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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (10 Viewers)
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Blick
Footballguy
Even if it’s early, how much value will it hold, at least compared to Allen, Johnson, and a 1st.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have 14-15 players I’d like to draft in 2023, so potentially quite a bit. Also useful for adding a trade chip.
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Blick
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Blick
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
As others have noted, this isn't even close, IMO. Give me Lamb all day. I love set it and forget it guys, too, which is what Allen is, but you can't give up Lamb straight up for that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Blick
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
I see what both sides are doing...the x-factor is Dobbins and what he does after having an ACL...for you I really like the addition of that #1...when you look at this deal it is safer on your side because you know what Mixon is and you get the #1 which has a ton of value...the other side needs some ifs to happen for this to really work out...if Dobbins is healthy (and the primary guy) and if Zeke is washed up or gets hurts this could be a great deal...instead of dealing with the ifs I will stick with the safety of Mixon and the #1.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This would have taken me 11 seconds to accept. Mixon/1st in a landslide.
I’ve always been a Mixon guy though, and I love me some ‘23 1sts.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is why I don't play much SF because it does overvalue average players. Anyone that is a starting QB or a path to being a starter is worth a ton in that format. I don't like it either. Just saying the value is still there and I would feel that I could get more for a package of Watson and Pickett. I get what you are saying too I just look at value too much for that.barackdhouse said:
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd probably take the Allen side here. You also get a 1st. Plus, DJ may have a new team after this year as Pitts doesn't like to pay their WRs. I love DJ's talent but I think the value is on the other side of this trade and AJ Green is done.mzkp54 said:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Honestly it depends on scoring. it’s a bit of a myth of SF that any QB with a pulse and a job is gold. More valuable than standard 1 QB for sure, but it’s format dependent.
Example: our league-winner 2 years ago never started a 2nd QB except on his QB1’s BYE week.
We have 6 pt PaTD, but only .1/25 PaYd and Ints are -3.
So a top WR or RB can easily outscore a QB2.
Like any format, player value is scoring dependent. In the 16 team SF IDP league I just joined, it’s both TE-P *and* start 2 TE. It arguably makes TE’s the most valuable players in the league.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like the Mixon side by a mile, especially if that 1st in 23 ends up being a top 6 pick. I will say that next year Dobbins and Pollard could make this look bad as I expect both to have a firm grip on their respective backfields then. I'd have made this move though, especially if I thought I could win this year.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I think bias feelings removed the best I can, I have to be considered one of the best teams in this league
Mahomes, Mac Jones, Daniel Jones
Chubb, Mixon, Etienne, Edmonds, Gus Edwards
Hill, Higgins, McLaurin, Evans, Hopkins, Dotson, Pierce, Hardman, Peoples-Jones
Kelce, Engram, McBride
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Very true as that TE league you have talked about makes them more valuable too which also overvalues some average guys. You are correct scoring can be swayed to make it fair. I was more talking about the average SF league.
Plus, you are definitely correct that a top RB or WR can outscore a QB2 but most of the time that 2nd flex spot would be the person's RB4 or WR4 which rarely is good enough to outscore a QB2. Although morphing the scoring helps.
I have played in them and still have one in redraft but just not a huge fan and would prefer my dynasty not mess with scoring to make average players better like the QB/TE because they aren't as valuable as a position as the RB/WR.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is a solid squad. I'd have made that deal. Chances are it works out well for both of you.
This is such a tough thing because I fall on the other side where you have everyone saying Lamb>>>>>>> Allen in a 1QB league. That essentially undervalues great players. So which is better? I have no idea.
The right answer is to have SF but manage the scoring so it isn't the same as a 2 QB league so that it isn't an auto start QB in the flex. If you have that the value of QB's goes up compared to 1 QB but isn't overwhelming as you have described. There is a way to make SF the correct answer......unfortunately many SF's aren't scored that way and then you get the overvalued situation.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ll also add that we don’t truly know which side wins because we don’t know their scoring.
That said, I’m actually on the Allen side here regardless of format. There are a ton of good WRs. Allen gives you a huge weekly advantage at QB.
I think it’s a pretty fair deal, but I prefer the Allen side. I like having an elite set & forget QB if I can.
In redraft I’m always the guy taking a 9th or 10th round starter, but if I had an Allen it would take more than Lamb to get him from me.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team PPR. Start 1 QB. I had (5) 2023 1sts, (6) 2023 2nds, and (2) 2023 3rds so I went after an asset I thinks value will increase.
Gave: Wentz, 2023 2nd (mid-late), 2023 2nd (mid-late)
Received: D. Watson
Gave: Wentz, 2023 2nd (mid-late), 2023 2nd (mid-late)
Received: D. Watson
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, yeah - his value should increase. And if you’re ok not having him for up to a year, it works.
It does feel like a bit of an overpay though. I’ve seen him go for much less recently. IMO the 2x 2nds alone should have gotten it done.
Bur if he comes back in 2023 & plays at an elite level, it’s probably worth it.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
the league I have you have to have equal players on each side. I threw in Wentz because he is my worst QB of the 3 I had on my roster (Tua, Tannehill). I also didn't want 3 QBs on my roster so Wentz was nothing for me. I will use Tannehill and Tua this year and hopefully Watson next year.
