****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (18 Viewers)

[-OZ-]

1.03 rookie for 1.05 rookie + J Herbert

Looks like Bowers or odunze for Herbert and Brian Thomas or possibly the choice of RB. Right now there appears to be a tier break after 4 but that can change quick.
OTOH, Herbert could be entering his best season. I’d take that side.

 

[Da Franchise]

(assuming Lockett is gone)

Not sure that’s a safe assumption.

I agree. It's not. But IF it happens, it will be huge for him.

JSN just turned 22, so he is still very young. Even if Lockett hangs around for one more year, JSN still has plenty of time.

I’m just curious but what is your conviction based on? Is it predraft evaluation or something you saw last year? Do you think he becomes an outside WR at some point? Not that he needs to be in order to hit upper levels of production but generally I want to see more diversity.

I seem to be lower than consensus on him by a good deal. Maybe 25-40 spots or so on KTC rankings. For me it’s based on his athletic profile and snoozy rookie year weighing down the positives about him heading into last season. Still think he could certainly hit but I’ve definitely adjusted from my expectations a year ago.

 

[Da Franchise]

1.03 rookie for 1.05 rookie + J Herbert

Looks like Bowers or odunze for Herbert and Brian Thomas or possibly the choice of RB. Right now there appears to be a tier break after 4 but that can change quick.
OTOH, Herbert could be entering his best season. I’d take that side.

Personally I think Harbaugh is a ding on Herbert, not an enhancement. Could certainly see this deal working for both teams but I’d rather be on the side getting 1.03.

 

[-OZ-]

Personally I think Harbaugh is a ding on Herbert, not an enhancement.

How so? I’d think a competent coach is better than what Herbert was dealing with.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

(assuming Lockett is gone)

Not sure that’s a safe assumption.

I agree. It's not. But IF it happens, it will be huge for him.

JSN just turned 22, so he is still very young. Even if Lockett hangs around for one more year, JSN still has plenty of time.

I’m just curious but what is your conviction based on? Is it predraft evaluation or something you saw last year? Do you think he becomes an outside WR at some point? Not that he needs to be in order to hit upper levels of production but generally I want to see more diversity.

I seem to be lower than consensus on him by a good deal. Maybe 25-40 spots or so on KTC rankings. For me it’s based on his athletic profile and snoozy rookie year weighing down the positives about him heading into last season. Still think he could certainly hit but I’ve definitely adjusted from my expectations a year ago.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but how often does the consensus #1 wr go to a team with 2 solid starting WRs anymore? JSN didn't have a great rookie season star wise but he also wasn't put in that position either. Instead he was brought along slowly and got better as the season progressed. Is he a Justin Jefferson? Doubtful. But he has all the tools to be a Keenan Allen for a long time in this league. I'm a buy on him at his current ADP.

 

[menobrown]

10 team dynasty, 1PPR/1.5PPR TE, 4pt passing TDs

1.03 rookie for 1.05 rookie + J Herbert

Side ditching Herbert has Mahomes too

Bad trade IMO to move back. Bigger gulf between 3 and 5 then 3 and 1 and I'd think finding QB's in 10 team one start QB leagues is not that challenging.

 

[menobrown]

Personally I think Harbaugh is a ding on Herbert, not an enhancement.

How so? I’d think a competent coach is better than what Herbert was dealing with.

I also agree it's a ding on Herbert for fantasy, not real life though.

I'd disagree that Kellen Moore is not a competent coach. I'm not that big on him but he's plenty competent to run a passing attack.

Harbaugh may open things up more then people think, and he's never quite had a guy like Herbert, but he's always had run heavy offenses. Unless they take a pass catcher at 5 his weapons are old and maybe lessening if MW is cut and for as good as Keenan Allen he is a chain mover that's not really getting you a lot of fantasy point. Also while Staley may have been a doofus his constant desire to go for it on 4th down and go for it instead of kicking FG's helped Herbert and I don't think Jim will play it that way.

I expect a more efficient Herbert, but one with less volume. I'm not dinging him heavy, but I'm dinging him a little.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I expect a more efficient Herbert, but one with less volume. I'm not dinging him heavy, but I'm dinging him a little.

Agreed.

