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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (21 Viewers)

12 Team PPR

Team A got Allen Robinson, Sammy Watkins, Breshad Perriman, Donte Moncrief and 2018 1st

Team B got Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Kenny Stills and Ameer Abdullah
And as I post you put this up.  This is Amari Cooper for free... unless it's start 5+ WR's

 
Michael Thomas was pick 10 what a bust!!!!!!!!!!!

How was it a bush move to call out what was happening at the time it was happening ?  People are so quick to call out trades are awful when half the time they go the other way.  People never remember this ever either.  I do though.  I traded the #1 overall pick for Cruz in this same league in 2013 and I was told how awful that was to get Cruz for "just one pick"....one pick aka #1 overall isn't just one pick.  Also one guy said he was going to quit the league if I ever made another trade like that......yep Cruz was fantastic since that deal........not.  Also the guy who traded me Cruz turned around and traded that #1 pick for Antonio Brown, 1.07, future 2015 1st and 3rd.  That future 2015 1st ended up pick 2 ala Gurley.  I am guessing I would have rather had Brown, Gurley and whoever else over Cruz.  

Ajayi at least turned it around after looking like he was going to be nothing when the team sat him at home week 1.  Parker on the other hand looks like who knows.  Michael Thomas meanwhile the guy I would have taken at pick 10 of course is now a late 1st round startup pick.  Doctson went 6th I would have grabbed him there as well unsure of his future but I would have rather had Thomas and Doctson over Ajayi and Parker.

Certainly not the horrible trade most of you made it out to be at the time (6/10 for Parker, Ajayi) and my team sucked last year missed the playoffs anyway and the other guy on this board who makes tons of trades in this league in the same league barely lost the championship for the 2nd year (the guy who is always critical of all my trades in this league even though hardly any of them have worked out since 2013 like when I traded for Trent Richardson and got him "cheap" lol.

Anyway had to get that off my chest.  Moving on.
You clearly like to harbor past opinions that you don't like. Maybe you will feel better if you put more self-gloating accolades in your sig.

 
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Give me the pieces.  I wouldn't deal for gio before the nfl draft - Cincinnati is expected to take a running back in the first couple rounds and he'll probably become cheaper whether he's less valuable or not.  But this feels like close to full price even if Cincinnati stands pat with Hill and Bernard.  
Gio for me

 
Anybody see any Mike Evans trades go down in their leagues recently?
One Evans trade and a few others by me (in different leagues) in the past couple of months.    1ppr

Keenan, KBenj, TBoyd    for    M.Evans, Goff

2.02  for  CJ Anderson (start 1 rb)

2.12  for  Delanie Walker   (devy league, so pick is really mid 3rd)

Kbenj   for  CJAnderson + 2.12   (start 2 rb)

Eddie Lacy + 4.6  for  2.7  (start 2 rb)

 
And as I post you put this up.  This is Amari Cooper for free... unless it's start 5+ WR's
Wow you're really high on Evans. 

12 Team PPR

Team A got Allen Robinson, Sammy Watkins, Breshad Perriman, Donte Moncrief and 2018 1st

Team B got Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Kenny Stills and Ameer Abdullah
I see this as Watkins/Montcrief/2018 1 for Evans.

ARob/Perriman for Cooper/AA. 

Seems pretty fair to me.

 
12 Team PPR

Team A got Allen Robinson, Sammy Watkins, Breshad Perriman, Donte Moncrief and 2018 1st

Team B got Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Kenny Stills and Ameer Abdullah


Wow you're really high on Evans. 

I see this as Watkins/Montcrief/2018 1 for Evans.

ARob/Perriman for Cooper/AA. 

Seems pretty fair to me.
I'm not a fan of Arob or Watkins and Perriman and Monc are depth pieces at best and WR3 bye week fillers.  Evans and Amari are both 23 and 22 respectively, no major injuries to recurring problems at all, and multiple 1000 yd seasons.  Watkins has foot questions, Arob had 1 great year and 1 kinda average year (2016).  Maybe it's not exactly "Amari for free" like I mentioned before but that's the side to take in a landslide.  If I got offered Watkins/Monc/2018 1st for Evans, discussions are barely starting.  

