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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (39 Viewers)

Wooters said:
Gave:  Corey Coleman, 2.02 and 3.11

Got:  1.05 and Kevin White

Not sure what to think of it. 
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Fair trade for both sides and it's a matter of preference as to which players you prefer more. I'd be happy with either as I like Coleman and McCaffery/Ross/??? about the same and at this point the picks for White seems about right.

 
I'm wondering why people are saying it's fair if White/Coleman are a coin flip or are close.  Because 1.05 vs. 2.02+3.11 is not close.

I probably prefer Coleman a little, but I prefer 1.05 to the other picks a LOT and White is more than close enough to make up that difference for me. 

 
buck naked said:
This one just crossed the wires. FFPC league - 12 teams.

Team A:   Amari Cooper

Team B:   Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Thomas Rawls, 2017 2.05.

Team A had tough decisions to make to get to 16 with the cutdown approaching, like what Aunt Jemima described above.
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Tough call, but knowing the league, I think both teams got better here. 

The owner getting Cooper is ready for a top 4 finish after building for the better part of the first 4 years of the league and was now stocked with value. He has a lot of value at WR but very little guaranteed production. Watkins, Diggs, K White, Doctson, so Cooper is his true long-term WR1 and he had enough question marks. 

The owner getting Keenan also appears ready for a playoff push, assuming Keenan matches Cooper in that 15-17 PPR PPG range, he gets a "free" WR3-4 in Matthews, and some additional upside darts. 

Personally, I was happy to see the deal go down, as the team getting Cooper lost some of the value he had amassed over the years. That said, I see it from his standpoint as Matthews/Rawls/2.5 aren't must haves. Good trade and I don't think Cooper was moving for anything less. 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I'm wondering why people are saying it's fair if White/Coleman are a coin flip or are close.  Because 1.05 vs. 2.02+3.11 is not close.

I probably prefer Coleman a little, but I prefer 1.05 to the other picks a LOT and White is more than close enough to make up that difference for me. 
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Because White/Coleman isn't a coin flip.

I see it as, roughly:

1.05 = Coleman

Kevin White = 2.2+3.11

 
Wooters said:
Gave:  Corey Coleman, 2.02 and 3.11

Got:  1.05 and Kevin White

Not sure what to think of it. 
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1.05 is the biggest piece to me so I take that side, but I'd either try to flip White or see if I can get something else in his spot of equivalent value.  Anything, just not Kevin White.  Devante Parker?  List 5 assets of similar value and I'm likely to take any of them.  I like the trade though, it's clearly a flavor value trade, and those type of owners are good for leagues.

 
Wooters said:
Gave:  Corey Coleman, 2.02 and 3.11

Got:  1.05 and Kevin White

Not sure what to think of it. 
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Give me the 1.5 & White. The jury is still out on White, but if healthy and with Jeffery gone who knows what he can do.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Zealots IDP NON-PPR 

Gave - Julio Jones

Got - 1.03 + Tyler Eifert

Jones isn't nearly the stud in NON-PPR as he is PPR leagues.
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I like the Julio side more because I don't know what I really have in Eifert in the leagues I own him in.  He has had one good year and a pile of injuries.  Is he elite?  Is he very good? Is he average? I just don't know.

 
ghostguy123 said:
And the guy you get at pick 3 is?
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Fair point. Of course it's a gamble. But I expect the guy at 1.3 (likely Cook, Williams, or Davis) to be an 8+ td guy,  yes.

But there's also reddish flags around Julio. I expect Hooper to get more play,  the WR2 is getting more attention, foot injuries portend bad things for WRs.

And I knew this would be a Bat Signal to you. ;)

 
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Warhogs said:
I like the Julio side more because I don't know what I really have in Eifert in the leagues I own him in.  He has had one good year and a pile of injuries.  Is he elite?  Is he very good? Is he average? I just don't know.
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He wasn't my optimal choice but he was the best the other guy had and I'm hoping now I can get something out of Olsen in trade.

