bostonfred
Footballguy
In which format, ppr 1/1/3/1/2 flex? Or non ppr 1/2/2/1 1 flex, too?
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I think you're too hung up on league format. The issue to me isn't so much a dropoff in production due to different starting lineup variations, but rather a significant difference in expected longevity. I look at a 3-year window, but some guys will force me to change that to a 5-year one. That happens at WR not RB.
The largest difference in value between any 5 positions is 1 to 6 versus any other 5.
The tier one is OBJ then brown and julio. Gurley is not in that group
ghostguy123
Footballguy
PPR leagues that must start 2 RB.
In non PPR I may very well take the Gurley/Nelson side. Really not sure.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
2221 yards and 18 touchdowns in two years is really special. In the next five years what would you realistically project?
What about 2628 yards and 19 touchdowns in his first two years, what do you project for him?
What about 2628 yards and 19 touchdowns in his first two years, what do you project for him?
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bostonfred
Footballguy
That's a really interesting deal because I can totally see either one of them being a beast going forward, but I can also imagine a world where neither one of them is ever a fantasy starter again. Gun to my head I probably take Gordon because I'm slightly more afraid of Langford getting porked during the NFL draft than I am of Gordon getting busted in the next 3 months but I'd probably be trying to package either one for a stud I felt more confident in.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Langford
This is an interesting trade because as a Gordon owner I probably wouldn't trade him for Langford even though I think that's a good deal. I've just held him for so long, and at 1 point he was the #1 overall WR with 0 good QBs. Potentially Gordon will be the better fantasy player long term, but Langford has a much higher floor (imo).
Denver724
Footballguy
I will take Gordon all day. Of course, he could get popped again and be done forever, but I think he is the superior talent and I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears take a RB in the draft (maybe Zeke in the 1st).
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Here are some deals that went down since the end of the fantasy playoffs
PPR all touchdowns 6 points, 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 2 flex k def
Team A gives Rawls, Amaro, Mike Evans
Team B gives Dez, McCoy
Team C gives Ebron
Team D gives Ayayi
Team E gives Duke Johnson, Nelson Agholor
Team F gives Benjamin, Ryan Matthews
Team G gives up Cooper
Team H gives up Cooks, Simms
Team I gives Davante Adams and 3.09
Team J gives 2.03 and 3.02
Team K gives Ivory
Team L gives 2.04 and 3.02
Team M gives Bortles, Stewart, Artis-Payne, 3.09
Team N gives Watkins, Walford and 4.05
Team O gives 1.04, Hillman, Gavin Escobar
Team P gives Graham and Abdullah
PPR all touchdowns 6 points, 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 2 flex k def
Team A gives Rawls, Amaro, Mike Evans
Team B gives Dez, McCoy
Team C gives Ebron
Team D gives Ayayi
Team E gives Duke Johnson, Nelson Agholor
Team F gives Benjamin, Ryan Matthews
Team G gives up Cooper
Team H gives up Cooks, Simms
Team I gives Davante Adams and 3.09
Team J gives 2.03 and 3.02
Team K gives Ivory
Team L gives 2.04 and 3.02
Team M gives Bortles, Stewart, Artis-Payne, 3.09
Team N gives Watkins, Walford and 4.05
Team O gives 1.04, Hillman, Gavin Escobar
Team P gives Graham and Abdullah
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd take Gordon also, but I'd be very surprised if the Bears use an early pick at RB. That's not to say that a 4th round RB (for example) couldn't beat out Langford, but with a serviceable, at worst, back already on the team and a roster with a lot of holes taking a RB early would be a poor move.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'll take Evans and Rawls with the McCoy news and I'm still an Evans believer.
Ebron vs Ajayi may depend on team need. Pretty even for me.
Give me Benjamin and Matthews easily.
Cooper for Cooks and Simms is close but I'll take Cooper.
Give me the 2.03 pick over Adams.
I'll take Ivory over the picks if I need a RB now but pretty even for me.
I'll take Watkins over Bortles.
I'll take 1.04 and Hillman over Escobar.
Hopkins for me. Pile of picks makes pretty bait, but not buying.I will happy take another 1st to move down theee spots. Can't see any huge tier breaks between 3-6 anyway, with the WRs not well differentiated.
I would like to know how the 2013 pick works though...can I pick anyone not rostered from that draft?
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'll take Hopkins side on first deal. I like Landry but I turned down an offer yesterday for Hopkins in same format that to me was better than the haul he brought back in this trade and I was not very close to accepting that deal.
Second deal is a huge win for team moving back 3 spots for a 2017#1.