 
I'm not a fan of Arob or Watkins and Perriman and Monc are depth pieces at best and WR3 bye week fillers.  Evans and Amari are both 23 and 22 respectively, no major injuries to recurring problems at all, and multiple 1000 yd seasons.  Watkins has foot questions, Arob had 1 great year and 1 kinda average year (2016).  Maybe it's not exactly "Amari for free" like I mentioned before but that's the side to take in a landslide.  If I got offered Watkins/Monc/2018 1st for Evans, discussions are barely starting.  
Yes I know, you already said he's untouchable to you so I would expect you to have this opinion in particular if you don't like Watkins and ARob to begin with.

But I think many see Watkins (WR1 upside just like Evans) Moncrief (WR2 upside), 2018 1 as a pretty solid trade for Evans. They are pieces that have significant value and if they reach their full potential (not likely, I know) they would blow Evans' value out of the water. Probably not an overpay for Evans as many would want, however. 

 
One Evans trade and a few others by me (in different leagues) in the past couple of months.    1ppr

Keenan, KBenj, TBoyd    for    M.Evans, Goff

2.02  for  CJ Anderson (start 1 rb)

2.12  for  Delanie Walker   (devy league, so pick is really mid 3rd)

Kbenj   for  CJAnderson + 2.12   (start 2 rb)

Eddie Lacy + 4.6  for  2.7  (start 2 rb)
I'm not as high as most on evans, Allen or Benjamin so I'll take the consensus best player in Evans and look to flip. 

Anderson for 2.2 is fair - if Denver drafts a back I'll take 2.2 by a little, if they don't I'll take Anderson by a lot.  If I can afford to gamble I'll take Anderson. 

I'll take Delanie for 2.12 in a devy. Seems fair. 

I'll take Benjamin over cja/2.12 in ppr. Harder decision in non ppr because I'm not that high on Benjamin, but still probably take Kelvin

Lacy over 2.7 by a lot in start 2rb.  No idea which player at 2.7 has the upside lacy does but that's no longer my concern.  

 
Yes I know, you already said he's untouchable to you so I would expect you to have this opinion in particular if you don't like Watkins and ARob to begin with.

But I think many see Watkins (WR1 upside just like Evans) Moncrief (WR2 upside), 2018 1 as a pretty solid trade for Evans. They are pieces that have significant value and if they reach their full potential (not likely, I know) they would blow Evans' value out of the water. Probably not an overpay for Evans as many would want, however. 
I bolded the key words here.  If it's not likely then I fail to see how it's close.  This is 2 sure fire top10 dynasty WR's for a questionable top10 WR in Arob, and a "Oh if he hits his ceiling he MIGHT get to top10".  At what point do you write the book on a guy?  I go by 3 seasons as a good base for "he is what he is" and Watkins is injury prone in an average offense.  In 2015 he was WR17 in my ppr league, while missing 3 games, and even if he has 3 more games does he really crack the top10 (30 point difference btw)?  That is his upside.  A not likely to hit his full potential WR and a good WR2 on a fantasy team.  He's Roddy White at best, some good years and some elite years, not Julio Jones a yearly top of the crop WR.  

 
You do realize Rudolph is usually injured as well? So then you are hoping to get someone as good as Gronk, who has been the one of the top 3 fantasy tight ends of all time over his career, at 1.08 or 1.15?
Rudolph played 16 games each of the last two years.  More importantly, he's not coming off his second major back surgery.  I also didn't say I was hoping to get someone as good as Gronkowski with the picks, my exact words were "take a shot at his successor", a TE I can trust to start.  I suppose one could extrapolate "successor" to mean "next elite TE" but that isn't really the expectation, although Engram has that potential in my eyes.  So maybe I would restate it with "and take a shot at finding a long-term starter at TE".

I like competitive advantages, and am willing to accept the risk in Gronk to have that advantage when he is in the lineup. When he isn't in the lineup, I can start my TE2. 
I do like this thought process, but at what point does that potential advantage from Gronkowski get outweighed by the return?

 
Landed a couple of stud RBs in a couple leagues the past few weeks.