That said, Harbaugh managed to get a lot out of a very flawed Kaepernick, so who knows - maybe Herbert used his legs a little more & helps to offset some of what he might lose in passing volume.

 

[phandango]

FFPC Triflex Superflex (TE premium, start three WRs)

Gave: Justin Fields
Got: Mark Andrews, 2025 R1

This offer came in unsolicited, but the other guy has previously made about a dozen offers trying to unload Andrews. My partner and I don't have much depth after Fields, but the other team was one of the worst in the league, so his '25 R1 could be easy to flip. Just seemed like more value was on the Andrews side.

 

[JohnnyU]

FFPC Triflex Superflex (TE premium, start three WRs)

Gave: Justin Fields
Got: Mark Andrews, 2025 R1

This offer came in unsolicited, but the other guy has previously made about a dozen offers trying to unload Andrews. My partner and I don't have much depth after Fields, but the other team was one of the worst in the league, so his '25 R1 could be easy to flip. Just seemed like more value was on the Andrews side.

Good trade for u

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC Triflex Superflex (TE premium, start three WRs)

Gave: Justin Fields
Got: Mark Andrews, 2025 R1

This offer came in unsolicited, but the other guy has previously made about a dozen offers trying to unload Andrews. My partner and I don't have much depth after Fields, but the other team was one of the worst in the league, so his '25 R1 could be easy to flip. Just seemed like more value was on the Andrews side.

That’s a. Pretty nice return on Fields.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I expect a more efficient Herbert, but one with less volume. I'm not dinging him heavy, but I'm dinging him a little.

I agree. Andrew Luck had 32 TD passes in 2010 with Harbaugh in 13 games and ran for 453 yards. I think there are a lot of similarities between Herbert and Luck from a physical attribute standpoint. I am not expecting Herbert to lead the league in passing yards but I would anticipate a more balanced offense that will open up a lot of possibilities and improved offensive efficiency. There may be some growing pains with the roster that will force them to throw more this coming year as well.

 

[kutta]

(assuming Lockett is gone)

Not sure that’s a safe assumption.

I agree. It's not. But IF it happens, it will be huge for him.

JSN just turned 22, so he is still very young. Even if Lockett hangs around for one more year, JSN still has plenty of time.

I’m just curious but what is your conviction based on? Is it predraft evaluation or something you saw last year? Do you think he becomes an outside WR at some point? Not that he needs to be in order to hit upper levels of production but generally I want to see more diversity.

I seem to be lower than consensus on him by a good deal. Maybe 25-40 spots or so on KTC rankings. For me it’s based on his athletic profile and snoozy rookie year weighing down the positives about him heading into last season. Still think he could certainly hit but I’ve definitely adjusted from my expectations a year ago.

It’s several things. And I’ll admit I am NOT great at watching film and talent evaluation.
But, by every report, he was the top WR in this draft class. He is an excellent route runner and great after the catch. He outplayed both Olave and Wilson when they were all healthy at Ohio State. Heck, both of them have said that he’s the best WR of the three of them.
He was in the unfortunate situation of being drafted to a team that had two established and very good WRs, so to me, all expectations for a great rookie year were diminished. But it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the talent to be outstanding in this league.
It will take Lockett retiring or leaving for him to truly shine, but that could happen very soon. And with a new coaching staff this year, things could be a lot different in Seattle very soon.

 

[King of the Jungle]

(assuming Lockett is gone)

Not sure that’s a safe assumption.

I agree. It's not. But IF it happens, it will be huge for him.

JSN just turned 22, so he is still very young. Even if Lockett hangs around for one more year, JSN still has plenty of time.

I’m just curious but what is your conviction based on? Is it predraft evaluation or something you saw last year? Do you think he becomes an outside WR at some point? Not that he needs to be in order to hit upper levels of production but generally I want to see more diversity.

I seem to be lower than consensus on him by a good deal. Maybe 25-40 spots or so on KTC rankings. For me it’s based on his athletic profile and snoozy rookie year weighing down the positives about him heading into last season. Still think he could certainly hit but I’ve definitely adjusted from my expectations a year ago.