 
Just happened in my PPR dynasty, seems one sided to me (but I have little faith in AP being a dynasty asset at 31) 

Landry and AP

for

Parker, Lockett, 1.10, Inman

 
CabinFever said:
Just happened in my PPR dynasty, seems one sided to me (but I have little faith in AP being a dynasty asset at 31) 

Landry and AP

for

Parker, Lockett, 1.10, Inman
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to me it doesn't seem as one sided as you probably do. Only player I have confidence in in the whole deal is Landry but because the other side has 1.10 and Parker who maybe could emerge once they lose Stills so give me that side but not by much

 
CabinFever said:
Just happened in my PPR dynasty, seems one sided to me (but I have little faith in AP being a dynasty asset at 31) 

Landry and AP

for

Parker, Lockett, 1.10, Inman
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definitely not awful but give me Parker, Lockett, and 1.10

 
Aunt Jemima said:
to me it doesn't seem as one sided as you probably do. Only player I have confidence in in the whole deal is Landry but because the other side has 1.10 and Parker who maybe could emerge once they lose Stills so give me that side but not by much
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I agree with this - plus Lockett was really coming on at the end of the year.  Hopefully, he can overcome what looked like a terrible injury.

I'm not sure AP is worth much of anything.  He'll be 32 in 3 weeks, was injured most of the year, looked bad when he did play (less than 2 yard/carry) and expensive.  He doesn't have a team now that the Vikings let him go.  AP likes to play in an I-formation with a lead blocker and most teams don't play that way anymore.  Best case, the Vikes re-sign him as I don't see a market or upside.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Zealots IDP NON-PPR 

Gave - Julio Jones

Got - 1.03 + Tyler Eifert

Jones isn't nearly the stud in NON-PPR as he is PPR leagues.
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Yeah, the 0PPR aspect deflates Julio's value while increasing Eifert's. Julio is cursed in the TD department like Andre Johnson was, plus he's got fickle ankles. I'm not sure he ages well. Eifert's had some injuries, too, but he's a bit younger. Say what you will about Dalton, but he knows how to use Eifert in the red zone.

I'm not as confident in 1.03 panning out, though, so it's a calculated risk based on one's value of 1.03 as well as the expected return of some draft capital in the now expendable Olsen. 

 
CabinFever said:
Just happened in my PPR dynasty, seems one sided to me (but I have little faith in AP being a dynasty asset at 31) 

Landry and AP

for

Parker, Lockett, 1.10, Inman
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Seems equitable to me.

A lot of people love Landry and he's for sure the #1 commodity in this trade but I'm not as high on him and therefore would prefer the Parker/Lockett/1.10 side.

 
CabinFever said:
Just happened in my PPR dynasty, seems one sided to me (but I have little faith in AP being a dynasty asset at 31) 

Landry and AP

for

Parker, Lockett, 1.10, Inman
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I'd pay this for Landry.  I'm not a Lockett fan, so he and AP cancel out for me.  Parker + 1.10 feels about right.  I'd also sell him for this, depending on the roster. 

 
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I don't think Landry and Shepard are close.  Shepard's target-to-TD ratio won't hold.  I think his ceiling is about what Landry is today.  As they're both 24, the sure thing is much more valuable to me.  

 
I'm not sure we know how much upside Shepard has. I can understand both sides of that trade...but I think I'd rather roll with Shepard and the 1.5 

 
Concept Coop said:
I don't think Landry and Shepard are close.  Shepard's target-to-TD ratio won't hold.  I think his ceiling is about what Landry is today.  As they're both 24, the sure thing is much more valuable to me.  
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Shepard is over a year younger than Landry so there's no way they're both 24. Landry's targets already started to fade last year and I expect that trend to continue with the addition of Julius Thomas and the expected progression of Carroo (and I guess Parker, but I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope there). One could say the loss of Stills might help Landry regain some targets, but let's be honest, those two players were never vying for the same targets. 