16 team IDP dynasty:

Gave:  1.15, 2018 1st, 3.05, 3.06 and Vince Williams (2 year deal)

Got:  David Johnson (3 year deal), 2018 5th

--  2 firsts is a lot to give up but with the way my team's constructed the '18 should also be late.  The 3rds were tough to part with too in this draft but still have 2 2nds and 2 4ths.  And a bonafide stud RB to pair with the likes of Brees, McCoy, Thomas, Hilton and a top-line set of IDPs

----

14 team IDP dynasty:

Gave: 1.06, 2018 1st, 3.07

Got:  Le'Veon Bell (1 year deal, but very owner-friendly franchise tag rule), 2018 7th, 2018 8th

--  Again, 2 1sts a lot to give but this team is now mega-stacked too.  Still have 1.03, 1.07 and 1.08.  Bell links up with Freeman, Luck, Cooper and solid IDPs.

 
Landed a couple of stud RBs in a couple leagues the past few weeks.

16 team IDP dynasty:

Gave:  1.15, 2018 1st, 3.05, 3.06 and Vince Williams (2 year deal)

Got:  David Johnson (3 year deal), 2018 5th

--  2 firsts is a lot to give up but with the way my team's constructed the '18 should also be late.  The 3rds were tough to part with too in this draft but still have 2 2nds and 2 4ths.  And a bonafide stud RB to pair with the likes of Brees, McCoy, Thomas, Hilton and a top-line set of IDPs

----

14 team IDP dynasty:

Gave: 1.06, 2018 1st, 3.07

Got:  Le'Veon Bell (1 year deal, but very owner-friendly franchise tag rule), 2018 7th, 2018 8th

--  Again, 2 1sts a lot to give but this team is now mega-stacked too.  Still have 1.03, 1.07 and 1.08.  Bell links up with Freeman, Luck, Cooper and solid IDPs.
In the Johnson deal you may be giving up two 1sts, but they are both probably late. So, that plus 2 mid 3rds and Williams is not a lot to give up for a bellcow like DJ. 

 
I bolded the key words here.  If it's not likely then I fail to see how it's close.  This is 2 sure fire top10 dynasty WR's for a questionable top10 WR in Arob, and a "Oh if he hits his ceiling he MIGHT get to top10".  At what point do you write the book on a guy?  I go by 3 seasons as a good base for "he is what he is" and Watkins is injury prone in an average offense.  In 2015 he was WR17 in my ppr league, while missing 3 games, and even if he has 3 more games does he really crack the top10 (30 point difference btw)?  That is his upside.  A not likely to hit his full potential WR and a good WR2 on a fantasy team.  He's Roddy White at best, some good years and some elite years, not Julio Jones a yearly top of the crop WR.  
All of them reaching their full potential isn't likely, pretty sure you know this is what I was saying. They don't all have to hit their full potential for it to be slanted towards that side.

How soon we forget that this time last year Mike Evans was the so called, "questionable top 10 WR". One of highest drop rates in league, etc, etc. Arob put up a season I doubt Cooper ever will approach, hell his 2015 was as good or better than Evans' 2016. Both he and Watkins are top 12 WRs in dynasty. 

I think you're letting recency bias get the best of you here (Watkins Burt again, ARob way down in 2016) and obviously your lack of love for the two guys as well. You also seem to be assuming that Watkins will stay with the Bills long term. He can go elsewhere and find himself in a much better situation. Same is true for Arob. That along with Moncrief and the 2018 1 and this one is pretty much a wash for this year. 

 
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Was this an okay trade went back and forth for days! 12 team ppr

gave: Benjamin, Crowder, 2.7, 3.7

got: Lamar Miller, Kevin White, 2.1, Alfred Blue

 
12 tm PPR, start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) - starting lineup is small, but my RBs were horrific (this was a dispersal team last year, not even 1 starting caliber RB) - my WRs were Cooper, K.Benjamin, Snead, Meredith, Treadwell, Enunwa...but I also owned 1.01, 1.02 and 2.02.  Made 2 deals yesterday:

1) Gave: K.Benjamin, 2018 2nd

Got: Hyde, 2018 3rd

2)Gave: 1.02 and M.Lee

Got: AJ Green

I plan on taking LF at 1 barring some awful situation scenario, so will now start:

Hyde, LF

Cooper, Green, 1 of Snead/Meredith/Enunwa, etc

J.Reed

 
12 tm PPR, start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) - starting lineup is small, but my RBs were horrific (this was a dispersal team last year, not even 1 starting caliber RB) - my WRs were Cooper, K.Benjamin, Snead, Meredith, Treadwell, Enunwa...but I also owned 1.01, 1.02 and 2.02.  Made 2 deals yesterday:

1) Gave: K.Benjamin, 2018 2nd

Got: Hyde, 2018 3rd

2)Gave: 1.02 and M.Lee

Got: AJ Green

I plan on taking LF at 1 barring some awful situation scenario, so will now start:

Hyde, LF

Cooper, Green, 1 of Snead/Meredith/Enunwa, etc

J.Reed
I like both trades in your favor.