It’s several things. And I’ll admit I am NOT great at watching film and talent evaluation.
But, by every report, he was the top WR in this draft class. He is an excellent route runner and great after the catch. He outplayed both Olave and Wilson when they were all healthy at Ohio State. Heck, both of them have said that he’s the best WR of the three of them.
He was in the unfortunate situation of being drafted to a team that had two established and very good WRs, so to me, all expectations for a great rookie year were diminished. But it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the talent to be outstanding in this league.
It will take Lockett retiring or leaving for him to truly shine, but that could happen very soon. And with a new coaching staff this year, things could be a lot different in Seattle very soon.

I appreciate the viewpoint, JJ is what you would be aspiring him to be correct? I guess I never understood trading a young elite player for potential when you hope he develops into what you trade away. I get you are getting a couple of mid/late picks as well, but my goal is to always accumulate as many elite players as I can. Bottom line is if someone wants JSN I would think there would be alternatives to getting him outside of giving up an elite player.

 

[rockaction]

I'll weigh in. I didn't like the JSN trade for the guy giving away JJ. Not enough, IMO. JSN doesn't move the needle for me. I don't think he's elite after watching him this year. That's solely my opinion and if Lockett is gone (I doubt he will be this year), game on? Maybe.

 

[menobrown]

how often does the consensus #1 wr go to a team with 2 solid starting WRs anymore?

He was in the unfortunate situation of being drafted to a team that had two established and very good WRs, so to me, all expectations for a great rookie year were diminished.

I would think the presence of two established receivers would be an issue for volume and impact him negatively in that respect so in that respect expectations for a big rookie year should have been in check.

But.

I would also think having the presence of those two WR's, which enabled him to in many ways mirror the situation he was in with Olave and Wilson, should have been a major boost to his efficiency. That was not the case.

Personally, if I was able to just base my evaluation of these players only on what I saw from them last year I'd say have to say players like Reed, Downs and Douglass actually showed me more and I refercence them as much less heraled players who are in the slot 55%+ or more of the time.

Maybe he was rusty from not playing much last year and/or getting the hand injury early just got him side tracked. I am way lower then consenus but can easily see a path of being wrong, and I defintely would not be taking Douglass or Downs over him, just mainly saying I did not actually see anything a whole lot last year that was overly impressive and to me saying it was because of DK and Lockett is not accounting for that.

 

[Da Franchise]

how often does the consensus #1 wr go to a team with 2 solid starting WRs anymore?

He was in the unfortunate situation of being drafted to a team that had two established and very good WRs, so to me, all expectations for a great rookie year were diminished.

I would think the presence of two established receivers would be an issue for volume and impact him negatively in that respect so in that respect expectations for a big rookie year should have been in check.

But.

I would also think having the presence of those two WR's, which enabled him to in many ways mirror the situation he was in with Olave and Wilson, should have been a major boost to his efficiency. That was not the case.

Personally, if I was able to just base my evaluation of these players only on what I saw from them last year I'd say have to say players like Reed, Downs and Douglass actually showed me more and I refercence them as much less heraled players who are in the slot 55%+ or more of the time.

Maybe he was rusty from not playing much last year and/or getting the hand injury early just got him side tracked. I am way lower then consenus but can easily see a path of being wrong, and I defintely would not be taking Douglass or Downs over him, just mainly saying I did not actually see anything a whole lot last year that was overly impressive and to me saying it was because of DK and Lockett is not accounting for that.

For me JSN was a difficult evaluation pre-draft last year. His detractors pointed to lacking speed and playing the slot while his backers pointed to production and supposedly being better than Wilson and Olave. I wasn’t in position to get him anywhere so never worried much about putting a fine point on it, but usually if a guy is expensive and highly touted and I can’t reach a strong conclusion I’ll just stay away.

I say that because his rookie year seems not have changed either viewpoint of him. We still have the same questions and rebuttals, only difference is we have a rookie season that was pretty mid in the books. For me he still has plenty of chances ahead of him to pay off for his believers but I still don’t see a big ceiling for him. In other words his rookie year didn’t move me one way or the other. Still a cloudy outlook and the pressure for his dynasty stock is on big time for next year. Feels like he has to have a pretty good season just to solidify his current value and if doesn’t, the bottom falls out. Not seeing the upside of trying acquiring him at current prices.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

 

[eighsse2]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

*flips down my superflex lenses* still getting used to these things ...

