give me the picks if that 2017 1st is high12 team league.
Team A gave: Demaryius Thomas, Matt Forte, Ryan Tannehill
Team B gave: 1.03, 2017 1st rounder
B team is not very strong so 2017 pick will probably be high.
I think I like the Cam side here. Mostly because I can't get behind this years rookie class.FFPC 12 team PPR
Russel Wilson and pick 12
for
Cam Newton
I just don't get your point. Langford >>>>> 2.2. Sure, he has questions marks - almost every back in the league has the possibility of RBBC hanging over them. Young back; a decent receiver for PPR; in-side track at the starting job. What is not to like?What does not matter if I agree or not? I did not call you a liar, if you say he's going that high I believe you, but I also know for a fact in the redraft leagues I'm in he's a 5th rounder and if I'm in a dynasty league with someone who spends a third or fourth round pick on him I just identified dead money. I don't place my value of a player on the value the low hanging fruit places on him.
Pretty close but Hyde/Sanders for me12 team PPR
Team A gave up:
Brown, John ARI WR
Year 2016 Draft Pick 1.07
Team B gave up:
Hyde, Carlos SFO RB
Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR
Freeman side12 team PPR
Team A gets: Thomas Rawls RB SEA, Breshad Perriman WR BAL; 2016 2nd round pick #9 , 2016 1st round pick #3, 2017 2nd round pickTeam B gets: Devonta Freeman RB ATL, Tevin Coleman RB ATL; 2017 1st round pick, 2016 1st round pick #12
I honestly don't know what that means.Well I am not a DT fan and don't acknowledge his value either since I disagree with it......
Freeman fan but give me the other side.12 team PPR
Team A gets: Thomas Rawls RB SEA, Breshad Perriman WR BAL; 2016 2nd round pick #9 , 2016 1st round pick #3, 2017 2nd round pickTeam B gets: Devonta Freeman RB ATL, Tevin Coleman RB ATL; 2017 1st round pick, 2016 1st round pick #12
I just don't get your point. Langford >>>>> 2.2. Sure, he has questions marks - almost every back in the league has the possibility of RBBC hanging over them. Young back; a decent receiver for PPR; in-side track at the starting job. What is not to like?
Who do you think is on the board at 2.2 in a 2016 rookie draft?I formulate my own opinions and I think he's heavily overrated based on is current situation and people confusing some decent fantasy games with good play.
And to answer your question specifically about what not to like. Was not huge on his talent coming in, thought it was solid backup material. Now I've seen him a year and he averaged half a yard per carry less and had a catch rate about 25% worse than Forte, who the Bears no longer wanted and who a lot of people here don't seem to thing has much left in tank. Even if no comping him to Forte his 3.6 YPC and catch rate around 50% did little to change my initial opinion of what I thought about him coming in. Since the season we know they offered CJ Anderson the most money, per him anyway, and reports are they prefer a RBBC system.
You reference PPR and like I said his catch rate was pretty terrible. Yes he's young but so is a RB or any player available at 2.2.
I can understand why some people value Langford over 2.2, it's about personal opinion and for me it's close but I'd rather have 2.2. I think third or fourth round startup prices are out of whack and I'm more or less surprised it's a big deal to people I prefer the 2.2 over him and like I said I think it goes back to people overvaluing his current situation and fact he had some decent fantasy games.
I see Langford as less than Alfred Morris a year ago. What is his value today. Not 2.2. Things change at Rb quickly. Personally I still like Kadeem Carey as much as Langford but 1/3 the cost.I guess I like the deal since I don't view the 2.2 over Langford. In a startup dynasty draft ive seen Langford go anywhere from mid 3rd to late 4th so he has a lot more value then the 2.2
Agree fair value but I like Brown and the pick.Pretty close but Hyde/Sanders for me
Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking it was hasty to do these moves and it's nice to hear someone confirm that. I really wanted these guys and I probably should have been more patient.smoke monster said:As much as I like trading depth to upgrade to a top tier player, I'm not feeling these moves...
You could end up with a massive drop off at RB from Miller to whoever you start now. You then how to go out and overpay for a TE who is probably also a downgrade.
And I'd take the 2 2017 1st rounders alone for Brown, Bell, and Allen. Either of those picks could land you someone worth more than 3 guys. Why go and ditch your 2 1st rounders for Brown when you already just payed massively for another WR. Save something for the future.
1. 3.6 YPCI just don't get your point. Langford >>>>> 2.2. Sure, he has questions marks - almost every back in the league has the possibility of RBBC hanging over them. Young back; a decent receiver for PPR; in-side track at the starting job. What is not to like?
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Unless they really cash in that pick, team B got taken.Pretty close but Hyde/Sanders for me
If they cash in on the pick, big advantage to team B.petekrum said:Unless they really cash in that pick, team B got taken.
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/forum/12-the-assistant-coach/Currently have had back and forth negotiations over Sammie Coates with an owner. He offered M. Wallace, Tre Mason (I have Gurley), and 2.2, I counter offered with 4.10, 7.3, and Coates for '16 2.2, '18 2nd rounder, and '18 7th rounder, and now he's countered with:
'16 2.2 and '16 4.2.
What do you guys think of that? On the one hand, it could be a really bad trade if Coates is the #2 and definitively produces, otoh, I like Coates upside, but consider him very high risk, and would like some more ammo to swing deals.
Uuuummm, don't forget about Heyward-bey.Currently have had back and forth negotiations over Sammie Coates with an owner. He offered M. Wallace, Tre Mason (I have Gurley), and 2.2, I counter offered with 4.10, 7.3, and Coates for '16 2.2, '18 2nd rounder, and '18 7th rounder, and now he's countered with:
'16 2.2 and '16 4.2.
