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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (65 Viewers)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team FFPC style - league has a year 2020 jackpot after which time the league will disband.
Team A gives : Tyler Boyd
Team B gives : 1.08
Team C gives : Kareem Hunt, 2.12
Team D gives : Damien Williams, Funchess
Team E gives : Nuk, Isaiah McKenzie
Team F gives : Marlon Mack, Cooper Kupp, Anthony Miller
Team A gives : Tyler Boyd
Team B gives : 1.08
Team C gives : Kareem Hunt, 2.12
Team D gives : Damien Williams, Funchess
Team E gives : Nuk, Isaiah McKenzie
Team F gives : Marlon Mack, Cooper Kupp, Anthony Miller
I do these kind of trades almost every year, did several like this last year. And when those late firsts are your own pick, which usually means your team did well, it's really dawned on me that it's sometimes a lot easier actually improving good teams that don't have immediate glaring needs so you can put off immediate dividend paying assets for higher valued long term assets simply for having patience. In many ways not unlike real world financial management.
But it's not a hard and fast rule to follow and a lot of variables are at play. I'd give out a bunch of past examples on this but would risk turning this into dynasty strategy thread so will try to be short. Strength of the current class you are drafting, anticipated strength of next years draft, how your draft unfolded if doing these trades in-draft, team makeup with respect to any needs or roster space issues that might be helped by putting off addition of essentially extra roster spot are key driving forces.
This year I've already shotgunned out picks 11 and 12 to over half of the teams in those leagues. Started with the teams whose picks looked potentially attractive and since these are FFPC leagues that could be bordeline playoff teams. When those teams rejected me I turned to fringe playoff teams, basically to everyone but few lock playoff looking teams. Have yet to get a yes, sometimes this is easier to do in-draft then now but again like most things not always the case. I had pick 12 in two FFPC leagues last year and one league I got an offer the second I got on the clock that netted me a future first and the other league I held the draft up for like 2-3 hours(which I hate) searching in vain for someone to give up a 2019 first and no one would.
Sorry, meant to keep reply shorter.
2.9 seems low and I'm surprised he could not draw more of a return back but right now I'd not give a first for him right now in any of my FFPC leagues. I always view FFPC this time of year in terms of I'm not only giving up the pick but also essentially my 14th man and right now I don't have a league I'd give up 1.12 and my 14th man. For me to pay for Pettis right now it would need to be something closer to 2.9 then 1.9.
I'm also not nearly as high on Pettis as others seem to be but I can agree in a vacuum he's worth more then 2.9.
Dez
Footballguy
Turns out Shady for Golladay was a great trade after all. I wonder how many of you actually go back and look at what was said about a trade and find out that a lot of them that everyone thought was so bad ends up actually being in favor of the other guy in less than 1 year.
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I still stand by that post. I never said I wouldn’t have made the deal, just that it was a poor return on Shady’s perceived value. McCoy was terribly misvalued/ranked at that time (too high), so much so that he should’ve yielded a better return than Galloday.
And all those FBG staffers that had him ranked higher than all non-Barkley rookies should’ve had their credentials removed. That was clearly obvious back in May because nobody in their right mind was moving 1.02 for McCoy. Or 1.03, or 1.04, or...
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
10-team PPR. Not involved.
Matt Breida, 1.06
for
AJ Green
Matt Breida, 1.06
for
AJ Green
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Really? Not in that league, but remember, its a 10 team league as opposed to a 12 or 14 team league. So I think that reduces Hill's value a little bit.
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I only play in 12 team leagues so this is just a theory for me and nothing based on experience but I would think just the opposite. I would just think in a 10 team league the better teams are better then in a typical 12-14 man league so it makes studs even more important. And the smaller league makes depth less important as it's usually easier to find which makes 3 for 1 type trades even less desirable when you are giving up far and away the best piece.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd say the opposite. Having studs as opposed to depth (which is easier to come by) in a 10 team league is way more important than in a 12 or 14 team league.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
FFPC
Sent: 2.04, 2020 3rd
Got: Chris Herndon
It's TE premium and only other TEs on my roster are Goedert and Ben Watson. I thought about waiting until he got suspended but this seemed like a good price. Still have the 1.08 and 1.10 and whole slew of mid round dart throws.
Sent: 2.04, 2020 3rd
Got: Chris Herndon
It's TE premium and only other TEs on my roster are Goedert and Ben Watson. I thought about waiting until he got suspended but this seemed like a good price. Still have the 1.08 and 1.10 and whole slew of mid round dart throws.
Denver724
Footballguy
Agreed. 10 team leagues are all about studs. Lot's more in the player pool available.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I would happily accept Landry and Nuk for those offers. Landry is tied to a rising Baker and Nuk is a top 5 dynasty asset IMO. DJ is perhaps dynasty’s greatest question mark right now.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
just made a pair of trades in my league:
Received: Goff, 2.9, 2020 2nd
Gave: 1.5, Mariota
Mariota was my QB1. we have zero points for turnovers, 6 points passing td. QBs are pretty valuable, especially a top 6 or 8 one.