 
12 tm PPR, start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) - starting lineup is small, but my RBs were horrific (this was a dispersal team last year, not even 1 starting caliber RB) - my WRs were Cooper, K.Benjamin, Snead, Meredith, Treadwell, Enunwa...but I also owned 1.01, 1.02 and 2.02.  Made 2 deals yesterday:

1) Gave: K.Benjamin, 2018 2nd

Got: Hyde, 2018 3rd

2)Gave: 1.02 and M.Lee

Got: AJ Green

I plan on taking LF at 1 barring some awful situation scenario, so will now start:

Hyde, LF

Cooper, Green, 1 of Snead/Meredith/Enunwa, etc

J.Reed
Love the first one for you, like the second for you.  

 
Landed a couple of stud RBs in a couple leagues the past few weeks.

16 team IDP dynasty:

Gave:  1.15, 2018 1st, 3.05, 3.06 and Vince Williams (2 year deal)

Got:  David Johnson (3 year deal), 2018 5th

--  2 firsts is a lot to give up but with the way my team's constructed the '18 should also be late.  The 3rds were tough to part with too in this draft but still have 2 2nds and 2 4ths.  And a bonafide stud RB to pair with the likes of Brees, McCoy, Thomas, Hilton and a top-line set of IDPs

----

14 team IDP dynasty:

Gave: 1.06, 2018 1st, 3.07

Got:  Le'Veon Bell (1 year deal, but very owner-friendly franchise tag rule), 2018 7th, 2018 8th

--  Again, 2 1sts a lot to give but this team is now mega-stacked too.  Still have 1.03, 1.07 and 1.08.  Bell links up with Freeman, Luck, Cooper and solid IDPs.
Highway robbery for Johnson.  2 late rookie firsts (1.15 isn't even a first in 12 man leagues) is not a lot to give up for the #1 dynasty asset and 3rd round rookie picks are trivial in this equation.  1.15 in  startup is probably going to go in the Marvin Jones area of the draft, so this is like trading two Marvin Jones' for DJ.  Ludicrous.

Bell deal is nearly as bad, but at least the other owner has injury, suspension risk, and potentially moving on from PIT/losing Big Ben as an excuse for giving away a top 10 asset.

And you got late picks thrown in on your side just because.  Who are these people and why aren't they in my leagues?

 
12 tm PPR, start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) - starting lineup is small, but my RBs were horrific (this was a dispersal team last year, not even 1 starting caliber RB) - my WRs were Cooper, K.Benjamin, Snead, Meredith, Treadwell, Enunwa...but I also owned 1.01, 1.02 and 2.02.  Made 2 deals yesterday:

1) Gave: K.Benjamin, 2018 2nd

Got: Hyde, 2018 3rd

2)Gave: 1.02 and M.Lee

Got: AJ Green

I plan on taking LF at 1 barring some awful situation scenario, so will now start:

Hyde, LF

Cooper, Green, 1 of Snead/Meredith/Enunwa, etc

J.Reed


I like both trades in your favor.


Love the first one for you, like the second for you.  
Has KB fallen this much?  I think it's a fine deal if you need a RB, but as I have Hyde I'd trade him rather quickly for KB and a bump up in the draft.  (FWIW, I have 4 RBs I like to start, not counting Jamal Charles, and we can only start 1-2 so I'm actually looking to trade one)

 
Highway robbery for Johnson.  2 late rookie firsts (1.15 isn't even a first in 12 man leagues) is not a lot to give up for the #1 dynasty asset and 3rd round rookie picks are trivial in this equation.  1.15 in  startup is probably going to go in the Marvin Jones area of the draft, so this is like trading two Marvin Jones' for DJ.  Ludicrous.

