Talk about using hindsight. It is still a bad trade. Value is value, he could have taken Keith Marshall, Carroo, Michtell and many other with those picks.Dez said:Last year everyone thought that the top 4 picks were the cream of the crop. Last year this trade might have netted the guy with 1.3 Treadwell meanwhile the guy with 1.9, 2.06 and 2.10 might have landed Michael Thomas at 9 and Howard with one of those 2nds and then what ?
You really just never know. Thomas went pick 9 or 10 in multiple of my rookie drafts last year.
GronkHankmoody said:16 team IDP graded PPR - .5 .75 1.25
Team A got Gronkowski
Team B got Kyle Rudolph, 1.08, 1.15
I was the team receiving the 1.03. I feel it was strong value but a bonus was that I was able to consolidate picks with a fairly packed roster and would not want to drop 3 players for space (now just need to drop 1).Talk about using hindsight. It is still a bad trade. Value is value, he could have taken Keith Marshall, Carroo, Michtell and many other with those picks.
Borden said:Carlos Hyde and pick 4.04
for
2018 1st and 2018 2nd
Edit: I am not either of these teams.
Would need to know pick projects to be able to decide which side of this I'd want but Hyde's issue is health more than coaching or surrounding cast.kutta said:I think I'd take Hyde, unless the pick was pretty early, I want to give Hyde one more chance in a decent offense with a good coach to see what he can do.
I take Higbee if I need a TE, otherwise the pick.mcintyre1 said:2.06
For
Tyler Higbee
He had two 100 yard games without Brady and in Brady's first game back he went for 3 TD's in a game he suffered a high ankle sprain. He needed to take a few weeks off but gutted it out but just never was able to move the same the rest of the season. This is a case where just looking at a stat sheet is not telling an accurate story.jeaton6 said:If, if, if...Bennett had his chance with Gronk out. What did he put up in a very TE friendly offense when Gronk was out? 22/303/4 in 8 games on a whopping 32 targets. 1 game was 5/114/1. He was much better when he had Gronk opening the field up for him. When he had to be the guy, he didn't deliver. But, but, but..,.he had to stay in and block more..right?
yep, and the top picks in last years class were extremely weak outside of 1.01. The top 10 RB's/WR's/TE's in 2016 were drafted 4/15/21/22/23/35/40/45/47/55.Talk about using hindsight. It is still a bad trade. Value is value, he could have taken Keith Marshall, Carroo, Michtell and many other with those picks.
So what's the accurate story? That's he's a top 5 talent and the only thing that hindered him was his injury this past year? The reality is this is team number 5 in 7 years. If he was this great talent and producer then teams would put up with whatever negative energy he might bring to the table for more than a year. However, 2 of last 3 now have been fine with him walking after 1 year. He's delivered one top 5 TE fantasy season in 9 years. 5 as a starter. He's a solid but unspectacular talent at TE.He had two 100 yard games without Brady and in Brady's first game back he went for 3 TD's in a game he suffered a high ankle sprain. He needed to take a few weeks off but gutted it out but just never was able to move the same the rest of the season. This is a case where just looking at a stat sheet is not telling an accurate story.
Hill12tm idp ppr
1.11, Ty.Hill, Edelman
For
1.06, Jeremy Hill
Give me 1.11 and Tyreek12tm idp ppr
1.11, Ty.Hill, Edelman
For
1.06, Jeremy Hill
I don't get it eitherI'm actually shocked to see so many Jerrick McKinnon trades, he just isn't good. He had his chances and failed to impress and beat out Asiata. He couldn't beat out Asiata... let that sink in for a minute. I get the sellers point of dumping him and getting what you can, but I don't see how people could be buying. The Vikings are very likely to draft a RB, they got Lat Murray to handle most of the workload and what I'd imagine 99% of people expect them to draft a rookie to ease them in and possibly take over so why are people buying McKinnon?