Still want to say I'd rather have Bijan than Herbert ... But you're probably right. I'll take this trade more for my own information than to give input from me.

 

[rockaction]

*flips down my superflex lenses* still getting used to these things ...

:slowclap:

I had to do the same thing because initially I thought, "WTF?"

Then I re-read it and unfortunately had no experience to base it upon, but thought that it seems fair given what quarterbacks go for in those leagues. I particularly like Justin Herbert, though, and have since his first year in the league. I think he's an outstanding talent. That said, Bijan might be too much to give up.

:shrugs:

 

[Boston]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

Who are your other QBs?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

Who are your other QBs?

Fields, Mayfield, Pickett, Minshew

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

Watson side for me. I expect the Cowboys to draft a RB fairly high and Pollard will be relegated back to his 3rd down role.

 

[Boston]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

Who are your other QBs?

Fields, Mayfield, Pickett, Minshew

The deal makes more sense with your current QB unit...Herbert settles it right down both short and long-term which allows you to concentrate on the rest of your team going forward...without him there was a lot of room for error and you could have been really boxed in at that position...Fields is now your #2 and fantasy-wise that is a great spot for you as he is always a threat to light it up...Mayfield moves to your #3 and once he signs a deal you should be safe with him for at least a few years as his deal will probably have that security...you can now deal both Pickett and Minshew if another Owner has the QBs that make sense to pair them up with...giving up Bijan is tough but you were in a spot where one QB injury would have been devastating as well as having two QBs in Fields and Mayfield that still have some long-term uncertainty with them...I am not a Waller fan and since you have other TEs I would have liked to see a different piece added but if you are getting a QB of Herbert's level and age without giving up a QB you don't have a ton of hand.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

Watson side for me. I expect the Cowboys to draft a RB fairly high and Pollard will be relegated back to his 3rd down role.

I agree. I think Dallas will draft a RB in the 2nd round. Jonathan Brooks anyone? Trey Benson?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

Watson side for me. I expect the Cowboys to draft a RB fairly high and Pollard will be relegated back to his 3rd down role.

I agree. I think Dallas will draft a RB in the 2nd round. Jonathan Brooks anyone? Trey Benson?

I like Trey Benson to DAL if they decide to use a 2-3rd rounder. If they look a bit further back, a guy like Braelon Allen sure is intriguing as a between the tackles kind of back.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

Who are your other QBs?

Fields, Mayfield, Pickett, Minshew

The deal makes more sense with your current QB unit...Herbert settles it right down both short and long-term which allows you to concentrate on the rest of your team going forward...without him there was a lot of room for error and you could have been really boxed in at that position...Fields is now your #2 and fantasy-wise that is a great spot for you as he is always a threat to light it up...Mayfield moves to your #3 and once he signs a deal you should be safe with him for at least a few years as his deal will probably have that security...you can now deal both Pickett and Minshew if another Owner has the QBs that make sense to pair them up with...giving up Bijan is tough but you were in a spot where one QB injury would have been devastating as well as having two QBs in Fields and Mayfield that still have some long-term uncertainty with them...I am not a Waller fan and since you have other TEs I would have liked to see a different piece added but if you are getting a QB of Herbert's level and age without giving up a QB you don't have a ton of hand.

Yep, that's where my thoughts were. As a reminder, this was a COMPLETE rebuild from the 2022 season. I targeted being competitive in 2025. The biggest roadblock to that is the lack of stellar RBs this year, although, it's a start RB/WR/TE and 5FLEX kind of league, so RB is arguably less important than most positions. I figure if I can pull down another starting level WR or two to go along with Puca, Collins, and JSN, I'll be fairly competitive a year early.

 

[Boston]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

Watson side for me. I expect the Cowboys to draft a RB fairly high and Pollard will be relegated back to his 3rd down role.

I agree. I think Dallas will draft a RB in the 2nd round. Jonathan Brooks anyone? Trey Benson?

I like Trey Benson to DAL if they decide to use a 2-3rd rounder. If they look a bit further back, a guy like Braelon Allen sure is intriguing as a between the tackles kind of back.

