valuable? Especially pre-combine..That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
Sure but my point is the relative value in pick difference to the players being negligible.That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2....and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
RodgersRodgersLeague 1, Non-ppr, 1 QB, 4 pt passing TD, 6 pt rushing/receiving TD
Team A gives:
Carson Palmer
Jeremy Langford
2.07
Team B gives:
Aaron Rodgers
League 2, non-ppr
Team C gives:
Dez Bryant
Tevin Coleman
2.07
2.04
Team D (owns devonta freeman) gives:
Antonio Brown
Brown
RobinsonHere are a few deals that went down in some of my leagues the past week or so.
PPR Dynasty
Team A: Gave Ben Roethlisberger/Mike Evans/2016 pick 2.7
Team B: Gave Allen Robinson/2016 pick 3.2
Non PPR Classis Zealots Format
Team A: Gave Doug Martin
Team B Gave: Lamar Miller
PPR Dynasty Zealots
Team A Gave Percy Harvin
Team B Gave 2017 4th round pick
Evans side, i feel like evans and Robinson are almost a push, the addition of a better pick and Ben make me lean this wayHere are a few deals that went down in some of my leagues the past week or so.
PPR Dynasty
Team A: Gave Ben Roethlisberger/Mike Evans/2016 pick 2.7
Team B: Gave Allen Robinson/2016 pick 3.2
Non PPR Classis Zealots Format
Team A: Gave Doug Martin
Team B Gave: Lamar Miller
PPR Dynasty Zealots
Team A Gave Percy Harvin
Team B Gave 2017 4th round pick
I used to think that Evans and Robinson were similar, but after this past year it looks like Arob is definitely better for fantasy. Even on a team with lots of talent at WR he's still getting targets and points. While Evans struggles to get points if Vjax or ASJ is on the field.Evans side, i feel like evans and Robinson are almost a push, the addition of a better pick and Ben make me lean this wayHere are a few deals that went down in some of my leagues the past week or so.
PPR Dynasty
Team A: Gave Ben Roethlisberger/Mike Evans/2016 pick 2.7
Team B: Gave Allen Robinson/2016 pick 3.2
Non PPR Classis Zealots Format
Team A: Gave Doug Martin
Team B Gave: Lamar Miller
PPR Dynasty Zealots
Team A Gave Percy Harvin
Team B Gave 2017 4th round pick
Push, IMO, comes down to preference. I dont have one at this point. Maybe after FA stuff shakes out there will be a winner here
Pick side. Percy sucks.
ARobHere are a few deals that went down in some of my leagues the past week or so.
PPR Dynasty
Team A: Gave Ben Roethlisberger/Mike Evans/2016 pick 2.7
Team B: Gave Allen Robinson/2016 pick 3.2
Non PPR Classis Zealots Format
Team A: Gave Doug Martin
Team B Gave: Lamar Miller
PPR Dynasty Zealots
Team A Gave Percy Harvin
Team B Gave 2017 4th round pick
Team B gives a premium future pick in a deep draft for Fitz/Hardy and change? I'll be team A please.PPR dynasty 12 team
Team A gave- Larry Fitzgerald, Justin Hardy, 2016 first (1.11), 2016 third (3.07) and 2017 Second (most likely late)
Team B gave- 2016 second (2.01) and 2017 first (most likely top 6)
I'll take team B. Hardy has some nice upside in that offense. Hardy + 1.11 for an early 1st is pretty even imo. A Second for Fitz is good value. The extra 2nd and 3rd gives the edge to Team B. I'm higher on Hardy than most though.PPR dynasty 12 team
Team A gave- Larry Fitzgerald, Justin Hardy, 2016 first (1.11), 2016 third (3.07) and 2017 Second (most likely late)
Team B gave- 2016 second (2.01) and 2017 first (most likely top 6)
What the what?PPR dynasty
Demaryius Thomas and 2016 1.08
2018 1st round pick from the team that earned the 2016 1.01