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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is a really good return there. Like that might be too much but that is the type of trade I would require if I were moving a player like CMC. Good work.King of the Jungle said:
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This would have been a good trade if the Raiders hadn't signed Drake. I'd take Hill by a long shot as it sits now.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You think Swift is really worth 1.1 by itself? I would say straight up (without Winston) he may be worth 1.3 but no more.
Yes and based on startups it would seem my opinion is not the minority one.
kutta
Footballguy
If I owned Swift I don't think I'd give him up for the 1.01 right now. Maybe after the draft and I see where the top 2 RB's go I'd change my mind, but even then, I'm pretty sure I'd keep Swift. He's proven he can play, looked good with erratic usage, and the coaching staff has already said they want to throw the ball a lot to him this year. I think Swift is going to see a ton of work.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I take Swift in that one as well. A somewhat close comp I just turned down 1.02 for my Taylor.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
In which case he'll wear down about week eight. Which, coincidentally is about the same time Lions fans will realize their head coach is Mike Tice 2.0.
kutta
Footballguy
Yeah, I know. But after 55 years of rooting for this team, could you let a guy have just a little hope?
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
JT is a much different animal. He is worth far more than Swift. Swift plays for a Lions team that hasn't had a 1k rusher since Reggie Bush in 2013. I wouldn't draft Swift over Harris if I they were both in this draft. Probably not Ettiene either but we still need the NFL draft to be sure on that.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I get the argument but, like Dobbins, the team the dude plays on matters. The Lions never have a top end RB. I for sure wouldn't even consider this until after the NFL draft at least.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm sorry.
But I think you're in a better place than being a Vikings fan, where your hopes are dashed year after year after year.
kutta
Footballguy
I'm not so sure. I've lived in Arizona for over 40 years now, so the two teams I am passionate about are the Lions and Cardinals. Lucky me!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is brutal. Some terrible luck for the football teams. I have been a Niner fan since I was 4 in 85 so have had some really good times. Some rough ones but not like that. Hopefully you have a team or 2 you route for outside of those 2 that have been good at times like GB or Pitts or something.
I don't prescribe to the line of thinking that the Lions are a bad spot for RB's. The previous staff was not so great but that's not very relevant to me.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I get that too but it has been multiple staffs. Not just one. Time will tell, I just think this is being way optimistic on Swift even though I do like him as a player.
That's to me like saying I won't invest in an Alabama RB because so and so failed. This line of thinking does not make sense to me It's not applicable in any way whatsoever to how to view players moving forward.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That makes sense to some extent but they had Derrick Henry at over 2k yards, Alexander was a league MVP, Ingram rushed for over 1k a few years ago, so not sure that holds. There are exceptions to every rule but I'd normally rather let someone else take that risk before I do.
The Alabama RB thing was an example. Another example would be something like not drafting a player who wears #13. In other words I think it's basically like allowing superstition to dictate your fantasy football decisions.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Send him a Christmas ham or at very least a card. you destroyed his team and greatly improved yours
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Still not enough for me to move CMC. Henry is great but in his twilight years and ARob and 1.12 don't make up the difference.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I used to be guilty of this (a long time ago) without regard for coaching staffs, etc. So stupid. Each player is independent of the player that came before him unless they played together, or had similar systems, then, well...you get what I'm saying. Each player is different regardless of program unless said program is known to be a system-type deal that doesn't churn out great professionals under the same coaches and philosophy as came before, how's that? Or that the current player played with and had lesser numbers and/or sat the bench behind regulars that have struggled in the NFL (I'm looking at you, DeVonta Smith). On the other hand, I'm swooning over you, Ja'Marr Chase, for your 2019 success while playing with Jefferson and the like.
My point is I used to say things about backs and receivers and stuff coming out of college without regard for individual differences in the backs or receivers. If they're different, then that should be reflected in evaluation and assessment.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'll agree that we shouldn't discount a guy just because he came from a place where previous failures also played.
But in this case we're talking about where a guy is going TO and the Lions are a void of a franchise. Yes there are seasons here and there, but careers? Never.
You really have to squint to think they finally got it right with this staff.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I guess but pattern proves something to me. I'll let someone else try to break that pattern. Only 1 1k yard rusher since 2004 is not superstition. That is just a terrible organization not able using the position properly.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You can call it stupid or being guilty if you want but Kevin Jones in 2004 and Reggie Bush in 2013 are the only ones that have broken 1K yards and those weren't even monster years. You can go for the outlier but that is like saying that Detroit has a chance to win the SB because they aren't the same team that they have been over the last 70 years.
As it pertains to Swift I consider the staff a major plus with respect to how the teams the OC and HC utilized Rb's in their previous spots. That's real tangible stuff to me I can discuss, not what someone from the past in no way relative other then he wore the same jersey.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I'm not calling you stupid. I'm looking back at when I would say "I don't want a 'Bama back because they're system backs" without really trying to evaluate each guy. You'll notice there's a lot of hedging in my post about what happens if there are similar staffs and philosophies in place for guys not making it.
As far as Detroit guys go, that's part of the reason people were staying away from D'Andre Swift. But I think that reason is fallacious, because it's the staff, philosophy, and personnel strengths/weaknesses that will dictate touches. I was more worried that all of the three main components of what determines who gets touches would change and they would emphasize different guys in different roles because Swift wasn't necessarily that regime's "guy," so to speak. And then they went out and brought in Williams, so the fears weren't totally unfounded in that respect.
I was just saying that to make blanket statements like the ones I was making were short-sighted, at best.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well, I guess I can soften my stance a little as Anthony Lynn IS a much better OC than HC.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I didn't take offense really and I agree with most statements that way. I have just been playing fantasy for a really long time and have done pretty well avoiding Lions RBs. Not saying it can't work out. Just saying I would lean the other way until proven otherwise. Its not 100% accurate. I just don't like some positions for certain teams. Like TEs for the Jags. Lions RBs is another one. It has just proved me right too many times. I'm sure it will prove me wrong eventually but I prefer to error on the side of caution.
That being said....in a redraft league, I would take Swift if it makes sense.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Very good advice. O-line is a huge part of it, so is the OC/HC, the rest of the offense, and his talent but being an ex O-lineman, I totally agree with your stance.
kutta
Footballguy
Well, I've been a Brady fan since he came in because he went to Michigan, so I kind of root for him. That's worked out OK.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Right. Understatement of the century. Still love Joe Cool but TB12 is the GOAT without question.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Just saw the 1.06 sold for Hunt, Reagor & Gesicki in PPR.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SF not involved:
Team A gave Darnold, 3.06
Team B gave Edmonds, 2022 1st
Team A gave Darnold, 3.06
Team B gave Edmonds, 2022 1st
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Might as well say Williams, Waddle or Smith because the other 3 are never going to be there at 6 right
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Past Lions coaching staffs have zero correlation to what Swift does going forward. I don’t even get how that’s a thing?
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team super flex.
gave: 1.07, diontae Johnson
received: 1.05
i think 2-3 qbs go in top 5.
this would leave me with one of chase, ET, Harris
gave: 1.07, diontae Johnson
received: 1.05
i think 2-3 qbs go in top 5.
this would leave me with one of chase, ET, Harris
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Wow. Free diontae basically.
The players in the 5 to 7 range seem like they will be valued closely and I wouldn't want to pay to pick your favorite.
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Boston
Footballguy
With the talent in this draft I would definitely move down two spots and also be able to add Johnson...IMO 1.7 is still in the "stud zone" and you also add a 24 year old quality WR who I don't think many would be surprised if he took his game to another level this year.