Allen would be a mistake IMO. I don't like the bruiser guys. While he has nifty feet for a big man, he's too much like A J Dillon or Brandon Jacobs. No thanks.

 

[Boston]

12 team SF TE+ large bench

Gave: Bijan, Hockenson
Got: Justin Herbert, Waller

Not a huge Waller fan, but I've.got plenty at TE to cover for the loss of Hock.

Who are your other QBs?

Fields, Mayfield, Pickett, Minshew

The deal makes more sense with your current QB unit...Herbert settles it right down both short and long-term which allows you to concentrate on the rest of your team going forward...without him there was a lot of room for error and you could have been really boxed in at that position...Fields is now your #2 and fantasy-wise that is a great spot for you as he is always a threat to light it up...Mayfield moves to your #3 and once he signs a deal you should be safe with him for at least a few years as his deal will probably have that security...you can now deal both Pickett and Minshew if another Owner has the QBs that make sense to pair them up with...giving up Bijan is tough but you were in a spot where one QB injury would have been devastating as well as having two QBs in Fields and Mayfield that still have some long-term uncertainty with them...I am not a Waller fan and since you have other TEs I would have liked to see a different piece added but if you are getting a QB of Herbert's level and age without giving up a QB you don't have a ton of hand.

Yep, that's where my thoughts were. As a reminder, this was a COMPLETE rebuild from the 2022 season. I targeted being competitive in 2025. The biggest roadblock to that is the lack of stellar RBs this year, although, it's a start RB/WR/TE and 5FLEX kind of league, so RB is arguably less important than most positions. I figure if I can pull down another starting level WR or two to go along with Puca, Collins, and JSN, I'll be fairly competitive a year early.

That format makes me like this deal even more.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

To me more sense for the guy getting Watson, even though I don't care for him either. Like I said, this deal is meh for me. I just think we're seeing a fade on Pollard. That's just my opinion and of course I could definitely be wrong.

 

[Boston]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

To me more sense for the guy getting Watson. I just think we're seeing a fade on Pollard. That's just my opinion and of course I could definitely be wrong.

Without looking at rosters I agree...but I do think Pollard has some good years left and I think going back to the role he had will be a plus for him...again, this is about roster construction in a 14-team league which has to be accounted for in a deal like this.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

 

[Boston]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

In a 14-team league where the talent gets thinned out quickly and you have limited options to improve at RB I have zero issues with Pollard...I think he has at least two real solid years left in him, and I think going back to his old role will be a plus for him...the days of the ball-cow RB are pretty much over (or very limited) and I think expectations need to be adjusted for the RB position...if this were a 10 team league I would be in no rush to make this move but in a 14 team league I understand (or at least I think I do) why it is happening.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

In a 14-team league where the talent gets thinned out quickly and you have limited options to improve at RB I have zero issues with Pollard...I think he has at least two real solid years left in him, and I think going back to his old role will be a plus for him...the days of the ball-cow RB are pretty much over (or very limited) and I think expectations need to be adjusted for the RB position...if this were a 10 team league I would be in no rush to make this move but in a 14 team league I understand (or at least I think I do) why it is happening.

I understand your thinking here, but I would rather throw a dart on a higher upside possibility, even if more risk, but that's just me. On the flip side, giving up Watson isn't exactly giving up too much IMO. He's not even the #1 WR on his on team. I believe Reed has taken that from him.

 

[Boston]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

In a 14-team league where the talent gets thinned out quickly and you have limited options to improve at RB I have zero issues with Pollard...I think he has at least two real solid years left in him, and I think going back to his old role will be a plus for him...the days of the ball-cow RB are pretty much over (or very limited) and I think expectations need to be adjusted for the RB position...if this were a 10 team league I would be in no rush to make this move but in a 14 team league I understand (or at least I think I do) why it is happening.

I understand your thinking here, but I would rather throw a dart on a higher upside possibility, even if more risk, but that's just me. On the flip side, giving up Watson isn't exactly giving up too much IMO. He's not even the #1 WR on his on team. I believe Reed has taken that from him.

