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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (29 Viewers)

Not sure if these were posted on here but I seen a couple trades I can't really understand from a DFWC league from a couple months ago.  These are PPR leagues with 20 man rosters.

D-Freeman for Funchess and ASJ

AJ Green for 1.4 and L-Murray

 
Arodin said:
Woukd the people taking the Moncreif side feel different if the pick was described as 2.1?  Because that would usually be how the 15th pick of a 14-team draft would be described,..

I'd still take Moncreif.  Never been a Cooks fan.




 
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Regarding the 1.15, this league awards a bonus first-rounder to the toilet bowl winner. So the first round is 15 picks and the other rounds are 14. 

 
Dez said:
Not sure if these were posted on here but I seen a couple trades I can't really understand from a DFWC league from a couple months ago.  These are PPR leagues with 20 man rosters.

D-Freeman for Funchess and ASJ

AJ Green for 1.4 and L-Murray
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Freeman and Green

 
14 Team PPR Dynasty:  1 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-5 WR, 1-3 TE

Team A: Randall Cobb and TY Hilton

Team B: Jordan Matthews and 2017 1st

 
12 Team PPR start 2RB/3WR/TE/Flex

Gave: Tyler Lockett and Stephon Diggs

Got: Eddie Lacy and Larry Fitzgerald

Needed a RB badly, really only had Hyde. 

 
Spike said:
Zealots Field league.  PPR.

I gave up:
Kuechly, Luke CAR LB

The other owner gave up:
Lewis, Dion NEP RB
Martin, Doug TBB RB
Harbor, Clay NEP TE
Bowman, Navorro SFO LB

I was offered the deal.  :shrug:
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Clay Harbor on wrong side.  Then and only then would this be fair.

 
12 Team PPR (2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex)

Randall Cobb & Giovani Bernard 

for 

Keenan Allen & Ryan Mathews

 
I don't think Allen belongs in a different tier than Cobb.  What has he done that Cobb hasn't?   He had a nice half year last year before getting hurt.   In 8 games last year he had 725/4. In 14 games in 2014 he had 783/4.  That's 1508/8 in 22 games.   Two years ago Cobb had 1287/12 - about 2 more points in standard scoring than Allen had in his last two seasons combined.  

Allen just turned 24, and he clearly has upside.  But how much upside does he have over what Cobb has already done? And Cobb is just 25 himself, turning 26 in august.  

Put Cobb and Allen on the Browns and I'll take Allen.  But I get Cobb on the Packers playing with Rodgers.  I can see putting Allen higher in the same tier but putting him a tier up is too much for me. And I have Gio a clear tier up from Mathews.

 
menobrown said:
If the 2.7 was on the other side I'd still say no if I had 1.1 and yes if I was dealing DT. 

Terrible overpay for DT.
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His trade market is soft but I wouldn't go this far. He's still being drafted in the same vicinity as the 1.1 and should have several years as borderline WR1 production left. 

 
bostonfred said:
I don't think Allen belongs in a different tier than Cobb.  What has he done that Cobb hasn't?   He had a nice half year last year before getting hurt.   In 8 games last year he had 725/4. In 14 games in 2014 he had 783/4.  That's 1508/8 in 22 games.   Two years ago Cobb had 1287/12 - about 2 more points in standard scoring than Allen had in his last two seasons combined.  

Allen just turned 24, and he clearly has upside.  But how much upside does he have over what Cobb has already done? And Cobb is just 25 himself, turning 26 in august.  

Put Cobb and Allen on the Browns and I'll take Allen.  But I get Cobb on the Packers playing with Rodgers.  I can see putting Allen higher in the same tier but putting him a tier up is too much for me. And I have Gio a clear tier up from Mathews.
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I think the main thing is that he's done more to prove he can operate as a true #1 WR whereas Cobb failed his chance at that pretty miserably.  That not only gives him higher upside, but it puts a lot less dependency on everyone around him staying healthy.  Cobb doesn't just get derailed by a Cobb injury.  He gets derailed by a Rodgers injury, or even a Jordy injury.  Or even some kind of team shake-up that puts more pressure on him.  Down the road (Cobb is signed for 3 years so we probably don't have to worry about it for a while) any team change is much less scary for Allen as well.