Bell deal is nearly as bad, but at least the other owner has injury, suspension risk, and potentially moving on from PIT/losing Big Ben as an excuse for giving away a top 10 asset.

And you got late picks thrown in on your side just because.  Who are these people and why aren't they in my leagues?
when teams are willing to make those deals, I'm more curious about how they got DJ/Bell in the first place and how they kept them this long.  Seems they'd have had a better offer by now and have no idea what they're doing.  If It's a salary cap league it might make more sense.

 
Has KB fallen this much?  I think it's a fine deal if you need a RB, but as I have Hyde I'd trade him rather quickly for KB and a bump up in the draft.  (FWIW, I have 4 RBs I like to start, not counting Jamal Charles, and we can only start 1-2 so I'm actually looking to trade one)
KB has fallen that much. I bet he bounces back some this year, but Cam isn't a very reliable passer and KB's value is pretty low in my league at least.

 
Has KB fallen this much?  I think it's a fine deal if you need a RB, but as I have Hyde I'd trade him rather quickly for KB and a bump up in the draft.  (FWIW, I have 4 RBs I like to start, not counting Jamal Charles, and we can only start 1-2 so I'm actually looking to trade one)
Whether he has fallen or not I can't say but I easily prefer Hyde over him and if I'm hurting at RB, throwing in a future 2nd for future 3rd is a great deal.  

 
when teams are willing to make those deals, I'm more curious about how they got DJ/Bell in the first place and how they kept them this long.  Seems they'd have had a better offer by now and have no idea what they're doing.  If It's a salary cap league it might make more sense.
I agree.  No mention of salary cap by OP, but he did mention contract years.  3 years for DJ is plenty for him to hold value, and Bell has a 1 year deal with a friendly Franchise Tag rule so no challenge keeping him there for (I assume) any length contract he wants to assign.

Personally I'm selling Bell, but only at full price.  I saw a deal for him go for 1.02, 1.08, and 1.14, seller took over an orphan and is in rebuild mode.  That's an entire 1.02 more than Nirad paid and that's what I would need to move him.  As a competitor I'd need someone like Hopkins or AJG to anchor the trade with maybe some pieces thrown in.

 
-OZ- said:
Has KB fallen this much?  I think it's a fine deal if you need a RB, but as I have Hyde I'd trade him rather quickly for KB and a bump up in the draft.  (FWIW, I have 4 RBs I like to start, not counting Jamal Charles, and we can only start 1-2 so I'm actually looking to trade one)
I was pretty desperate for a RB - we have to start at least 2 and my RBs were Matt Jones, C.Sims, Langford and Asiata, lol (again, dispersal last year with NO RBs to speak of)...and I didn't want to rely on 2 rookie RBs with the 1st 2 picks...and given that we can start 3 WRs max, I feel as if I have upgraded my lineup in a major way with both deals.

 
CabinFever said:
Was this an okay trade went back and forth for days! 12 team ppr

gave: Benjamin, Crowder, 2.7, 3.7

got: Lamar Miller, Kevin White, 2.1, Alfred Blue
Not close to me; Miller/White side by far.

 
Sitch said:
12 tm PPR, start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) - starting lineup is small, but my RBs were horrific (this was a dispersal team last year, not even 1 starting caliber RB) - my WRs were Cooper, K.Benjamin, Snead, Meredith, Treadwell, Enunwa...but I also owned 1.01, 1.02 and 2.02.  Made 2 deals yesterday:

1) Gave: K.Benjamin, 2018 2nd

Got: Hyde, 2018 3rd

2)Gave: 1.02 and M.Lee

Got: AJ Green

I plan on taking LF at 1 barring some awful situation scenario, so will now start:

Hyde, LF

Cooper, Green, 1 of Snead/Meredith/Enunwa, etc

J.Reed
Just hope SF doesn't draft LF

 
12 team, start Q R WWW T + 2 flex. .5 ppr for rbs, 1 ppr for wr/te. 

Team A received M. Bryant, pick 1.09, 2018 1st (7-12), $75 bb (teams get $500 per year to use on fas and rfas, $ rolls over)

team B received Mel Gordon. 

~~~~~

Team A received C Meredith, 2 2018 1sts (7-12), 2017 pick 17

Team C received Jordan Howard, 2017 pick 31

~~~~

Team A has picks 3, 5, 9, and 9 picks between 15 and 33, plus 4 2018 firsts and 2 2018 seconds. 