I agree about the higher upside...my thinking is that because it is a 14-team league that option is not available.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

In a 14-team league where the talent gets thinned out quickly and you have limited options to improve at RB I have zero issues with Pollard...I think he has at least two real solid years left in him, and I think going back to his old role will be a plus for him...the days of the ball-cow RB are pretty much over (or very limited) and I think expectations need to be adjusted for the RB position...if this were a 10 team league I would be in no rush to make this move but in a 14 team league I understand (or at least I think I do) why it is happening.

I understand your thinking here, but I would rather throw a dart on a higher upside possibility, even if more risk, but that's just me. On the flip side, giving up Watson isn't exactly giving up too much IMO. He's not even the #1 WR on his on team. I believe Reed has taken that from him.

I agree about the higher upside...my thinking is that because it is a 14-team league that option is not available.

I offered Javonte Williams in a deal for JSN and a swap of the 1.06 for the 1.04. Keep in mind this is DEVY and 1`st round picks aren't as valuable in some cases. Nabers and Odunze will be long gone by the 1.4. Harrison is already rostered and so is Henderson and all the top QBs. Yes, RBs are hard to come by in a 14 team league. I would rather have Williams over Pollard as an upside play. He will be a season removed from that injury two years ago and I suspect he will only get better.

 

[Boston]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

In a 14-team league where the talent gets thinned out quickly and you have limited options to improve at RB I have zero issues with Pollard...I think he has at least two real solid years left in him, and I think going back to his old role will be a plus for him...the days of the ball-cow RB are pretty much over (or very limited) and I think expectations need to be adjusted for the RB position...if this were a 10 team league I would be in no rush to make this move but in a 14 team league I understand (or at least I think I do) why it is happening.

I understand your thinking here, but I would rather throw a dart on a higher upside possibility, even if more risk, but that's just me. On the flip side, giving up Watson isn't exactly giving up too much IMO. He's not even the #1 WR on his on team. I believe Reed has taken that from him.

I agree about the higher upside...my thinking is that because it is a 14-team league that option is not available.

I offered Javonte Williams in a deal for JSN and a swap of the 1.06 for the 1.04. Keep in mind this is DEVY and 1`st round picks aren't as valuable in some cases. Nabers and Odunze will be long gone by the 1.4. Harrison is already rostered and so is Henderson and all the top QBs. Yes, RBs are hard to come by in a 14 team league. I would rather have Williams over Pollard as an upside play. He will be a season removed from that injury two years ago and I suspect he will only get better.

I am guessing Watson for Javonte was not an option.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

All depends on rosters...14 team leagues are not easy to add talent so if you are in tough shape at RB I don't have an issue with this deal...Watson has the age in his favor but that Packer WR/TE unit is loaded so there is a lot of uncertainty with his upside...Pollard is a FA and his landing spot will obviously have a big influence on this deaI...if he were to remain in Dallas, I do expect them to add a RB but RBBC is the reality of most backfields and there just aren't too many RBs that don't have to deal with that...I am guessing if you looked at both rosters this deal makes sense for both sides.

If Dallas moves on from Pollard, depending on landing spot is always risky. There certainly isn't any guarantee that is good thing, and probably isn't. If he stays in Dallas and they draft someone like Benson in the 2nd or 3rd, moving Pollard back to a COP guy isn't great for his fantasy prospects. While he may still have value, is that really what you're looking for in a RB at this stage of Pollard's career?

In a 14-team league where the talent gets thinned out quickly and you have limited options to improve at RB I have zero issues with Pollard...I think he has at least two real solid years left in him, and I think going back to his old role will be a plus for him...the days of the ball-cow RB are pretty much over (or very limited) and I think expectations need to be adjusted for the RB position...if this were a 10 team league I would be in no rush to make this move but in a 14 team league I understand (or at least I think I do) why it is happening.

I understand your thinking here, but I would rather throw a dart on a higher upside possibility, even if more risk, but that's just me. On the flip side, giving up Watson isn't exactly giving up too much IMO. He's not even the #1 WR on his on team. I believe Reed has taken that from him.

I agree about the higher upside...my thinking is that because it is a 14-team league that option is not available.

