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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (13 Viewers)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Excellent cash out on Henry…you were able to obtain maybe the best Dynasty asset without giving up picks or really touching the core of your roster outside of Henry…the Cooper part of the deal makes no sense to me…Henry while getting older still has a chance to be the #1 RB in fantasy for a year or two more, Stevenson is a nice addition but IMO he needed to be the third piece of the return…Cooper is just a head-scratcher as he is a solid player but he is 28, has never lived up to hype and if Watson gets suspended for a year you may waste one of the remaining prime years he has left…if that other piece was a #1 or another quality young player like an Elijah Moore or Chris Olave I could understand the thinking more but Cooper is just an awful fit for this type of deal.
sheerterror
Footballguy
My other WRs of note are Mooney Pittman Cooks D. Johnson and Hopkins, so frankly, Cooper was the one I wanted the least and would have expected at least a counter with one of the others. In some fairness to that owner, his WRs are now Chase Diggs Godwin and Cooper, plus Hock and Henry. He can get lucky and make a deep run with that team this year.
sheerterror
Footballguy
That was kind of my thinking. In my other league, one of the owners has accumulated tons of top tier assets via very very lopsided looking trades with the same 2 teams, so part of this is the general mantra of trying to get a top guy before someone else does. But I also try to never lowball, and while this one looks overwhelmingly in my favor from this board's perspective, I like to feel as though I at least gave him 2 strong assets to make his team competitive for a final 4 this year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes - Henry shouldn’t be a huge drop-off for this season and of course it’s conceivable Henry outscores Taylor in 2022 - not that I’m betting on it.
Cooper and Stevenson are very nice depth pieces with Stevenson having upside.
Still - an obvious win.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That seems low for JJ
Pickett is a bit of a blank tile, so Kmet, Moore & a 1st?
huh. Nice pull!
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC standard.
Drake London and Garrett Wilson.
For.
Davante Adams, Dallas Goedert, and a future 2nd (mid)
Drake London and Garrett Wilson.
For.
Davante Adams, Dallas Goedert, and a future 2nd (mid)
joey
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
Team A (me) gave: Michel, Darrel Williams, D.Foreman, 3.04, 2023 1st (should be bottom 6, hoping bottom 3), 2023 2nd
Team B gave: James Robinson, 2023 1st (should be top 6, hoping top 3)
I've got ETN and offered two 3s for Robinson, and he came back and wanted a 2nd and 3rd. I've got plenty of picks to spare but facing a roster crunch. Didn't really want to trade those 3 guys but I offered the 2&3 to cover Robinson then threw the other 3 in with the first round swap next year hoping that it will pay off.
Team B gave: James Robinson, 2023 1st (should be top 6, hoping top 3)
I've got ETN and offered two 3s for Robinson, and he came back and wanted a 2nd and 3rd. I've got plenty of picks to spare but facing a roster crunch. Didn't really want to trade those 3 guys but I offered the 2&3 to cover Robinson then threw the other 3 in with the first round swap next year hoping that it will pay off.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Dynasty league with a twist. Superpot in year 5 so the pot is roughly twice as much. We are in year 5 this year so current production has a little more importance. That said:
Traded Dalvin Cook for Javonte Williams
Traded Dalvin Cook for Javonte Williams
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like the deal in any format. Short term it might not be as good, but for the long haul I’m much higher on JWill.
efactor
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I thought that too at first - if I saw this offer for JJ in that thread it would fit right in. lol.
DropKick
Footballguy
13 owners but expanding to 16. Normally keep 14 dropping down to 9 this year for expansion draft.
I gave *Tom Brady, 1.08, 6.11 and two 23 1sts probably 8-16 range.
I got Justin Herbert, 2.09, 4.10, 6.05,6.08,6.15 and a 23 2nd.
*Brady owner gets a supplemental pick at end of 3rd round upon retirement.
I gave *Tom Brady, 1.08, 6.11 and two 23 1sts probably 8-16 range.
