jtd13
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Sammy and Dalvin for me, but I can't see myself trading OBJ for any less than that.
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Aunt Jemima
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right now give me OBJ, may change my mind after seeing the landing spot for Cook but I couldn't sell OBJ for this quite yet
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Not a Hopkins believer for reasons listed previously in this thread.
I'll take Cook.
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To be honest, I haven't really had to think about it. That's one of the side benefits of playing almost only auction leagues. I'm never under the gun at like 1.10 trying to figure out which guy I dislike the least around that ADP to take when I'd rather have two players, each valued at about 50% of that pick.
So my thinking isn't usually "who am I taking over him?" but rather "what could I get instead of him?" For example, in a dynasty startup or redraft, I bet I could get Dixon and Crowell for less than Freeman - I'm just guessing but we're probably talking 12% of budget vs. 5% and 5%. Crowell finished RB14 last year to Freeman's RB6, but I expect Cleveland to get better (can't get worse, right?) while I expect Atlanta to regress (Ryan isn't throwing for over 9 YPA next year and I doubt Freeman is at 4.8 YPC). Their workloads last year were pretty damn similar 198c, 53t vs 227c, 65t. Dixon is a bit of an uncertainty right now, but he's got RB1 upside and he helps mitigate injury risk by giving me a second viable running back. Both guys are slightly younger than Freeman as an added benefit.
So given all the uncertainty outside the top 3 RBs, there isn't a single RB I'd be willing to drop 12%+ of my budget on. I'd always rather have a cheaper RB plus the extra auction dollars.
Ehh. Depends on team needs. I'm not a Graham fan and don't think he's got a lot of years left, so I'm all about taking what you can get now. At the same time, I'm also a fan of acquiring vets for draft picks. You maybe could've gotten more, but pick value is different in every league. The odds of hitting at 2.04 are not good, so if it was me I'd do my best to flip it for something. Given that you have Ertz, Graham was just going to be sitting on your bench anyway so you really shouldn't feel too bad about it.
jeaton6
Footballguy
1.3 for 1.8/1.11/1.12/2018 1 (late). I saw this on DLF and figured I'd post here because my view on this was not with consensus. The guy who got the 1.3 had the below squad and also has the 1.2.
Team 212 team 1 qb, 2rbs,v 3wrs, 1te Qbs- Cam,BridgewaterRbs-Gurley, Zeke, Forte,Gore,Lewis,M. Jones,J.Willams,K. MarshalWrs-A. Brown,Evans,Robinson,Jordy,TreadwellTe- Gronk,ASJ,Unicorn
Team 212 team 1 qb, 2rbs,v 3wrs, 1te Qbs- Cam,BridgewaterRbs-Gurley, Zeke, Forte,Gore,Lewis,M. Jones,J.Willams,K. MarshalWrs-A. Brown,Evans,Robinson,Jordy,TreadwellTe- Gronk,ASJ,Unicorn
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Seems like a lot of firsts for the 1.03. Sure they are all late, but it seems like you could use 1.08 and 2018 1st to move back up if you wanted and still have a couple 1sts.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I don't mind it based purely on them having a very strong team, but as others have mentioned that's an overpay for 1.03 (kind of like what I did ha). But he's strong enough to still be a contender and get 2 very solid prospects at the 2/3 spots. It doesn't ruin his team.
Four first sounds like a lot when it's phrased that way but 2-3 of these picks could end up in 11/12 round range, not exactly primo. Maybe a slight overpay but in light of the team I don't have a problem with the trade. I don't think I'd have done it, but don't see it as lopsided as most.
Considering how late these picks are and project I would say there are a few players I'd give this up to get.
I totally agree, but if your team is stacked or you play in a league with small-ish rosters, burning roster spots with rookies could be an issue. Typically, guys drafted in the 2nd half of the first round don't contribute enough to be fantasy startable in their first year. With three of them, I'd guess odds are that one of them will, but you're still probably burning 2 spots this year on non-contributors.
I don't own Gabriel but on majority of my FFPC teams I'd have other players I'm cutting I'd rather keep than Gabriel, got like one team I'd mull over keeping him so for sure borderline roster guy in this format.
If whoever paid 3.1 likes him it's fine, but I think if he got cut he'd be be available to redraft at 3.1 so I'd not give up a late shot and valuable roster spot on top of the 3.1 to secure him now.
Hankmoody
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I agree with this, and have a couple of teams like this, but would rather trade those later picks for 2018 than overpay like this. Future picks are like little value batteries, they never lose their charge and who knows, maybe you get a top 5 pick out of it. Not a big enough tier jump from 1.08 to 1.03 for me.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
There's an awful lot you can do with late firsts, like trade them for 2018 1sts. And if those are late 1sts, you try to flip it forward again until one pays off. Maybe you can't always find a trade partner but there can be more value to add here.