Team A: 

Brees, mariota 

abdullah, procise, yeldon, Rawls, sims 

k.allen, Watkins, Meredith, Bryant, D.Parker, M. Floyd, J. Gordon

H. Henry, L. Green

thoughts?

 
12 team, start Q R WWW T + 2 flex. .5 ppr for rbs, 1 ppr for wr/te. 

Team A received M. Bryant, pick 1.09, 2018 1st (7-12), $75 bb (teams get $500 per year to use on fas and rfas, $ rolls over)

team B received Mel Gordon. 

~~~~~

Team A received C Meredith, 2 2018 1sts (7-12), 2017 pick 17

Team C received Jordan Howard, 2017 pick 31

~~~~

Team A has picks 3, 5, 9, and 9 picks between 15 and 33, plus 4 2018 firsts and 2 2018 seconds. 

Team A: 

Brees, mariota 

abdullah, procise, yeldon, Rawls, sims 

k.allen, Watkins, Meredith, Bryant, D.Parker, M. Floyd, J. Gordon

H. Henry, L. Green

thoughts?
Pretty even in trade 1, think I would take Bryant since receivers get full PPR.

I would take the pick side over Howard, I like Howard, but 3 mid to late 1sts plus a 14 pick bump in a loaded draft is a lot.

 
Hankmoody said:
I agree.  No mention of salary cap by OP, but he did mention contract years.  3 years for DJ is plenty for him to hold value, and Bell has a 1 year deal with a friendly Franchise Tag rule so no challenge keeping him there for (I assume) any length contract he wants to assign.

Personally I'm selling Bell, but only at full price.  I saw a deal for him go for 1.02, 1.08, and 1.14, seller took over an orphan and is in rebuild mode.  That's an entire 1.02 more than Nirad paid and that's what I would need to move him.  As a competitor I'd need someone like Hopkins or AJG to anchor the trade with maybe some pieces thrown in.
Yeah not a salary cap, just contract years.  I'm not sure if I mentioned it in my OP, but this was in separate leagues (obviously) but with the same guy.  This guy just loves to tinker and LOVES draft picks.  He basically just strips down his team minus a few young assets every year and drafts 30 rookies.  Why he wouldn't want to just keep an asset like DJ to build around is beyond me, though.  He really didn't even have Johnson on the block but I had some spare parts, some good picks and had a history of big deals with the guy so I approached him about a potential blockbuster.    He got DJ in a trade last year right before the season started.  Gave up Paxton Lynch, Ajayi and a few other decent parts.

This is a long-standing (my original dynasty) league with a few wildcards but overall a very solid league.  

 
12 Team 1PPR SuperFlex TE Premium Rookie/Devy League. Both rebuilding teams:

Team A received: 1.04, 1.10, 2.04
Team B received: Brandon Cooks

 
12 Team 1PPR SuperFlex TE Premium Rookie/Devy League. Both rebuilding teams:

Team A received: 1.04, 1.10, 2.04
Team B received: Brandon Cooks
Picks by a lot. No idea how cooks carries that much value right now, probably would rather have 1.4 straight up.  But in te premium/super flex, 1.10 is a huge pick even with a lot of devy guys off the board already. 

 
Picks by a lot. No idea how cooks carries that much value right now, probably would rather have 1.4 straight up.  But in te premium/super flex, 1.10 is a huge pick even with a lot of devy guys off the board already. 
Fournette, Cook, Davis, Mwilliams, Mccaffery, Watson, JuJu, Dupri off the board already, and the devy draft is separate so the rookie picks are pretty diluted. 

I took Cooks here, but probably would have kept the picks if I wasn't dealing with a serious roster crunch (still have pick 1, 2, 3, 7, 12, 14, 15)

 
Non-ppr Zealots

Gave: AP and Eli Manning 

Got: 2.12 & 6.12

Could I/should I have gotten more? Maybe. But I'd rather take a chance in the lottery than hope to squeeze a meaningful start out of either of these guys.  I wouldn't have likely ever started Manning anyway what with Carr/Dalton ahead of him on the roster. 

AP I couldn't give two shakes about. 

 

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