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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (19 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Who would argue that? Diggs>>Lockett to me.You arguably won on both elements in that trade.
Avery
Footballguy
Well, since you ask, I'll take on the argument:
Lockett has the better QB and perhaps the best deep ball throwing QB in the NFL
Lockett has an historically efficient 2018 in terms of targets vs. production
Lockett is now the undisputed #1 WR on his team
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Diggs got over double the targets than Lockett.
Lockett isnt going to see the same volume as Diggs even if he ends up as the #1
Lockett had an unsustainable amount of TDs in 2018 which inflated his numbers- you even mention this as his historic efficiency; that isnt sustainable
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team FFPC
I gave Mack
I got Cohen, Preston Williams, Boykin
I gave Mack
I got Cohen, Preston Williams, Boykin
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
10 team dynasty PPR 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB, WR, TE) 6 points all TD
Team A: Gave Wentz
Team B: Gave Tyler Boyd, Phillip Lindsay
Team A: Gave Wentz
Team B: Gave Tyler Boyd, Phillip Lindsay
I like the return (assuming you don't have a roster crunch and can accommodate the 3 for 1)
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I gave away Wentz. I also have Luck, Mayfield, Jimmy G. and Lamar Jackson. Idk how I ended up with five QBs
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Extremely good flip especially given your abundance of talent at QB. Now try to find a good deal for Jimmy G and you'll really be cooking with fire. Can't be using all those limited roster spots on QBs come the regular season.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Thanks. Somehow I ended up stacked at QB and TE (Kelce and Ertz), but shallow at good RB and WR. The recent Luck news has me a little worried actually.
Avery
Footballguy
Right. Which was my point. Lockett came in at as WW19 (PPR) on less than half the targets of Diggs who came is as WR12 (PPR). Now the previous WR1 for Seattle is gone. I think it's safe to assume Lockett will see more targets.
Possibly/probably. However, with a healthy Dalvin Cook it wouldn't surprise me to see a downtick in targets for Diggs closing the gap.
I'm assuming you meant an unsustainable ratio of TDs to targets and/or receptions which is a good point. However, if Lockett's targets and receptions goes up, his TDs can remain stable.
Look... I'm not saying that Diggs' trade value shouldn't be higher, I'm just saying there is an argument to be made that Lockett will outproduce Diggs. Feel free to disagree... as you already have.
Avery
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Preston easily obviously.
Not a big Mack fan, although I think he'll do well this year. I'd flip Cohen instantly if I could. Assuming roster spots aren't an issue.
In 10 team 1QB, I would take just Boyd or just Lindsay over Wentz.
If I was the rest of the league i’d be pissed
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I do have room for these guys. And I plan to try and flip Cohen. I like Mack more than most but I like this deal and I don't like the outlook in Indy if Luck is shelved.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Just went down in one of my leagues:
14 team PPR
Team A: Nuk Hopkins, Aaron Jones
Team B: Julio Jones, Amari Cooper, Curtis Samuel
14 team PPR
Team A: Nuk Hopkins, Aaron Jones
Team B: Julio Jones, Amari Cooper, Curtis Samuel
Run It Up
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Julio, Amari, and Samuel for me. As long as I don't particularly "need" Aaron Jones to start most weeks.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Team A traded D.J. Moore
Team B Traded: Calvin Ridley
Team A also has Samuel and did not want both Carolina WR.
Team B Traded: Calvin Ridley
Team A also has Samuel and did not want both Carolina WR.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Interesting ... i really like Ridley and I have been trying to get him where I can.. without much success... Offered James Washington & 2020 1st for Ridley & 2020 2nd. Was I off base on value here or what?
No idea where the picks will fall yet.
Doesn’t seem way off base, since 2020 1st valuations are through the roof right now. Could just be the other guy doesn’t like Washington. You might come back with 1st for Ridley if you really want him.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
A lot of league owners are giving these teams flack over this trade. Curious what the pool thinks.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't understand how to interpret the salary values, but it looks like Rodgers carries a steep cost that might tilt this deal. But I think that Team A improved his team in terms of fantasy production. If he can roster all that side without the Rodgers tax getting in his way.
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Watson > Rodgers, and what a gigantic salary dump. The $57 cap savings is a major piece of this deal.
Juju >~ Diggs. I would want something added to Diggs for Juju, but could see others feeling differently. Still, let’s say this difference offstets the salary dump. In short, I’m calling Rodgers/Juju for Watson/Diggs close enough to not get worked up about.
That leaves Allen, Watkins, Henry, a late 1st and a late 2nd vs. Kamara. If I’m the weaker team getting all those pieces I’d prefer better prospects than Henry and Watkins, but maybe you take what you can get? If this is superflex, maybe Allen has enough value to make it close?