TE premium I give 1.2 for Kelce, give me 2.8/1st/2nd over Ebron.12 team PPR TE premium QRRWWTFFDK
Team A gave : Travis Kelce, Ladarius Green, 2.08, 2018 1st (late), 2018 2nd (early)
Team B gave : Thomas Rawls, Eric Ebron, AJ Derby,1.02
Easily GronkHankmoody said:16 team IDP graded PPR - .5 .75 1.25
Team A got Gronkowski
Team B got Kyle Rudolph, 1.08, 1.15
Standard 1 PPR I would go with the pick. TE premium I would go with Higbeemcintyre1 said:2.06
For
Tyler Higbee
Hill/1.612tm idp ppr
1.11, Ty.Hill, Edelman
For
1.06, Jeremy Hill
I'm surprised at all the strong Gronkowski preferences. Is no one accounting for the risk of his injuries, in particular a back? This isn't my trade I was counseling a Gronkwoski owner that was looking to get out and I thought this was a pretty solid exit price. It's a hella deep TE draft to take a shot at a successor with 1.08 and 1.15 and Rudolph should be a servicable starter at minimum during all those games Gronkowski misses. If he's healthy all year then sure it's probably a landslide for Team A but the core question with him now isn't how much he's going to score, it's how much is he going to be available for you?Hankmoody said:16 team IDP graded PPR - .5 .75 1.25
Team A got Gronkowski
Team B got Kyle Rudolph, 1.08, 1.15
That he was doing well statistically last season until he got hurt his ankle. Everything else is just speculation and hot air.So what's the accurate story? That's he's a top 5 talent and the only thing that hindered him was his injury this past year? The reality is this is team number 5 in 7 years. If he was this great talent and producer then teams would put up with whatever negative energy he might bring to the table for more than a year. However, 2 of last 3 now have been fine with him walking after 1 year. He's delivered one top 5 TE fantasy season in 9 years. 5 as a starter. He's a solid but unspectacular talent at TE.
He averaged 13.9 in PPR (with 28 catches) over the last 5 games in 2016. He/they seemed to find his niche at that point.....catching balls out of the backfield.I'm actually shocked to see so many Jerrick McKinnon trades, he just isn't good. He had his chances and failed to impress and beat out Asiata. He couldn't beat out Asiata... let that sink in for a minute. I get the sellers point of dumping him and getting what you can, but I don't see how people could be buying. The Vikings are very likely to draft a RB, they got Lat Murray to handle most of the workload and what I'd imagine 99% of people expect them to draft a rookie to ease them in and possibly take over so why are people buying McKinnon?
agree on McKinnon but also I haven't seen any trades on here where anyone got real value for him here, just guys like Gillislee or Mitchell who are also gambles on having any value. Mckinnon is in a contract year and is working out with AP this offseason so their is a little hype I guess but I agree with you, he is a great athlete who is never going to make the full transition from QB to RB as he is just missing the vision/instincts, I think he has had his chance.I'm actually shocked to see so many Jerrick McKinnon trades, he just isn't good. He had his chances and failed to impress and beat out Asiata. He couldn't beat out Asiata... let that sink in for a minute. I get the sellers point of dumping him and getting what you can, but I don't see how people could be buying. The Vikings are very likely to draft a RB, they got Lat Murray to handle most of the workload and what I'd imagine 99% of people expect them to draft a rookie to ease them in and possibly take over so why are people buying McKinnon?
I like competitive advantages, and am willing to accept the risk in Gronk to have that advantage when he is in the lineup. When he isn't in the lineup, I can start my TE2.I'm surprised at all the strong Gronkowski preferences. Is no one accounting for the risk of his injuries, in particular a back? This isn't my trade I was counseling a Gronkwoski owner that was looking to get out and I thought this was a pretty solid exit price. It's a hella deep TE draft to take a shot at a successor with 1.08 and 1.15 and Rudolph should be a servicable starter at minimum during all those games Gronkowski misses. If he's healthy all year then sure it's probably a landslide for Team A but the core question with him now isn't how much he's going to score, it's how much is he going to be available for you?
That is pretty much 1.02 for 1.11 and Snead. Snead is probably worth a late 1st.12 team PPR TE premium QRRWWTFFDK
Team A gave 1.02, Sanu, Langford
Team B gave 1.11, Snead, Riddick
I'd take the 1.02 by a fair margin. Oh and Team A still holds the 1.01 by the way.
You do realize Rudolph is usually injured as well? So then you are hoping to get someone as good as Gronk, who has been the one of the top 3 fantasy tight ends of all time over his career, at 1.08 or 1.15?I'm surprised at all the strong Gronkowski preferences. Is no one accounting for the risk of his injuries, in particular a back? This isn't my trade I was counseling a Gronkwoski owner that was looking to get out and I thought this was a pretty solid exit price. It's a hella deep TE draft to take a shot at a successor with 1.08 and 1.15 and Rudolph should be a servicable starter at minimum during all those games Gronkowski misses. If he's healthy all year then sure it's probably a landslide for Team A but the core question with him now isn't how much he's going to score, it's how much is he going to be available for you?
1.212 team PPR TE premium QRRWWTFFDK
Team A gave 1.02, Sanu, Langford
Team B gave 1.11, Snead, Riddick
I'd take the 1.02 by a fair margin. Oh and Team A still holds the 1.01 by the way.
Well then I'd be throwing out offers for the 1.01 ASAP. That's poor value received in moving down from 1.02.barackdhouse said:12 team PPR TE premium QRRWWTFFDK
Team A gave 1.02, Sanu, Langford
Team B gave 1.11, Snead, Riddick
I'd take the 1.02 by a fair margin. Oh and Team A still holds the 1.01 by the way.