Received: 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, 2020 3rd (finished 2nd in 2018, expected playoff team)
Gave: Lockett, MVS, McGuire, Warren III, 2.9, 3.8
Frees up roster room for 2019 draft for me and pushes some picks to 2020
Received: Goff, 2.9, 2020 2nd
Gave: 1.5, Mariota
Mariota was my QB1. we have zero points for turnovers, 6 points passing td. QBs are pretty valuable, especially a top 6 or 8 one.
Received: 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, 2020 3rd (finished 2nd in 2018, expected playoff team)
Gave: Lockett, MVS, McGuire, Warren III, 2.9, 3.8
Frees up roster room for 2019 draft for me and pushes some picks to 2020
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Love the first one, Mariotas never gonna be anything special. 2nd one seems fine, don't really think there anything to regret getting rid of with either Lockett or MVS, and extra 1sts are always great.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
thanks.
My thoughts on the 2nd one were I already own 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.8, 2.2. so I had a lot of room to make. Little regret if they pan out because I think I got good compensation, and I made room for 4 rookies.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
yeah orphan team. did a lot of selling and flipping. finished 5th though, largely thanks to barkely. I am not in a complete rebuild. Just need a stud wr. if any of godwin, sutton, Miller, Gallup, Washington pan out I'll be in good shape. Corey Davis is a flop. I might sell him nextJesus. Rebuild?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
16 team ppr.
Godwin and the 1.08 traded for Chubb.
Godwin and the 1.08 traded for Chubb.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I could not hit accept fast enough to cash out on Landry for that price.
The Nuk trade seems equitable to me.
Value aside (where I would prefer the Kittle side in TE premium by somewhat decent margin), I am always nervous to make trades for players in the NFL playoffs when I get nothing out of them, and a 2019 effective season ending injury could occur. Especially RB/WRs.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
Team A gave up
Peterson, Adrian WAS RB;
Green, A.J. CIN WR;
McKenzie, Isaiah BUF WR
Team B gave up
Anderson, Robby NYJ WR;
Callaway, Antonio CLE WR
Williams, Darrel KCC RB;
Team A gave up
Peterson, Adrian WAS RB;
Green, A.J. CIN WR;
McKenzie, Isaiah BUF WR
Team B gave up
Anderson, Robby NYJ WR;
Callaway, Antonio CLE WR
Williams, Darrel KCC RB;
tombonneau
Footballguy
Man, this is the second deal I've seen on here where AJ has gone for nothing. Are people really that down on him? At those package prices, just deal him for a first plus. I don't get it.
tkrull
Footballguy
This is a very good point I don't think enough people take into account. I posted a trade earlier where I acquired Edelman and that was a factor in my mind, I had thought of waiting until NE was done but if the value is right I don't want to miss it.
I liked the Kittle side in this trade even though I like Ridley's odds to be a future WR1.
Birdie048
Footballguy
12 Team PPR 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2Flex (RB,WR,TE) Bonus for TE's and running QB's
Gave: Amari Cooper & Lamar Jackson
Got: Brandon Cooks & Nick Chubb
It was difficult to part with L Jackson; he upgraded to Chubb from A Jones to get me. But admittedly, he is a Dallas fan and hates Clev; but he needs reliable QB after losing Alex Smith (he still has Wentz / I have Brees & Mayfield still). I lost semi's playoff (9-4 season). He finished outside playoffs 5-8 after 4-0 start.
Gave: Amari Cooper & Lamar Jackson
Got: Brandon Cooks & Nick Chubb
It was difficult to part with L Jackson; he upgraded to Chubb from A Jones to get me. But admittedly, he is a Dallas fan and hates Clev; but he needs reliable QB after losing Alex Smith (he still has Wentz / I have Brees & Mayfield still). I lost semi's playoff (9-4 season). He finished outside playoffs 5-8 after 4-0 start.
garlicduck
Footballguy
Cooks/Chubb side by a large margin.
Cooks and Cooper are pretty much a wash to me. People love Cooper's vast potential and the fact that he has 2 OMG games after joining Dallas but Cooks has outperformed him with 3 different teams/QBs. Even if you like Cooper a lot more than Cooks, it's not worth the huge downgrade from Chubb to Jackson.
In a start 1-QB format, I don't see Jackson being all that valuable - obviously his rushing helps but he's no more than a QB2 and easily replaceable. Meanwhile Chubb just turned 23 and if a no doubt top-10 RB who is just returning to full health and just scratching the surface.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
.5 PPR
Kamara just got traded for Juju straight up.
Former Kamara owner has a major rebuild coming so guessing he wanted youth at WR.
Has Juju actually ascended to this now?
Kamara just got traded for Juju straight up.
Former Kamara owner has a major rebuild coming so guessing he wanted youth at WR.
Has Juju actually ascended to this now?
It's not bad compensation, I just prefer Kittle.