Shepard's rookie year was similar to Landry's. I'd take Shepard straight up over Landry right now, so the 1.5 for 1.9 swap is just bonus. I view Landry as a more valuable NFL player than fantasy. He's a gritty, slow slot WR who was the fortunate recipient of a lot of checkdowns a couple years ago. I see Shepard as more dynamic, even though he's also primarily a slot WR. Plus, Shepard is where he'll be for 3 more years. Landry's value is tied to Tannehill and he's only got 1 more year left with him. Not sure if Gase is going to want to bring him back.

 
FF Ninja said:
Shepard is over a year younger than Landry so there's no way they're both 24. Landry's targets already started to fade last year and I expect that trend to continue with the addition of Julius Thomas and the expected progression of Carroo (and I guess Parker, but I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope there). One could say the loss of Stills might help Landry regain some targets, but let's be honest, those two players were never vying for the same targets. 

Shepard's rookie year was similar to Landry's. I'd take Shepard straight up over Landry right now, so the 1.5 for 1.9 swap is just bonus. I view Landry as a more valuable NFL player than fantasy. He's a gritty, slow slot WR who was the fortunate recipient of a lot of checkdowns a couple years ago. I see Shepard as more dynamic, even though he's also primarily a slot WR. Plus, Shepard is where he'll be for 3 more years. Landry's value is tied to Tannehill and he's only got 1 more year left with him. Not sure if Gase is going to want to bring him back.
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Nope

Landry produced 20 more catches, 160 more yards, and 3 more TD's (5 vs. 2) on just 7 more targets as a rookie; I don't call that similar, that's a 33% catch volume difference.  Landry also took a massive leap his 2nd year and maintained the yardage again in year 3 while still posting a hefty 94 catches.  Where is that coming from for Shepard?  From OBJ?  NYG isn't done adding targets either, so it's not like Shepard is in the clear for 150 targets.

It's Landry by a mile for me.

 
FF Ninja said:
Martin is only 28 and Wallace has at least 1-2 years left. Seems like a pretty cheap purchase for 2017 stop gap players.
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That one I agree with, although I could see the other side if I were a rebuilding team and wanted to set up for longer term.

 
Hankmoody said:
Nope

Landry produced 20 more catches, 160 more yards, and 3 more TD's (5 vs. 2) on just 7 more targets as a rookie; I don't call that similar, that's a 33% catch volume difference.  Landry also took a massive leap his 2nd year and maintained the yardage again in year 3 while still posting a hefty 94 catches.  Where is that coming from for Shepard?  From OBJ?  NYG isn't done adding targets either, so it's not like Shepard is in the clear for 150 targets.

It's Landry by a mile for me.
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Nope. You smoking crack, man. Where did you get those numbers??

Here are their exact stat lines:

112-84-758-5

105-65-683-8

If you add in Shepard's 35 yard rushing advantage then Landry yielded only 40 more yards and 3 fewer TDs. To me, that's pretty similar.

Landry will always be a low YPR guy. I at least have hope that Shepard can eclipse 13 YPR in the right situation. I think they will both be ~120 target guys in 2017. I'll take the guy who scores TDs and can run faster than a jog pace.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jarvis-landry/

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/sterling-shepard/

FWIW, FBG lists Shepard's birthday incorrectly by 1 year. I guess I should've cross checked them with another website. My bad.

 
FF Ninja said:
FBG lists him incorrectly, I think. Google says he was born in 1993. FBG says 1994.  :loco:
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I had no idea, thanks for the clarification. They did this before with Trent Richardson as well, but in his case listed him a year younger than actual. I mean the dynasty content on this site leaves a lot to be desired but this is beyond poor.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Zealots IDP NON-PPR 

Gave - Julio Jones

Got - 1.03 + Tyler Eifert

Jones isn't nearly the stud in NON-PPR as he is PPR leagues.
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I'd gladly pay that for Julio. I'm not sold on Eifert he is too boom or bust for my liking. 

 
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