I think it's also not to be ignored that Allen's disappointing season was 2 years ago and he was playing well last year, whereas for Cobb it was the opposite and his last good season was further away.

 
jeaton6 said:
His trade market is soft but I wouldn't go this far. He's still being drafted in the same vicinity as the 1.1 and should have several years as borderline WR1 production left. 
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Multiple wrongs don't make it right but in leagues I'm in their value is not close.

 
menobrown said:
Multiple wrongs don't make it right but in leagues I'm in their value is not close.
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So the consensus is wrong and you're right? I see.

In most of my leagues I'm certain I could get 1.1 relatively easily if it's held by a contender. All depends on the state of the team holding the 1.1 and what they're trying to achieve. Obviously if the 1.1 is held by the team who earned it then this is much less likely to happen. 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I think the main thing is that he's done more to prove he can operate as a true #1 WR whereas Cobb failed his chance at that pretty miserably.  That not only gives him higher upside, but it puts a lot less dependency on everyone around him staying healthy.  Cobb doesn't just get derailed by a Cobb injury.  He gets derailed by a Rodgers injury, or even a Jordy injury.  Or even some kind of team shake-up that puts more pressure on him.  Down the road (Cobb is signed for 3 years so we probably don't have to worry about it for a while) any team change is much less scary for Allen as well.

I think it's also not to be ignored that Allen's disappointing season was 2 years ago and he was playing well last year, whereas for Cobb it was the opposite and his last good season was further away.
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I don't think Cobb failed, I think he was playing with a bad shoulder and that's a different ballgame entirely. So on that note I don't think he gets derailed in the least by an injury to Jordy.

You referenced Allen's disappointing season yet it seems like you are ignoring it when you say Allen can operate as a true #1 while Cobb failed miserably. Allen failed horribly that year and I don't think had an injury excuse like Cobb. Allen caught a lot of passes per game last , but it was an 8 game stretch where he got heavily targeted and had a pretty poor YPC, pretty similar to Cobb's last season and no debating Cobb was terrible last year.

Yes Cobb would get derailed if Rodgers got hurt I sure hope you don't think Allen would carry on like business as usual if Rivers was out.

I don't own any of them in any league so no horse in this race but to me they absolutely are on the same tier.

 
menobrown said:
Multiple wrongs don't make it right but in leagues I'm in their value is not close.
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Agree with this, in most leagues the 1.1 is very valuable right now, the Zeke love is crazy and DT value is at an all time low. I'm not saying it makes complete sense but if you could get 1.1 for any guy around Zeke's ADP in dynasty startup you did well and as someone who bought and sold DT this offseason I can tell you the exact opposite is true of him. This is consistent in my 4 leagues anyway

 
jeaton6 said:
So the consensus is wrong and you're right? I see.

In most of my leagues I'm certain I could get 1.1 relatively easily if it's held by a contender. All depends on the state of the team holding the 1.1 and what they're trying to achieve. Obviously if the 1.1 is held by the team who earned it then this is much less likely to happen. 
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Whoa, you need to slow it down and go back a bit to what you wrote.

You sir, not me, YOU, are the one who shot down MY opinion and cited the consensus ADP.

You got a lot of nerve coming at me with this consensus crap after that.

 
So why is DT's value so low. I don't quite get it. 2 years ago he was the number 2 WR in PPR. last year he was the number 9 WR and he had a bad year with a QB who couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards. He's been a top 10 WR the last 4 years.

i get that the QB situation is unknown, but Peyton was really bad last year and almost anything would be an improvement. So why no love?

 
kutta said:
So why is DT's value so low. I don't quite get it. 2 years ago he was the number 2 WR in PPR. last year he was the number 9 WR and he had a bad year with a QB who couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards. He's been a top 10 WR the last 4 years.

i get that the QB situation is unknown, but Peyton was really bad last year and almost anything would be an improvement. So why no love?
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age and situation I guess, I'm not saying it is right but have you tried to trade him? Very hard to find an interested owner this offseason

 
Aunt Jemima said:
age and situation I guess, I'm not saying it is right but have you tried to trade him? Very hard to find an interested owner this offseason
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Yeah it's not just the situation, he's hit that age where he's no longer the sexy new thing and his perceived value will only dwindle for the rest of his career.

We saw this first with RBs.  No one even mentioned LT's age when ranking him as the #1 dynasty RB at 28/29.  Then all of the sudden 29 year old RBs were old.  Then a few years later 28 year olds were considered ancient.  Now you've pretty much got to be 24 and fresh to have any value.