I offered Javonte Williams in a deal for JSN and a swap of the 1.06 for the 1.04. Keep in mind this is DEVY and 1`st round picks aren't as valuable in some cases. Nabers and Odunze will be long gone by the 1.4. Harrison is already rostered and so is Henderson and all the top QBs. Yes, RBs are hard to come by in a 14 team league. I would rather have Williams over Pollard as an upside play. He will be a season removed from that injury two years ago and I suspect he will only get better.

I am guessing Watson for Javonte was not an option.

No, I certainly would not have done that, given what I think of Watson right now. Not close. I think Williams will be better than last year given the injury the year before.

 

[menobrown]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

I'd take Pollard and hope he lands well in FA or regains his form if he stays in Dallas and I would take Pollard because I don't like hearing that Watson is seeing a specialist for his hamstring issue(s). That's it, that's the reason, otherwise I'd be taking Watson but I'm not sold on the efficacy of hamstring specialist.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team DEVY / Dynasty PPR TE Prem

Team A gave Tony Pollard
Team B gave Christian Watson

I'm not involved in this trade. I suppose it's kinda meh to me. I don't like either player, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably take the Watson side.

I'd take Pollard and hope he lands well in FA or regains his form if he stays in Dallas and I would take Pollard because I don't like hearing that Watson is seeing a specialist for his hamstring issue(s). That's it, that's the reason, otherwise I'd be taking Watson but I'm not sold on the efficacy of hamstring specialist.

Understandable, but wishing for a good landing spot is risky too. We've seen that backfire a lot lately. As for staying in Dallas and regaining form, that is a possibility for sure, but I hear rumblings they intend to draft a RB early.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I'd gamble on Pollard getting a landing spot over Watson getting healthy and being a startable WR upon doing so.

Both pretty nothingy assets right now though. Give me any 2nd round pick over both of them.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'd gamble on Pollard getting a landing spot over Watson getting healthy and being a startable WR upon doing so.

Both pretty nothingy assets right now though. Give me any 2nd round pick over both of them.

2nd round picks in this 14 team devy league are like 3rd round picks in standard devy leagues, because the league has two drafts, one for devys and one for rookies. Hell, even 1st round picks are devalued in this type of league, except at the top some of the time. For example, this year will have Nabers and Odunze going 1 and 2 most likely. Harision Jr. is already rostered, all the 2024 QBs, except Daniels, Bowers, Worthy, Franklin, and a lot of the 2024 top guys.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Fair enough. The general point was that I'd prefer requisite draft capital over either players production going forwards. A gamble on a lower tiered rookie looks better to me than those two players.

 

[Boston]

Fair enough. The general point was that I'd prefer requisite draft capital over either players production going forwards. A gamble on a lower tiered rookie looks better to me than those two players.

In a 14-team league those second round picks can be a little bit of a mirage since they are picks 15-28...what are the odds you can do better than Pollard and Watson in the second half of the second round?

 

[JohnnyU]

Fair enough. The general point was that I'd prefer requisite draft capital over either players production going forwards. A gamble on a lower tiered rookie looks better to me than those two players.

In a 14-team league those second round picks can be a little bit of a mirage since they are picks 15-28...what are the odds you can do better than Pollard and Watson in the second half of the second round?

I agree, especially given the league parameters I listed above given the devy element, which devalues all rookie picks, except a few in the first round some of the time.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

In a 14-team league those second round picks can be a little bit of a mirage since they are picks 15-28

Yes I understand what the picks entail in a 14 team league.

The question of how valuable those picks are is relative to the value of the players you use to acquire them, and therefore the more useful question is what do you project for Pollard and Watson going forward. If the answer to that question, as it is for me, is 'not very much', then the idea of rerolling on a rookie is logical in my eyes.

I agree, especially given the league parameters I listed above, which devalues all rookie picks, except a few in the first round some of the time.

Maybe I've overvalued 2nd round picks in this particular format, but the point is still the same, I'd rather draft a rookie than have either of those two players. If picks are not valuable then presumably someone would part with their mid to late 1st for Pollard or Watson? Wherever the adjustment needs to be made for value to match the draft picks, I'd like to get off those two players for a draft pick in whatever range that is.

 

[JohnnyU]

In a 14-team league those second round picks can be a little bit of a mirage since they are picks 15-28

Yes I understand what the picks entail in a 14 team league.