Tau837
Footballguy
Not every SF is the same, though. I play in one where QB scoring is about 2/3 of typical QB scoring. Because it is a 12 team SF league, QBs are still very valuable, of course, but not nearly to the extent as in my other SF leagues.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is probably worth it if you can wait a year for him. Don't like paying for a QB in a 1 QB league but you had plenty of assets.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seems like Wentz + one 2nd could’ve gotten it done then.
intersting rule - I hate it. lol
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In this case I’m heavily on the Hock side. Age, positional rarity both factor heavily.Apparently the Allen/Lamb trade that I posted yesterday sparked another QB deal in this league.
12 tm PPR, 1 QB
Team A gets Russell Wilson
Team B gets Hockenson
Witn Allen/lamb, they’re both young.
I don’t know how elite Russ is even with the move to Denver - I had concerns about him in Seattle last year, and he looked a little slow footed.
Smash accept for Hock. Not awesome for the team getting Wilson. Gave away value IMO.!
wlwiles
Footballguy
Sorry HSG, you reply too fast
. I had the trade wrong... it was Wilson for Goedert. Apparently two offers were made and the dude accepted the wrong one by mistake so it posted then got pulled by the commish. doubt it changes much if anything of what you said though
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Eh, Goedart is actually a sizable downgrade from Hock, IMO.Sorry HSG, you reply too fast
doubt it changes much if anything of what you said though
But you’re right. I still like the Gogurt side.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Tua and a 2nd was initial offer. He demanded 2 2nds so I swapped out Tua and gave him what he wanted.
agreed on the trade rule. Makes deals more difficult to execute.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, or I’m sure you see a lot of trash / end of bench players getting tossed around for no reason.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
All very good points above. Y'all know I play FFPC almost exclusively. So the roster size crunch is perhaps the biggest factor when thinking about those kinds of deals like the Olave for Pickett/Watson deal. For me I mean. Maybe the OP has deeper benches and you can afford to let a rookie QB (that I think won't play this year outside of injury) develop on your bench for a couple years. Just can't do it in FFPC SF. I laugh when and if people roster those kinds of guys. Because of the format. Those are roster cloggers.
I think the value question holds much more water in a deeper bench league whereas if it were shorter or FFPC I would rather clear the roster spot and get Olave. Then I can stream a different QB off waivers when a starter gets injured in week x. But not if I don't have room.
So yes scoring and parameters matter.
Which applies to 100% of trades in here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Absolutely. And in your format the roster space itself has a ton of value, making a 2 for 1 even better. It has value to get rid of Pickett just to clear the spot.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I have the Goedert side here as well but if I had depth at TE and a hole at QB, I could get this argument. I wouldn't have a problem with this either way depending on my team. I would have preferred a different QB to Russ but he still has some upside in Denver but coin flip right now.Apparently the Allen/Lamb trade that I posted yesterday sparked another QB deal in this league.
12 tm PPR, 1 QB
Team A gets Russell Wilson
Team B gets Goedert
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Totally understand that. I play in a deep bench league with a decent size taxi as well. Gives us a lot of play. I could see the value you are listing there. Just feel you could have got a pick back or something to even it out. Not saying someone is dumb for doing this trade, just that the on paper value is on the other side. Definitely other factors can close the gap though.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
1 QB, SF, or 2 QB? For 1 QB I take Mitchell. For SF or 2 QB I probably roll the dice on Watson depending on my RB's.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I probably take Mitchell in a 1QB league, especially with the suspension coming. If SF or 2QB, I'd probably say it is worth it to roll the dice on Watson. Although, for a team that was in the championship last year, I would think they would have swung a trade for a player that will help him win now.
1 QB, standard
Team B has J.Taylor and Ekeler as starters.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I still think I'd have tried to trade Mitchell for a QB that could help me win this year.
Both teams involved seem to think that Watson will only be suspended 6-8 games max.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Big one here
I sent:
Derrick Henry, R. Stevenson, Amari Cooper
I received:
Jonathan Taylor
Wanted to move Henry before the wheels fell off, even if he has 1-3 elite seasons left in him. Thrilled I could swap him for Taylor and it didn't cost me any picks. 2 starters for 1 may hurt me a little though this season as I'm not very deep at WR.
I sent:
Derrick Henry, R. Stevenson, Amari Cooper
I received:
Jonathan Taylor
Wanted to move Henry before the wheels fell off, even if he has 1-3 elite seasons left in him. Thrilled I could swap him for Taylor and it didn't cost me any picks. 2 starters for 1 may hurt me a little though this season as I'm not very deep at WR.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Would have to be two firsts added to the Henry side to have a chance in my league. Good for you.
joey
Footballguy
wlwiles
Footballguy
Well done sir.
It's deals like this that make me want to go throw offers out on the Taylor/Jefferson/Chase type guys because even though we all think they should be uber expensive and we figure unless we offer the moon and stars it's not even worth the time, you never know what kind of deal that owner might take.
