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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (29 Viewers)
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Soulfly3
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Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
he looks like a faster version on Kendall Wright to me. Both Baylor wr's that looked excellent in college and will be average in the pros. I just don't like those 5'10ish wrs from that offense. Just my opinion but no way in hell I'd take him over Treadwell
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Once NFL teams start utilizing Coleman between the numbers (and they likely will, asap), he is going to be a PPR and YAC machine.
The comparisons to Antonio Brown are pretty easy to make, imo. I dont like player comparisons, because they're usually not all that apt... but AB is a solid one for this kid.
The comparisons to Antonio Brown are pretty easy to make, imo. I dont like player comparisons, because they're usually not all that apt... but AB is a solid one for this kid.
Hawkeye Hellraiser
Footballguy
Another FFPC deal - not involved.
Matthews for Bryant/Coates
Stunned at that one - think this is Matthews in a landslide with the precious roster spot that Bryant eats up.
Matthews for Bryant/Coates
Stunned at that one - think this is Matthews in a landslide with the precious roster spot that Bryant eats up.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
in the ffpc I agree have to carry him all year and then keep him on cutdown to 14 before you know if he is reinstated. no thank you
If I had Matthews I'd try and trade him for something else but if I had to pick I side here I'd actually rather have Bryant/Coates but it might go without saying this is coming from perspective of someone who is very down on Matthews.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
I'm down on Matthews as well but I'm jaded on these situations, I know they are not all the same but I had Justin Blackmon, Josh Gordon etc. and have learned my lesson. No way am I gonna be an owner of Gordon or Bryant in any leagues. Just the fact that their value can go to zero (or close to it) overnight scares the hell out of me. I don't want to invest in their ability to be smart enough not to get busted
I hear you, I've had Gordon burning a hole on a few of my teams, some FFPC, for the past few years and Bryant actually seems more unstable.
Don't want to sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth but if I had Matthews only way I'd consider accepting this deal was if I felt like I exhausted all my efforts. On paper his value is more, he's a 4th/5th rounder in redrafts now and while I know you got a good deal on him in our league I think he should typically draw a solid first round pick back. But if I got to the point that lets say for example all I could get for Matthews was some seconds or a late first, at that point I'd rather take Bryant/Coates. I'd also like to add I kind of like Coates potential and view him as worth at least an early third right now in FFPC leagues, maybe as high as a late second when the draft sorts things out-especially if I'm holding Bryant.
Hawkeye Hellraiser
Footballguy
Bingo - I am not a big Matthews guy either, but at least you know you are getting a WR3 at worst. You get Bryant back and is his upside is a high WR2 - better production, but not difference maker production. Production difference isn't worth wasting a roster spot IMO.
If you are trading him for someone like a WR4/5 and/or a mid-late second, then my opinion likely starts to change. It's just not likely.
And yes, I got burnt on Blackmon (as you well know) - and tend to be more risk averse with these guys as well. The burning of a roster spot is my biggest barrier to taking a gamble on him, but I wouldn't say it would be impossible.
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BroncosFan07
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16 team contract league 0.5 PPR
Team A receives: Matt Jones (3 year contract)
Team B receives: 1.11 (5 year contract)
2nd Trade:
Team A receives - T.Y. Hilton (2 year contract)
Team B receives: Melvin Gordon (4 year contract)
Team A receives: Matt Jones (3 year contract)
Team B receives: 1.11 (5 year contract)
2nd Trade:
Team A receives - T.Y. Hilton (2 year contract)
Team B receives: Melvin Gordon (4 year contract)
If you feel that way I can see why this deal would shock you. Personally I think he's a top 10 WR talent, he makes the game look easy sometimes, and I won't put a cap on his upside. Coates either, but granted he's done nothing and is just a flier and both he and Bryant have a floor of zero right now but I believe if Bryant gets his stuff together he is in fact a difference maker.
JohnnyU
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I swear right after I left that message I saw an e-mail where Bryant just got traded in a league.
It's a private league with FFPC rules but no K and not required to keep a D when you do off-season cuts so technically the roster requirement is not as stiff as you can hold up to 16 position players. That's key to note when talking about wasting a roster spot on someone for the year.
Anyway he just went for 2.2.
And yes I'd have paid that.
It's a private league with FFPC rules but no K and not required to keep a D when you do off-season cuts so technically the roster requirement is not as stiff as you can hold up to 16 position players. That's key to note when talking about wasting a roster spot on someone for the year.