Now it's WR's turn.  AJ was the hot young thing as the #1 dynasty WR at 28.  A few years later, a 28 year old stud is just that guy that's more than half a decade older than that 22 year old stud over there.  We've probably got about 3 years until Sammy Watkins is considered damaged goods next to that 21 year old guy that just put up 55% as many fantasy points as him.

It's just the nature of things.  I suppose the shark play would be to buy these guys up.  Imagine just two years ago having Dez, Demaryius, and AJ Green as your starting WR trio.  Now, that's actually fairly attainable and most people aren't even interested.  Why would you want a somewhat young guy that just put up four consecutive 100 catch, 1300+ yard seasons when you could instead have a really young guy that just squeaked out his first 1000 yard season?

I mock the idea, but will readily admit that I am just as susceptible to it as everyone else.  I want Elliot.  And Watkins.  And Cooper.  It's human nature I guess.  Two years later, that shiny new toy is just the boring reliable veteran.  But look, there's a new shiny toy over there.  I want it.

If you can fight the cool new thing perception there is value to be had.  It's a tough battle to win for many of us, though.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Yeah it's not just the situation, he's hit that age where he's no longer the sexy new thing and his perceived value will only dwindle for the rest of his career.

We saw this first with RBs.  No one even mentioned LT's age when ranking him as the #1 dynasty RB at 28/29.  Then all of the sudden 29 year old RBs were old.  Then a few years later 28 year olds were considered ancient.  Now you've pretty much got to be 24 and fresh to have any value.

Now it's WR's turn.  AJ was the hot young thing as the #1 dynasty WR at 28.  A few years later, a 28 year old stud is just that guy that's more than half a decade older than that 22 year old stud over there.  We've probably got about 3 years until Sammy Watkins is considered damaged goods next to that 21 year old guy that just put up 55% as many fantasy points as him.

It's just the nature of things.  I suppose the shark play would be to buy these guys up.  Imagine just two years ago having Dez, Demaryius, and AJ Green as your starting WR trio.  Now, that's actually fairly attainable and most people aren't even interested.  Why would you want a somewhat young guy that just put up four consecutive 100 catch, 1300+ yard seasons when you could instead have a really young guy that just squeaked out his first 1000 yard season?

I mock the idea, but will readily admit that I am just as susceptible to it as everyone else.  I want Elliot.  And Watkins.  And Cooper.  It's human nature I guess.  Two years later, that shiny new toy is just the boring reliable veteran.  But look, there's a new shiny toy over there.  I want it.

If you can fight the cool new thing perception there is value to be had.  It's a tough battle to win for many of us, though.
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I totally agree with this. And I'm all good with getting those proven guys in the middle of their career and piecing together a really strong team. The good thing is, there is always someone else coming up that you can trade for. Like you say, in a couple years you'll be able to get Hopkins and Evans and still get some great years out of them. Heck, 2 years ago, DT was the number 2 WR and Jordy was the number 3 WR. Now those guys are usually ranked in the late teens and early 20's for dynasty WRs. Sure, you're not going to get 10 good years out of them, but you can easily get 2-3 good years and then do the same thing all over again with similar guys.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Yeah it's not just the situation, he's hit that age where he's no longer the sexy new thing and his perceived value will only dwindle for the rest of his career.

We saw this first with RBs.  No one even mentioned LT's age when ranking him as the #1 dynasty RB at 28/29.  Then all of the sudden 29 year old RBs were old.  Then a few years later 28 year olds were considered ancient.  Now you've pretty much got to be 24 and fresh to have any value.

Now it's WR's turn.  AJ was the hot young thing as the #1 dynasty WR at 28.  A few years later, a 28 year old stud is just that guy that's more than half a decade older than that 22 year old stud over there.  We've probably got about 3 years until Sammy Watkins is considered damaged goods next to that 21 year old guy that just put up 55% as many fantasy points as him.

It's just the nature of things.  I suppose the shark play would be to buy these guys up.  Imagine just two years ago having Dez, Demaryius, and AJ Green as your starting WR trio.  Now, that's actually fairly attainable and most people aren't even interested.  Why would you want a somewhat young guy that just put up four consecutive 100 catch, 1300+ yard seasons when you could instead have a really young guy that just squeaked out his first 1000 yard season?