I got Justin Herbert, 2.09, 4.10, 6.05,6.08,6.15 and a 23 2nd.
*Brady owner gets a supplemental pick at end of 3rd round upon retirement.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
1qb. I know you like 23 1sts I started collecting them due to your posting about them. Still have my original. Just wanted a hopefully set it and forget it qb for the next 8-10 years.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like the deal even in 1 QB - a league that size (16) makes QBs more valuable.
And yeah - while I covet 2023 1sts (hoard, even) I don’t mind paying the 1sts for a win-now team - they’re going to be less valuable the later the picks, and if they can get you a foundational piece, they’re doing their job. I’m in a complete rebuild, so I need all the bullets I can get - but I’d still deal one if the right trade comes along.
Birdie048
Footballguy
So if I am reading this right, that is THREE 1st Round picks & Brady for Herbert & TWO 2nds?
I think that is a little overpay, but I am a fan of Herbert and not a fan of Brady so my bias might be tilting the wheel
Herbert is the most valuable piece unless those 2023 1st were to somehow become early picks, so that is a good use of assets here. I have no problem with this deal, but I would have tried to drop 1 of those 1st to a 2nd.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
In a 1 QB league that is too much to pay for J. Herbert. I own Herbert and if I got 2 firsts offer for him I would snap accept. I will definitely be trying to shop him.
You might be right on the overpay. It’s kind of a unique situation in our league this year, as we are expanding so going from keeping 9 this year to our normal 14 next year the picks I got back in the 2-6 range carry decent value for me in securing decent keepers going into next offseason. I’ll admit it’s the most anyone has paid in our leagues 20+ year history for a qb but I think I can manage.
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I hear you. And I had another owner in our league tell me same thing. I was good with trading Brady 1.08 and a 23 1st for the expected security of Herbert in a 16 team league. Giving up the other 23 1st stings but I think I got enough capital back to make it work.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
You are in a deeper league than my main leagues so you know way more about those later round draft choices than me. We don't have rookie drafts past round 3. So all those 4th round-6th round picks don't do anything for me.
So subtract all that noise it is:
Brady, 1.08, 2023 1st, 2023 1st
for
Herbert, 2.09, 2023 2nd
I am taking the Brady side all day...I have been wrongly betting on Brady's decline for years now, but for me every year is the year.
Makes sense. I’m not the best at explaining things. Rounds 1 and 2 are for rookies, rounds 3-18 are everything else. We also start coaches.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Well that would definitely make the 3rd round more valuable than most 3rd round picks in rookie drafts since you could get those veterans that have their value improve. This year think MVS, Lazard, Samuel, Winston, Mostert, Hurst, Patrick, Watkins, and Ryan.
Absolutely those players minus Winston and there will probably be 10-15 similar or better to the ones you listed along with some decent new hire coaches like Bowles, McDaniels, Dennis Allen. Plus defenses and kickers score higher in this league than probably 90% of leagues that are out there I’m guessing.
dipandglide
Footballguy
12 Teams, Superflex, PPR
Gave: Mariota, Marquise Brown
Got: Claypool, Gabriel Davis, and Nico Collins
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We start 11 players. I'm giving up the best player (Brown) but getting two players who are younger, offer upside, and can happily start due to their ceilings. Clay/Davis are polarizing. I'm curious what you guys think. This was a rare auto-accept from me.
Gave: Mariota, Marquise Brown
Got: Claypool, Gabriel Davis, and Nico Collins
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We start 11 players. I'm giving up the best player (Brown) but getting two players who are younger, offer upside, and can happily start due to their ceilings. Clay/Davis are polarizing. I'm curious what you guys think. This was a rare auto-accept from me.
I usually like to be the one getting the best player in these type of trades. But I can see it working out for you if Davis reaches close to his potential.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I roster all 3 and would say it’s not very clear who the best player will be out of Claypool, Davis and Brown - I can make a case for all 3 I think.