10 man Dynasty
Gave: Allen Hurns
Got: Brandin Cooks + 2.4 pick (can be used on a Devy player)
how is the pick on the Cooks' side?
What do you mean?
Most people value Cooks more that Hurns.
I was looking back at trades about this time last year and seen this one...while many trades on here are pretty bad I can't imagine this guy is "in the mix" for too many championships when making trades like this. This isn't even a hindsight is 20/20 situation. Cooks was a late 1st/early 2nd startup last year and Hurns was maybe a 6th ? Then you get a pick on top ? If you guys get a chance take a stroll through last year's trades and you will see some interesting comments from people on how terrible trades were when they went completely the other way or people saying I would never give that for a 1 week wonder like Pryor and now look at Pryor.The guy is a Miami Homer to the core.
He wanted Hurns I made this offer as my starting point and he surprisingly accepted. He's one of the top guys in the league he's always in the hunt for the Championship.
Tex
14 team, TE premium, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 flex
Gave: David Johnson, 2018 2nd, Tajae Sharpe
Got: Corey Coleman, LeSean McCoy, 2017 1st
This is a pretty big trade, and I can see both sides, but I take Green and Jeffrey here. No complaints about someone who'd rather snag Julio though.
Give me the McCoy/1st side on this one. Fairly easily.
A year later would you guys still rather have Coleman/McCoy side "by a lot"Coleman side by a lot
Adams looks pretty good last year. Last year Sharpe was all the rage and no one wanted Adams (including me).Non-ppr Zealots IDP
Gave:
Adams, Davante GBP WR
Posluszny, Paul JAC LB
Got:
Sharpe, Tajae TEN WR
Drank the Kool Aid I guess. Poz is nearly done and Adams isn't good. Rolled the dice plus I'm going to have to whittle down to 53 guys from 60 somehow.
Ouch this one hurts. Here is a brutal mistake trade by me last year. I was offered a future 1st in 2017 for Coates, Wheaton and my future 2nd and I passed on that and decided to take John Brown instead. Well that 1st would been 1.02 this year and my 2nd was 2.08..........sighPPR
Coates and Wheaton
For
John Brown
With David Johnson emerging as an elite RB1, that side looks strong. And he's a lot younger than McCoy, but McCoy was a pretty good producer last year. Coleman getting hurt is what make this one look worse than it might have been, but that isnt the sort of thing to factor into a trade "in advance" since Coleman didnt have any history of injury that would be concerning.A year later would you guys still rather have Coleman/McCoy side "by a lot"
Parker......sucking....Ajayi awful...where is the guy who said Ajayi would been the 2nd best back in this draft ?
I am 1-4 and the guy I traded with is 4-1 right now.
Guess this trade wasn't so awful was it ?
Sometimes people over value "current value" (I am one of them). So the trades I make look "good" at the time but more often than not I have been on the wrong side of the trade a year later.
Michael Thomas was pick 10 what a bust!!!!!!!!!!!Bush league move Muto. You know better than most anything can happen down the road but value is judged the moment the trade is made. If you buy a house valued at 200k for 400k you made a terrible purchase. If you later strike oil in the backyard and become a millionaire the purchase was still a horrible one, you just got lucky after the fact.
The trade was awful when it was made. Someone would have given more for that for Parker at the time, and another 50% for Ajayi minimum. Or are you going to come back here in a couple of years and tell us how bad those picks busted and apologize that yes, it was indeed a bad trade since the guys picked sucked?
12 team non PPR:
A gives Sammie Coates
B gives DeVante Adams and a top three 3rd round pick in 2017
Both players will serve as depth and spot-starters.
Classic example of what I was talking about. No one wants Coates over Adams now but at the time this deemed "awful"...well it was but awful in the other direction.Coates. Adams is awful, this was a good sell on Adams here IMO.
Yeah, revisited that one on my league site the other day. Wanted to punch myself.Adams looks pretty good last year. Last year Sharpe was all the rage and no one wanted Adams (including me).
Give me the pieces. I wouldn't deal for gio before the nfl draft - Cincinnati is expected to take a running back in the first couple rounds and he'll probably become cheaper whether he's less valuable or not. But this feels like close to full price even if Cincinnati stands pat with Hill and Bernard.12 Team PPR, Q,R,R,W,W,W,T,F,D
Team A got: Rob Kelley, RB Was; Tyler Lockett, WR, Sea; 2017 Draft Pick 2.09
Team B got: Giovanni Bernard, RB, Cin
12 Team PPRAnybody see any Mike Evans trades go down in their leagues recently?