I mock the idea, but will readily admit that I am just as susceptible to it as everyone else.  I want Elliot.  And Watkins.  And Cooper.  It's human nature I guess.  Two years later, that shiny new toy is just the boring reliable veteran.  But look, there's a new shiny toy over there.  I want it.

If you can fight the cool new thing perception there is value to be had.  It's a tough battle to win for many of us, though.
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The reigning champ in our league, has done two trades with me this offseason.  In short I gave him

RG3, Freeman, Coleman, Evans, and Bortles (Superflex)

I got back Rodgers, ADP, McKinnon, Antonio Brown, and Kirk Cousins.  

He has the shiny toys now, I think I've got a lot more points for at least the next two seasons.  

 
menobrown said:
Whoa, you need to slow it down and go back a bit to what you wrote.

You sir, not me, YOU, are the one who shot down MY opinion and cited the consensus ADP.

You got a lot of nerve coming at me with this consensus crap after that.
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Well aware of what I wrote. Yes cited consensus (i.e. the alleged multiple wrongs) as a datapoint point that the value isn't TERRIBLE as you indicate. 

A lot of nerve..lmfao. Are we talking football or is this gossip girls? Sensitive much? JC.

 
12 team PPR

Couple recent ones that just went down in different leagues:

1.2, 2.2, 2017 3 for 1.5, 2.5, 2017 1

1.4 for 1.5, 3.5

 
Zealots Field.  PPR league.  Start 1QB/1-3RB/2-5WR/1-4TE

I was offered:
Year 2016 Draft Pick 3.02
Year 2017 Round 1 Draft Pick from Indianapolis Colts

I gave up:
Gore, Frank IND RB
Martin, Doug TBB RB
Year 2017 Round 5 Draft Pick from New England Patriots

(Yes, I accepted this.)

The other team has had the 1.02 pick 2 years in a row and could very well do it again.  Other than (now) Gore and Martin, he only has Duke Johnson and Justin Forsett at RB.

This leaves me with Matt Forte and Dion Lewis (and others) at RB and 3 2017 1st round rookie picks.

I did this deal as a flip of Martin after I got him two days ago. (Getting Martin/Dion Lewis/Clay Harbor/Navorro Bowman for Luke Kuchely.)

 
kutta said:
I totally agree with this. And I'm all good with getting those proven guys in the middle of their career and piecing together a really strong team. The good thing is, there is always someone else coming up that you can trade for. Like you say, in a couple years you'll be able to get Hopkins and Evans and still get some great years out of them. Heck, 2 years ago, DT was the number 2 WR and Jordy was the number 3 WR. Now those guys are usually ranked in the late teens and early 20's for dynasty WRs. Sure, you're not going to get 10 good years out of them, but you can easily get 2-3 good years and then do the same thing all over again with similar guys.
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But how are you going to get those "similar guys" in 2-3 years?  You'll have to trade for them if you don't already have them.  Maybe trade a 1st - above the guy traded the #1 overall to get DT, that's a big price tag.  Then you'll have to do it all over again when that guy slows down.  Why do all that when you could just get a Cooper or Watkins or Evans or Hopkins or Cooks or A Rob or (fill in the blank with the young WR you like)?  If I have that young guy now, I won't have to give up something in 2-3 years all over again to replace my aging DT or Jordy.

Just my $.02.

 
Sabertooth said:
The reigning champ in our league, has done two trades with me this offseason.  In short I gave him

RG3, Freeman, Coleman, Evans, and Bortles (Superflex)

I got back Rodgers, ADP, McKinnon, Antonio Brown, and Kirk Cousins.  

He has the shiny toys now, I think I've got a lot more points for at least the next two seasons.  
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I like his side, and his thinking.  He won the title, thinks he likely doesn't have the pieces to do it again - and rebuilds for a run in maybe as short as 2 years. 

 
Same league, PPR

Traded charles and 2.11 for Gio and 1.08.

Traded demarco Murray for 2017 1st and 3rd - probably later ones.

Decided to start a rebuild in a league where my WRs (Calvin, DT, Gordon and Marshall) went down quick from 2 years ago.  RBs getting older too.  Instead of trying one last run I'll use the theory that it's better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late.  Traded Marshall earlier. Now I need to move DT.

 
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