If 1QB, I see Team B “winning” by a comfortable margin here, factoring in that they are also freeing up 2 roster spots for flyers while getting enough salary relief to fill those spots easily.
Collusion-veto-worthy? Not close. But likely indicative of why Team B is a championship contender and Team A is bottom-4.
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
Sorry, should have posted lineup requirements. 1QB 1 RB 2WR 1TE 1FLX (RB/WR/TE) then IDP (2DL/1LB/2DB and 1 FLX (LB/DB)
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I see Juju as very close to equal to Kamara.
So for me it is Watson and Diggs for Henry, Rodgers, Watkins, the 1st and 2nd and Allen as a throw in. I would run to the accept button to move Watson and Diggs for that. I like Henry quite a bit.
But I admittedly don't know or understand how to account for and mitigate the salary cost of Rodgers in this.
So for me it is Watson and Diggs for Henry, Rodgers, Watkins, the 1st and 2nd and Allen as a throw in. I would run to the accept button to move Watson and Diggs for that. I like Henry quite a bit.
But I admittedly don't know or understand how to account for and mitigate the salary cost of Rodgers in this.
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J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
The Rodgers savings is definitely a piece of the puzzle, but not as important as some might think. Many teams in this league have total salaries well under the cap. Team B was more than $20 under the $325 cap before this trade - plenty for him to pay his draft picks and be active in free agency.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team FFPC style (this one disbands after a 2020 jackpot season)
Team A gives Kelce, Barber
Team B gives Mixon, Herndon, Jared Cook
Team A gives Kelce, Barber
Team B gives Mixon, Herndon, Jared Cook
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
This one probably comes down to how much someone likes Barber. I happen to like him quite a bit. He's not equal to Mixon, but it's close enough for me that I'll take the downgrade to get Kelce in a heartbeat.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
You think Peyton Barber is close to Mixon? Or is it a different Barber we are talking about? If its Peyton Barber, he is not even in the same discussion as Mixon.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
yeah. the downgrade from Mixon to Barber is massive. Kelce is awesome, but i'm not sure i'd be willing to take the big downgrade at RB.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Peyton. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't the biggest factor in getting this deal done. Dude that shipped Mixon has CMC and Kamara and has some other depth there.
This really isn't about a downgrade from Mixon to Barber it is about acquiring Kelce in a TE premium. I wasn't involved but I think it is fair.
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
This was exactly what I was getting at. I definitely do not put Barber in the same class as Mixon. But to get Kelce, the downgrade to Barber seems fair to me.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think Team B is well on his way to winning another championship and cleared up some cap to boot.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
If you own conners I can see being willing to pay to secure what looks like a high value handcuff.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
10 team dynasty PPR 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB, WR, TE) 6 points all TD
Team A gives: Carlos Hyde, 2019 rookie/free agent pick #33
Team B (Damien Williams owner) gives: 2019 rookie/free agent pick #14
Team A gives: Carlos Hyde, 2019 rookie/free agent pick #33
Team B (Damien Williams owner) gives: 2019 rookie/free agent pick #14
jm192
Footballguy
12 Team 0.5 PPR
Start 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 Flex 1 Kicker
2 LB, DL, 2DB, 2 defensive flex
High scoring for IDP--1.5 pts for tackle/Ast, 6 points for Sack/INT, 3 points for FF, 2 points for FR. 2 points for TFL.
In general, Top IDP's score similar to elite RB/WR
1. Team A gets Penny/Fuller
Team B gets Devonta Freeman
2. Team A gets Evan Engram
Team B gets Tevin Coleman
3. Team A gets Corey Littleton
Team B gets Anthony Hitchens/Jared Cook
4. Team A gets Cam Newton
Team B gets Landon Collins
Start 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 Flex 1 Kicker
2 LB, DL, 2DB, 2 defensive flex
High scoring for IDP--1.5 pts for tackle/Ast, 6 points for Sack/INT, 3 points for FF, 2 points for FR. 2 points for TFL.
In general, Top IDP's score similar to elite RB/WR
1. Team A gets Penny/Fuller
Team B gets Devonta Freeman
2. Team A gets Evan Engram
Team B gets Tevin Coleman
3. Team A gets Corey Littleton
Team B gets Anthony Hitchens/Jared Cook
4. Team A gets Cam Newton
Team B gets Landon Collins
Trade three is not very good for Team B. I also wouldn't give up Cam to get Collins......DB's are the easiest position to find top 10 scorers every year.
Avery
Footballguy
Team A.
I don't see a scenario where Hyde runs away with the job. At best he works his way into a timeshare that devalues all the RBs.