I can see that, although I’d lean towards Brown. He has a better track record in a limited passing offense. Brown should now get more targets with a qb he has a prior connection with. I’d say Davis probably has top 15 upside if everything breaks right for him I just wouldn’t bet on it happening. I don’t have a good read on Claypool. I have a feeling he will hang around the league for a few years based on physical attributes/potential not production.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That would be a snap accept for me. Love the value got back for Mariota & Brown.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would normally agree, but Marquis Brown feels like a paper tiger at this point. I have no idea what he’s gonna do in Arizona, especially when Hopkins comes back. Plus, I don’t trust Kyler Murray. So I’m not really sure he is the best player in this deal.
with all of the wide receivers having question marks, Give me the three chances at finding a stud instead of one.
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Yeah you’re probably right. Admittedly I overlooked the ppr aspect. I only play in one league and it’s distance scoring based. Brown seems to be good for 4 or 5 long tds a year.
Blick
Footballguy
I think it’s closer than others have said. I like Brown a lot and think he’s undervalued. He was on a WR1 pace prior to Jackson getting hurt. He goes from a team that wants to lead the league in rushing attempts to Klingsbury’s high tempo, spread offense with little legit competition for targets in the first 6 weeks. ARI gave up a 1st round pick to get him so I can’t imagine they don’t plan to sign him long term. Hopkins isn’t going anywhere but is on the wrong side of 30. Last, the familiarity with Murray shouldn’t be overlooked.
All that said, the value is probably on the Davis/Claypool/Collins side.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like Brown. I agree he’s undervalued. But at the same time opponents seemed to figure Out Kingsbury’s schtick and shut that offense down the last half of the season. Niners, Seahawks & Rams defenses are all pretty tough, and I just don’t know what to make of the AZ receiving corps.
fully concede that Brown might be a top 12 WR in that offense with Hopkins out. Moore is pretty decent too, so he has a little competition for catches, but your point is valid.
I just feel like if one hits on 2/3 of Clayoool/Davis/Collins as top 20 WRs, the value is on that side.
But no question if Brown has a breakout season, it swings the deal the other way.
Blick
Footballguy
I see Brown as a pretty sure thing WR2, well as sure as I can be. I think you’re hoping for one of Davis, Claypool, or Collins to get there. Of the three, Davis probably has the best chance.
Boston
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed. But with Brown a WR2, and a fairly safe assumption that Gabe Davis will be that (with upside for more) if you hit on either Collins or Claypool you’ve got 2 WR2s instead of 1 (Brown). And if you’re truly hunting for a WR1 (and who isn’t?) you get 3 darts to throw instead of 1. Mariota isn’t very valuable, so I see a 3 for 1 WR swap, and I just don’t think Brown is worth all 3 of those dudes.
But like I said - there’s a greater than 0 chance I’m wrong and Brown becomes a FF WR1. I think it’s unlikely after week 6 though when that receiver corps becomes more crowded.
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Blick
Footballguy
I understand you reasoning and agree in theory. I even agree that the value is probably on the WR side. I just don’t see as much upside in the 3 WRs. Davis probably has the most, but his ceiling is somewhat capped by Diggs. Of five players in this deal, Brown has the best chance to be a real difference maker. That doesn’t mean the others aren’t valuable or don’t have upside.
Just to add, our discussion is writing off Mariotta. If he proves serviceable, he could be the best piece of this deal
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
i agree Davis is the prize on the other side. I also know Diggs is approaching age 30, and Davis seems like the a preferred RZ target to Diggs. So Davis definitely has upside that’s fairly close to Brown, IMO.
It’ll be a battle between those two to determine who truly wins this deal. Short term it might actually be Brown
I have MM on my rebuild (traded Huntley to the LJax owner before MM signed with ATL) - I love his potential as a rebound, and could definitely see him getting a starting job somewhere next season if he parlays this opportunity.
I’m skeptical he’s the best part of the deal, but concede that it’s possible. That it’s SF makes it a legit possibility.
But for the moment his trade value is very low.