What do you guys think of that? On the one hand, it could be a really bad trade if Coates is the #2 and definitively produces, otoh, I like Coates upside, but consider him very high risk, and would like some more ammo to swing deals.
Any opinions? Still new to dynasty and worried I'm sacrificing talent to target positions of need.I traded Michael Floyd & 1.06 for Thomas Rawls & 1.10. I might be overpaying a bit on this one and the Reed for Hill deal, but my RBs were absolute crap.
Yeah I'd have been a little hesitant to make a deal like that. Rawls did very well in place of Lynch, but so did Michael after Rawls went down. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where Rawls does not lead the Seahawks in rushing this upcoming season (although admittedly he's the favorite right now).Any opinions? Still new to dynasty and worried I'm sacrificing talent to target positions of need.
Yes, next year is deep and better than this class in every position and it's not even close. There will be 1st round talent in the 2nd round.So I made a boo boo....
I thought I offered the 9 and 14 rookie picks this year in a 10 team dynasty for the 1st round pick of this past year's last place team (who doesn't have a whole lot of hope of vast improvement). My thought is that it will be a top 4 pick, and I'd be very happy with that. The team who owned the pick, though, was the champ this past year....and in making the offer in a rush, I mistakenly selected his first round pick, and not the other one he owned (which was the last place team this past year). I didn't realize it till he accepted it and I got a automated e-mail about it.
If that pick ends up being top 7 next year, would it still be ok? Is next year's draft going to be a substantially better than this years?
Good lord. Lewis side in a heartbeat.Just went down in an FFPC League:
WR DeVante Parker
2017 2nd (late)
for
RB Dion Lewis
2016: 1.4
2016: 1.6
apparently the owner turned down 1.2 and 2.4 this season for Parker.
It could still end up being an ok trade, but why rush a trade in the middle of March?So I made a boo boo....
I thought I offered the 9 and 14 rookie picks this year in a 10 team dynasty for the 1st round pick of this past year's last place team (who doesn't have a whole lot of hope of vast improvement). My thought is that it will be a top 4 pick, and I'd be very happy with that. The team who owned the pick, though, was the champ this past year....and in making the offer in a rush, I mistakenly selected his first round pick, and not the other one he owned (which was the last place team this past year). I didn't realize it till he accepted it and I got a automated e-mail about it.
If that pick ends up being top 7 next year, would it still be ok? Is next year's draft going to be a substantially better than this years?
The commish (and the other team) understood that I mistakenly selected the wrong first round pick in 2017 for the offer - so it never went though.It could still end up being an ok trade, but why rush a trade in the middle of March?
Condemning a couple leagues due to one trade you don't care for? Pretty judgmental, wouldn't you say?Not saying much for the leagues cause that is one of the worst trades i have seen in a while.
When did Parker turn into Randy Moss? Lews is probably worth a rookie 1st in his own right. If I'm giving up three firsts for one player I'd better be getting a transcendant talent in return.Just went down in an FFPC League:
WR DeVante Parker
2017 2nd (late)
for
RB Dion Lewis
2016: 1.4
2016: 1.6
apparently the owner turned down 1.2 and 2.4 this season for Parker.
I like Green and Bryant side. I guess the other side is a good haul for rebuilder IF said team is giving up on Dez. I expect Dez to bounce back to another couple years of good WR1 production though, so would have held out for more or tried to deal him and Green separately.12 Team League, 0.5 PPR, QB RB RB WR WR TE FLEX
Team A Gave: Kevin White, Brandin Cooks, and 2017 1st (likely 1.08 to 1.12)
Team B Gave: A.J. Green and Dez Bryant
Yeah you can't be happy with the Parker side of that trade unless he's a top 5 WR within the next 2 years.When did Parker turn into Randy Moss? Lews is probably worth a rookie 1st in his own right. If I'm giving up three firsts for one player I'd better be getting a transcendant talent in return.
For that matter, I've seen Beckham and Julio deals in this thread that went for less...
That is Ghostguy's modus operandi. Criticize and be judgmental.Condemning a couple leagues due to one trade you don't care for? Pretty judgmental, wouldn't you say?
Just out of curiosity how do you know it is a late 2018 1st?smoke monster said:Here's my Parker deal again since I worded it wrong and someone got confused
Non-PPR superflex
give: Parker, T Benjamin, Mallet, late 2018 1st
get J Matthews, D Walker, McCarron, 2.9, early 2017 1st
(I have Dalton)
12 Team League, 0.5 PPR, QB RB RB WR WR TE FLEX
Team A Gave: Kevin White, Brandin Cooks, and 2017 1st (likely 1.08 to 1.12)
Team B Gave: A.J. Green and Dez Bryant
I will give you the truth. Top teams don't make deals like that in leagues with competent owners.That is Ghostguy's modus operandi. Criticize and be judgmental.
Other opinions please! lol12 team league.
Team A gave: Demaryius Thomas, Matt Forte, Ryan Tannehill
Team B gave: 1.03, 2017 1st rounder
B team is not very strong so 2017 pick will probably be high.
I'm one of those people and I'd still rather have Lewis/pick side of that deal.smoke monster said:He's a hot commodity since he came on at the end of the season and had that highlight reel leaping touchdown. To me he has some nice potential but also some red flags. I decided to sell recently as he is not a sure thing but some people have him as a top 10-20 overall dynasty WR.