You know how a lot of times on here when you say good things about a player people accuse you of having ulterior motives or that you can't see straight because you must be heavily invested in the player? Maybe the reverse is at play for me here because I foolishly gave Kittle away in this format before start of last season and no longer own him. I do however own Michel and Ridley on 2 FFPC teams. On both of those teams I rarely ever started either, I think twice each max, and for each of those two players I probably had a combined 3-4 weeks total where I felt good putting one of them in the lineup. Meanwhile be hard pressed to find a team I'd not consider Kittle an every week must start and like I said a game changer who is also young. To me this taking two fringe starter/bench guys and turning them into one super stud. I think Ridley has a chance to become a fantasy WR1 and maybe one day have value on par with Kittle but I'm not high enough on Michel to hope or wait for Ridley to get to that level.
As strange as it sounds I would imagine the side that most people would prefer is based on how they feel about the player that to me is clearly the least valuable player in the trade, Michel.
JuJu has been going late in the 1st round of some recent start-ups I've seen so not far off, but probably could've gotten a pick or another young prospect to even it out. Hard to argue with a 22 year old WR with 2400 yds and 14 TDs in his first two years though.
14 team PPR Superflex
A: Davante Adams, 2.04
B: Sony Michel, 1.05, 1.08
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Team A gets David Johnson, pick 2.12, 3.12, 4.12, 5.3
Team B gets Gus Edwards, 1.2, 1.8, 2.1
Team A gets David Johnson, pick 2.12, 3.12, 4.12, 5.3
Team B gets Gus Edwards, 1.2, 1.8, 2.1
I wouldn't call Callaway and Anderson nothing. Green will be 31 while Callaway and Anderson will be 22 and 26. I'd say each of those guys is worth a mid-2nd which equates to a late first which is about Green's value at this age. If he pulls a Fitzgerald and puts up fringe WR1 numbers for the next 5 years and those young guys fizzle, it'll look like a bad trade. If AJ continues to get injured every other year while just one of those guys lives up to their potential, it'll look like a good trade.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I guess I'm more bearish on Anderson & Callaway. Both those guys IMO are solid WR2 upside. AJ as you said has upside of 3 more years of WR1, plus name value if he puts in a great 2019.
garlicduck
Footballguy
Interesting trade but I'll take the picks and Edwards.
While I do expect DJ to be better next year and he's only 27, I don't think he'll ever be the player we saw a few years ago again (Bruce Arians and Carson Palmer are not walking through that door!). Kingsbury should help improve the offense and Rosen and hopefully get their best player (DJ) the damn ball, but their O-Line is terrible, Rosen doesn't scare anyone right now and they don't have many weapons at WR and Christian Kirk is coming off a broken foot and Fitz may retire. Defenses will once again crowd the line and try to take DJ away. Plus, I think DJ looked like he lost a 1/2 step to me...
Baltimore will surely bring in competition to Edwards and they'll have Ty Mont for training camp but I don't think Edwards is "going away." He rushed for over 5 yards/carry last year and ran hard. He doesn't give you much receiving but he should be a useful bench player at worst. The key to the trade are the picks: #2, #8 and #13 are a pretty good haul and even in a down year in the draft should net 3 very good players with hopefully at least 1 turning into a stud. Plus, I really don't think this is going to be that bad a draft class. There aren't many QBs but who cares? There are 10-12 WRs who could be really good and while the RBs are not as good as last year there are 6-8 that could hit. Add in Fant at TE and you've got at least 15-20 nice players and I'll take my chances.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was the one trading for those guys in that deal, and admittedly I fully expected that most would be on the AJG side (and you/they would not be wrong). I just won this league with a fairly young overall core (Goff/Cousins, Kamara, Gurley, Damien Williams, Diggs, Ebron...) but other than Diggs my starting WRs were all on the wrong side of 30 (AJG, Edelman, Sanders, Baldwin) so I wanted to retool a bit (not rebuild but try to add some young pieces to mix in while moving some age).
I watched Callaway as a prospect and in a few games and I think he's a few tweaks to his game away from being a star. While I doubt he reaches it his upside is Tyreke Hill and he's paired with a great young QB to grow with - I am not a Landry fan and think he'll end up being the complimentary piece to Callaway.
Anderson had a great 2017 and finished 2018 strong. I have less hope for him as to being a star (and as a Jets' fan I want them to get a true no. 1 WR) but he's a great deep threat and started trending to being a better route runner. I'm not sure the Jets will be able to find a true no. 1 this offseason though allowing Anderson to continue to build his rapport with Darnold and growing his upside potential.
I fully admit losing this trade is a real possibility but coming off a championship with not a great chance to repeat I wanted to shake it up a little. I can't saying no seller's remorse ever creeps in, but I'm pretty excited that it will pay off.
But we're still just talking about upside. Wide receivers tend to drop off a little at age 32 and really drop off around 34. The last time Green played 16 games was his age 29 season and he was only WR13 on a ppg basis. It is very possible his WR1 days are over. So you might get a high-end WR2 for 3 years or whatever Robby can be for 6 years/Callaway for 10 years.