Never played in a dual QB league but I imagine if I did I'd still think this was to light for Watkins and if it's a one start QB leagues it's just horrible.
Even if the Bears did not draft a single RB or sign a FA RB for more than the league minimum I'd take Gordon.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
It doesn't appear this is a 2QB or superflex league. If so that makes a lot more sense, but as is this is a horrible underpay for Watkins.
Baldwin had a great second half of the season, but I still think I would prefer the 1.12.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I just made this trade. I'm team A
This is a TE premium league and you can start as many as 3 TEs
Team A will give:
Stafford, Matthew DET QB
Adams, Davante GBP WR
Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
Thomas, Julius JAC TE
To Team B for:
Barnidge, Gary CLE TE
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team C
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team D
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team E
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
This is a TE premium league and you can start as many as 3 TEs
Team A will give:
Stafford, Matthew DET QB
Adams, Davante GBP WR
Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
Thomas, Julius JAC TE
To Team B for:
Barnidge, Gary CLE TE
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team C
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team D
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team E
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Assuming you have a QB you're starting ahead of Stafford, it looks like you got four firsts and a third for Eifert and junk.
Unless the picks are all 9-12 I'd choose the picks.
Unless the picks are all 9-12 I'd choose the picks.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Its a 16 team league and one of the pucks is 1.04. Rest are middle to end of first round. I obviously like the trade but I don't think Julius is junk and it would be silly to totally throw the towel in on Adams.
buck naked
Footballguy
A couple trades went down in my FFPC league last night:
1) M. Bryant
2017 2nd round pick
for
J. Stewart
1.11
2017 1st round pick (likely bottom of 1st round)
2) J. Edelman
for
2017 1st round pick (placement could be anywhere in the round)
2017 3rd round pick
1) M. Bryant
2017 2nd round pick
for
J. Stewart
1.11
2017 1st round pick (likely bottom of 1st round)
2) J. Edelman
for
2017 1st round pick (placement could be anywhere in the round)
2017 3rd round pick
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm honestly not sure how "silly" that would be. Adams may have blown the best chance he's ever going to get with his terrible play last season when the team needed him. Nelson and Montgomery will be back this season and Janis' strong playoff game could push him past Adams on the depth chart as well.
Julius is worth the 3rd, even in a TE premium league. Adams is worth a 3rd to the right person, but he's damaged goods. Also, I hope you're not counting on Barnidge (Cameron 2.0)
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hunter1
Footballguy
Agreed. Hard as it is to win a league, I will usually take the higher ceiling over the higher floor.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
DLF rookie pick chart says this is too light for the #1 by about the value of the 10th overall pick. And in a year that most are saying doesn't currently do well beyond the first two picks, it makes it even worse.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I have the #1 in a Zealots league. Would not take that offer.
Maybe true.
I personally don't think as much of Elliott or Treadwell as others apparently do and would prefer to split my risk out this year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Give me Ingram and 1.1.
Watkins is awesome but he pays receiver for the wrong team.
Watkins is awesome but he pays receiver for the wrong team.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
When two rb1s for a wr2 is easy to reject the format is a problem
You don't actually play in any dynasty leagues, do you? Watkins is not a dynasty WR2.
The format is the format. Thanks for the update on your views on ppr.
Isn't there a league format thread somewhere on the internet to rant on?
Besides Elliott (assuming the nonPPR guy takes him) isn't even in the NFL so hardly an RB1...this time last year Gordon was an RB1 too and how'd that turn out? Ingram (a former 1.01 +/-) took 4 years to be an RB1...
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Julio
Beckham
Brown
Hopkins
Robinson
Dez
Aj
Cooper
That's eight receivers I doubt anyone argues should be ahead of Watkins.
After that you get into Evans, cooks, Benjamin who have youth and talent and guys like Marshall, Edelman and Jordy who have a few years of high end production compared to a longer career that may or may not take off. Watkins is at best a low end wr1 and imo he's a wr2.
But in that format, ppr start 1 rb 1 we 3 flex, I agree that he's probably worth as much as two quality backs.
Beckham
Brown
Hopkins
Robinson
Dez
Aj
Cooper
That's eight receivers I doubt anyone argues should be ahead of Watkins.
After that you get into Evans, cooks, Benjamin who have youth and talent and guys like Marshall, Edelman and Jordy who have a few years of high end production compared to a longer career that may or may not take off. Watkins is at best a low end wr1 and imo he's a wr2.
But in that format, ppr start 1 rb 1 we 3 flex, I agree that he's probably worth as much as two quality backs.