The question of how valuable those picks are is relative to the value of the players you use to acquire them, and therefore the more useful question is what do you project for Pollard and Watson going forward. If the answer to that question, as it is for me, is 'not very much', then the idea of rerolling on a rookie is logical in my eyes.

I agree, especially given the league parameters I listed above, which devalues all rookie picks, except a few in the first round some of the time.

Maybe I've overvalued 2nd round picks in this particular format, but the point is still the same, I'd rather draft a rookie than have either of those two players. If picks are not valuable then presumably someone would part with their mid to late 1st for Pollard or Watson? Wherever the adjustment needs to be made for value to match the draft picks, I'd like to get off those two players for a draft pick in whatever range that is.

Here are the 2nd round picks from 2023. Better than I reemembered, but given the rookie draft is separate from the devy draft and that most of the best players are already rostered, it isn't even this good most of the time.

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2.01	15		Mims, Marvin DEN WR (R)	Tue May 9 7:54:55 p.m. CT 2023	5 minutes	68.7
2.02	16		Reed, Jayden GBP WR (R)	Tue May 9 7:59:27 p.m. CT 2023	4 minutes	217.2
2.03	17		Tillman, Cedric CLE WR (R) (Q)	Wed May 10 10:54:32 a.m. CT 2023	14 hours	44.2	[Pick traded from Cheesehead.]
2.04	18		Brown, Chase CIN RB (R)	Wed May 10 12:20:33 p.m. CT 2023	1 hour	50.3	[Pick traded from Angsty Curmudgeon.] Add Comment
2.05	19		Dell, Tank HOU WR (R) (Q)	Wed May 10 1:06:08 p.m. CT 2023	45 minutes	165.0	[Pick traded from Skillet Lickers.]
2.06	20		Gray, Eric NYG RB (R)	Wed May 10 3:01:58 p.m. CT 2023	1 hour	11.7
2.07	21		Washington, Darnell PIT TE (R)	Wed May 10 5:25:01 p.m. CT 2023	2 hours	15.2
2.08	22		Abanikanda, Israel NYJ RB (R)	Wed May 10 6:24:55 p.m. CT 2023	59 minutes	16.6
2.09	23		Wilson, Michael ARI WR (R)	Wed May 10 7:03:07 p.m. CT 2023	38 minutes	114.5
2.10	24		Nacua, Puka LAR WR (R)	Wed May 10 7:39:25 p.m. CT 2023	36 minutes	298.5	[Pick traded from Dexter. Pick traded from Team Air Bear.]
2.11	25		Vaughn, Deuce DAL RB (R) (Q)	Wed May 10 8:05:19 p.m. CT 2023	25 minutes	13.5
2.12	26		McBride, DeWayne MIN RB (R)	Wed May 10 8:25:29 p.m. CT 2023	20 minutes	-	[Pick traded from Bigslimgods. Pick traded from Atomic Theory.]
2.13	27		Levis, Will TEN QB (R) (Q)	Wed May 10 8:26:02 p.m. CT 2023	33 seconds	140.3	[Pick traded from Maverick.]
2.14	28		Schoonmaker, Luke DAL TE (R)

 

[JohnnyU]

Here are the 2nd round picks from 2022. Good luck with that. Again, rookie picks are devalued in this 14 team devy league where the rookie draft is separate from the devy draft.

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2.01	15		Pierce, Alec IND WR (R)
2.02	16		Davis-Price, Tyrion SFO RB (R)
2.03	17		Robinson, Wan'Dale NYG WR (R)
2.04	18		Pickett, Kenny PIT QB (R)
2.05	19		Tolbert, Jalen DAL WR (R)
2.06	20		Dulcich, Greg DEN TE (R)
2.07	21		Willis, Malik TEN QB (R)
2.08	22		Strong Jr., Pierre NEP RB (R)
2.09	23		Shakir, Khalil BUF WR (R)
2.10	24		Williams, Kyren LAR RB (R)
2.11	25		Woods, Jelani IND TE (R)
2.12	26		Ingram, Keaontay ARI RB (R)
2.13	27		Thornton, Tyquan NEP WR (R)
2.14	28		Ridder, Desmond ATL QB (R)