Anyway he just went for 2.2.
And yes I'd have paid that.
Hawkeye Hellraiser
Footballguy
I think part of my negative feelings have to do with how dependent Bryant is on the big plays. His rookie year, his YPC led the NFL by a wide margin. I thought for sure that number would regress last year - and was shocked when it didn't.
In PPR, it makes him dependent on big plays to score instead of being fed the ball often. Higher risk to me than most of the guys I would talk about in the WR1 range for me.
Not to turn this into a Bryant thread but I used to feel that way about his usage but don't any longer. I felt he was evolving as a player and the staff was evolving in figuring out ways to use him and to get the ball in his hands. He's an older second year player but I think he's far from polished and I anticipated him continuing to ascend. He suffered a minor injury in week 17 and left the game early and that matched his low target total of 3 which he also had in week 16. He played 9 other weeks with Ben as his QB, counting playoffs, had a low of 6 targets and in 4 of those 11 games got double digit targets. He also got targeted fairly heavily when Ben was not the QB but I don't factor those games in so much.
In the end, counting playoffs, he got 8 targets a game with or without Ben as his QB which is 128 on a year and like I said I think he and the team are still evolving together but personally I could live with his usage as is and consider him an every week starter. So long as Brown is viable he's never going to be among the league target leaders but that's a heck of a pace for Brown to keep up with and we've seen players like Dez Bryant produce top 5 fantasy seasons getting about half a target more per game than Bryant averaged last season. Also guys like Randy Moss, and no I'm not saying he's Randy Moss or Dez but I actually think on pure talent he's not that far behind if he can get past his issues.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
buck naked
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One More Rep
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
eNdblu
Footballguy
I'd take Hopkins all day every day. Everything from the 2nd on don't hold a lot of weight in this trade for me
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Terrible. Guy trading Hopkins must be one of those guys that thinks he's an NFL manager, not a fantasy one. "Your whole draft, wow!!"
Spike
Footballguy
BroncosFan07
Footballguy
Any feedback on these trades? I need validation on my trades so I can have a discussion with my GM (myself) on whether or not he's evaluating players properly.
matttyl
Footballguy
I don't play that format, but if I did - I'd go with the pick in the first one, and Gordon with the second one (longer terms I guess mean quite a bit?)
Poncho
Footballguy
This went down in one league. My team wasn't involved.
- Game...Blouses... gave up Langford, Jeremy CHI RB;Brown, John ARI WR;Green, Ladarius PIT TE; Year 2016 Draft Pick 1.03
- Sweet Mullets gave up Jones, Julio ATL WR; Year 2016 Draft Pick 2.02
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not saying much for the leagues cause that is one of the worst trades i have seen in a while.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Gordon pretty easily here. Well worth it to see if he improves on last year and becomes a decent player.
One More Rep
Footballguy
JulioPoncho said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Four quarters for a dollar bill. Give me the dollar bill.Poncho said:
Snorkelson
Footballguy
When the bears add a back and Palmer retires a year or 2 from now the Julio side could look like the big winner. I doubt the bears go into next year with just jlang/Carey/quizz, probably add a mid round pick at least. I like Langford, he's a smart, gritty, hard worker, but at this stage I'd be hesitant to make him a key part of a trade for Julio. Jb and green are nice throw ins, but jlang/1.03 is the cornerstone of this trade. I mean, Langford value could take a hit if say hillman signed there, right? Not that fox has shown interest, but that seems volatile. If they picked a back in the 2nd or 3rd his value takes a shot. He gets through the draft his value is still what was paid, premium for Langford.
Langford is a gamble, but as good a gamble as you are likely to find available at this stage. I think Brown is actually as good a piece for a rebuilder to add, and Green has high situation upside, even if there's a good chance he still doesn't live up to it.
For a rebuild, those are solid upside assets and are also likely all flippable, giving the rebuilding owner added versatility. Only other way to turn Julio into value would be a multiple draft pick scenario, which would take longer to pay out.
End result, while I still would rather be the one aquiring Julio, I think his former owner got a good return.
For a rebuild, those are solid upside assets and are also likely all flippable, giving the rebuilding owner added versatility. Only other way to turn Julio into value would be a multiple draft pick scenario, which would take longer to pay out.