With a loaded roster and the 1.02, i could see offering 1.08/1.11/1.12 (probably not a slam dunk with all owners of 1.03) and being countered with the 2018 1st added.
I think this should be the preferred strategy.
I got a team, not as loaded as the team in this trade but deep and thin on roster spots and I also have pick 2 along with 6, 8 and 9. I got offered 1.1 for those picks a few days ago and declined mainly because I'd rather undertake the exact strategy you mentioned. Also see no reason to make such a move now, when you own a block of picks like I do, and like the team that made the trade, I just think it's best to sit on them unless you get knocked out with something. When rookie fever is in full impact, especially in a loaded looking draft, it's kind of nice to control a block as it limits the trade-up opportunites with the rest of the league, forces teams to shop at your store. And for clarification I would say owning 3 out 4 picks and 3 out of 5 picks constitutes a block of picks.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
1.01 would have me thinking, that's a much bigger comfort factor than 1.03.
I too have 1.06, 1.07, and 2.01 in one league, and if someone wanted all three for 1.01 I would counter with their 2018 first and I bet they would accept.
It was a good enough of an offer for me to give it thought for sure but other than wanting to preserve my trade chip assets, and without giving to much away, another deciding factor on my end was fact the team of mind is not as high on one of the players most project as top 2. So already owning 1.2 and acquiring 1.1 under those circumstances is likely only ideal if I though I could flip the pick for value and not sure I can do that right now.
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tjtehansky
Footballguy
12 tm ppr
Fournette/obj/ebron
For
Cook/cooper/fitz/eifert
Fournette/obj/ebron
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Cook/cooper/fitz/eifert
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gianmarco
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tjtehansky
Footballguy
Yes dalvin.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Cook and fournette are almost exactly equal. I can see reasonable people taking either of them 1.1
Efron vs eifert, again, almost identical. I would prefer eifert and I know other people would prefer ebron.
So this is obj for Cooper and Fitz. That doesn't seem like enough to move up in the first round but it's not terrible. I strongly prefer the obj side because I'm not as big on cooper as a lot of you guys but there are people who like him at dynasty 1.4 or so.
tjtehansky
Footballguy
Not trying to argue but I infinitely prefer cook to fournette. Same with eifert to ebron.
I agree with this except for Ebron vs. Eifert being almost identical.
Eifert >> Ebron.
Fournette = Cook
OBJ >> Cooper + Fitz
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I'm hoping that's Cook, as in Dalvin. If so it's a just a huge win for OBJ side rather than a train wreck.
People really need to realize we aren't mind readers and put full names in. Fitz could mean multiple guys here too.
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Footballguy
I can't overstate the gap between OBJ and Cooper to me. I think we're looking at an all-time talent in Beckham. The guy just put up 100/1,300/10 in a down year. At 24 YO, he's almost untradable to me. Cooper is a very good player, but I don't think he's likely to ever be the player Beckham was as a rookie without a camp.
EDIT: OVERstate
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bostonfred
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14 team non ppr qwwrftkd, higher than average defense scoring
1.13, San Fran d, Alfred blue
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2018 3rd, Demarco Murray, Bills D
Team getting Murray owns D Henry. Team getting 1.13 is turning over an aging roster.
1.13, San Fran d, Alfred blue
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2018 3rd, Demarco Murray, Bills D
Team getting Murray owns D Henry. Team getting 1.13 is turning over an aging roster.
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Footballguy
Ideally you get more for Murray, but if you're rebuilding, you have to take what you can get.
tjtehansky
Footballguy
I agree and do see a nice gap between them two. Must only be me but I don't consider fournette close to cook in talent. Eifert leagues above Ebron as well.
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ILUVBEER99
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Highly doubt Murray will bring in a mid-1st in this specific league, future 1st's are valued extremely highly if they have potential to be mid/high. That said it was a solid deal to get Murray for the 1.13.
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Footballguy
Would appreciate thoughts on this. Standard 12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
A gets: Kelce, 1.11
B gets: S. Shepard, 2018 1st (Likely in the 1.08-1.10 range, but you know how it goes)
A gets: Kelce, 1.11
B gets: S. Shepard, 2018 1st (Likely in the 1.08-1.10 range, but you know how it goes)
Andy Dufresne
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Perhaps not, but it doesn't hurt to ask. He said he was offered that though, which means the 1.01 owner has some level of interest in the extra picks, so that would be my initial counter. Rubber hits the road, would I do it if I felt like it was the best and final? I doubt it right now.