End result, while I still would rather be the one aquiring Julio, I think his former owner got a good return.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC
sold Ryan Matthews
for
2.4,6.11
sold Ryan Matthews
for
2.4,6.11
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
12 team ppr, start qrrwwwtfkd
Team A gave up:Osweiler, Brock HOU QBMartin, Doug TBB RBYear 2016 Draft Pick 2.08Team B gave up:Charles, Jamaal KCC RBYear 2016 Draft Pick 2.05
Team A gave up:Osweiler, Brock HOU QBMartin, Doug TBB RBYear 2016 Draft Pick 2.08Team B gave up:Charles, Jamaal KCC RBYear 2016 Draft Pick 2.05
jeaton6
Footballguy
I view this as Jlang,1.3, JB for Julio (I'm placing 2.2 value on Green though honestly I might be underestimating his value given his new opp). So breaking it down for a rebuilder they can hold all the pieces or flip some of them. If they want to play it safe they can easily parlay Jlang into a mid 1st this year or a future first and maybe a little more next year. JB's value also mid 1st, then the 1.3 could be held or parlayed into multiple 1sts. So a risk averse rebuilder could easily turn these assets into 4 1st rounders.
If Bears don't draft someone Jlangs value doesn't hold it spikes. In recent startup I did those pieces were 3rd (Lang went 3rd round which admittedly was 2 rounds early IMHO), 4th,9th rounders (pre-Green move to Pitt so his ADP probably would move to 6th/7th rd now) and this excludes 1.3 rookie which likely holds 4th round startup value.
Julios value is at its peak. 136/1871/8 on 203 targets. They had no number 2. It was all Julio all the time and that defense sucked. Perfect storm. He's awesome and if that production was guaranteed I'd say Julio hands down but he's bound to regress to something more like 105/1500/8. Still amazing but probably 4 ppg lower then 2015 in PPR and 2 years from now he'll be 29 and everyone will be talking about him declining, blablabla.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Seems pretty even but think I still like Charles here especially if I'm in a championship window. I just don't trust Martin. He's too high variance for my liking.
Charles side for me. Os doesn't seem like much value in a 1Q league. Martin's new owner gets younger, but I am not convinced Martin will be a consistent producer. He has to show me one good fantasy season that isn't in a contract year for him.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I'd rather have the 2.2 than Langford. CJ Anderson said they offered him more money than any other team. Beat writer said the reason they did not offer Forte a deal was because Fox wants to run a RBBC. I t think he's an average talent and I'll take 2.2 over an average talent I think will be the backup or part of a RBBC by the time the draft is over.
So I'm left with Julio vs Brown, Green and the 1.3.
I'm not sure that Brown is a good rebuilding piece. He's a good piece to have on your team but he's already 26 and with an older QB. He could still grow into a WR2, which is his upside, but I tend to view him as more like a really good WR3. Again that's not a building block to me, that's a nice piece and I think he's the best player this team got back in the deal, with the 1.3 the most valuable part.
In general Green and Brown are only around a year younger than Julio so in terms of trying to go younger and rebuild I think the Julio owner mainly failed. He'll have a shot with the 1.3 but in general, like Ghost Guy said, he turned a dollar bill into 4 quarters which in and of itself is not always bad except rosters usually limit how much change you can keep around and then you find yourself throwing away dimes to keep one of these quarters which is usually bad business.
I don't agree that the only way to move Julio was a multi pick draft scenario but more like a strong 2 for 1 type deal.
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Poncho
Footballguy
I guess I like the deal since I don't view the 2.2 over Langford. In a startup dynasty draft ive seen Langford go anywhere from mid 3rd to late 4th so he has a lot more value then the 2.2
Not all leagues are created equal that's for sure. Langford is only going for a 5th in redraft leagues right now and despite his youth he arguably has more value in a redraft.
Just because people are short sighted enough to pay 3rd/4th round startup prices for him does not make it right or change his value to ME.
Poncho
Footballguy
ive done 4 dynasty start up drafts since the season has ended and hasn't seen him make it to round 5 yet. Doesn't matter if you agree or not.
What does not matter if I agree or not? I did not call you a liar, if you say he's going that high I believe you, but I also know for a fact in the redraft leagues I'm in he's a 5th rounder and if I'm in a dynasty league with someone who spends a third or fourth round pick on him I just identified dead money. I don't place my value of a player on the value the low hanging fruit places on him.
Poncho
Footballguy
Well I am not a DT fan and don't acknowledge his value either since I disagree with it......
