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Like that one a lot.10 team QQRRWWWW PPR with IDP
Gave: Dak, 1.9, 2.10
Got: Alvin Kamara
Like that one a lot.10 team QQRRWWWW PPR with IDP
Gave: Dak, 1.9, 2.10
Got: Alvin Kamara
Because it's inaccurate. Most only follow the Texans in passing unlike us homers, but Miller injured his knee in week 14 and the Texans were well out of the playoffs. Blue got more carries (Miller still played in those games and started all but week 17) because there was no reason to overwork Miller with the season over like O'Brien admitted they did in 2016. Plus Blue was auditioning for a roster spot in 2018 as he was going to be a FA.I think people drafting him as a RB2 will be disappointed too. The dude was benched for Alfred Blue last year. Alfred Blue. Why is everyone just shrugging that off?
Team 1 got robbed.Phantom Knight said:Dynasty,12-team, ppr. Hot off the wire:
Team 1 gave up
Team 2 gave up
- Bryant, Dez DAL WR
- Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick
Is there new information out on Dez or Britt?!!
- Britt, Kenny NEP WR
This is a #### trade even if Dez announced his retirement tomorrowPhantom Knight said:Dynasty,12-team, ppr. Hot off the wire:
Team 1 gave up
Team 2 gave up
- Bryant, Dez DAL WR
- Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick
Is there new information out on Dez or Britt?!!
- Britt, Kenny NEP WR
Yep. I don't even see how anyone pays the third for Britt.This is a #### trade even if Dez announced his retirement tomorrow
What possible information could even have come out that would make this even remotely fair? I mean maybe if news came out that Dez passed away and Kenny Britt was injectected with that super serum that they used on Captain America. Then maybe.Phantom Knight said:Dynasty,12-team, ppr. Hot off the wire:
Team 1 gave up
Team 2 gave up
- Bryant, Dez DAL WR
- Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick
Is there new information out on Dez or Britt?!!
- Britt, Kenny NEP WR
the information is that Team 1 and Team 2 are colluding...so that both of them have losing teams.What possible information could even have come out that would make this even remotely fair? I mean maybe if news came out that Dez passed away and Kenny Britt was injectected with that super serum that they used on Captain America. Then maybe.
Salary cap ramifications???Phantom Knight said:Dynasty,12-team, ppr. Hot off the wire:
Team 1 gave up
Team 2 gave up
- Bryant, Dez DAL WR
- Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick
Is there new information out on Dez or Britt?!!
- Britt, Kenny NEP WR
No. Normal-till-you-drop-player dynasty. I have been in the league several years (with both owners) and have not see anything askance until this.Salary cap ramifications???
I do. He lacked motivation last year. I can understand why. I believe he can still get above DBs and come down with the ball. Dak is too conservative for Dez. Dez needs a gunslinger.Do you still believe ?
I do not understand or agree with the bolded? He was the only legit receiving threat on the team, then they lost Zeke and he had to know he would be an easy cut if he under performed due to his cap number, plus the Cowboys didn't get eliminated from the playoffs until the last week.I do. He lacked motivation last year. I can understand why. I believe he can still get above DBs and come down with the ball. Dak is too conservative for Dez. Dez needs a gunslinger.
It never felt like Dez was the focal point of the passing game. He had 5 games with 10 or more targets last year. I believe that wore on Dez. As the season progressed there wasn't any chemistry between Dak and Dez. Dez didn't finish the season putting his all into the game.I do not understand or agree with the bolded? He was the only legit receiving threat on the team, then they lost Zeke and he had to know he would be an easy cut if he under performed due to his cap number, plus the Cowboys didn't get eliminated from the playoffs until the last week.
I kind of agree with the underlined, not that Dak is bad or super conservative as you say, but because doesn't get separation anymore, he needs a bad qb that will force it his way no matter what, or Dez needs to be the 3rd option on offense and get less attention and play against the weaker corners.
If that wore on Dez, then he is hopeless. He still average 8.3 targets a game which was good for 12th in the league.It never felt like Dez was the focal point of the passing game. He had 5 games with 10 or more targets last year. I believe that wore on Dez. As the season progressed there wasn't any chemistry between Dak and Dez. Dez didn't finish the season putting his all into the game.
I like Dak as the QB he's the anti-Romo. He takes what the defense gives him, doesn't force the ball downfield and won't hesitate to tuck and run or dump off.
Good point, but his catch rate went down post Romo. I think a good portion of those targets are uncatchable balls. Romo would take chances with Dez and had learned where to put the ball to give Dez a chance. Dak plays it safe and results in an incompletion, overrthrown out of bounds. How many throws to Dez last year were purposefully overthrown? A lot. It's partly Dez's age, but it's also on Dak (aversion to taking chances) and Garrett (playcalling, not having him do stuff he can still do well). Only thing worse than not getting targets is when the only ones you get sail over your head cause your QB doesn't trust you.If that wore on Dez, then he is hopeless. He still average 8.3 targets a game which was good for 12th in the league.
If the barometer is that he needs someone as accurate as Romo, one of the most accurate passers in NFL history, to be successful then it's going to be a long few years as we count down to the end of his career.Good point, but his catch rate went down post Romo. I think a good portion of those targets are uncatchable balls. Romo would take chances with Dez and had learned where to put the ball to give Dez a chance. Dak plays it safe and results in an incompletion, overrthrown out of bounds. How many throws to Dez last year were purposefully overthrown? A lot. It's partly Dez's age, but it's also on Dak (aversion to taking chances) and Garrett (playcalling, not having him do stuff he can still do well). Only thing worse than not getting targets is when the only ones you get sail over your head cause your QB doesn't trust you.
I think that's an oversimplification. He needs someone who will throw into traffic. Dak is similar to (pre-17?) Alex Smith or early McNabb. He plays it safe, almost painfully so. Dak's best match is a good route runner. That was never Dez. Dez never got a lot of separation, even when he was closer to 4.5 than 4.7. He depended on a QB who would throw into tight coverage and let him get it. If Dez goes to Buffalo, then yeah his career is over. It wouldn't have been much better with Flacco. Winston would be a good match not because he is accurate but because he'll throw it up there.If the barometer is that he needs someone as accurate as Romo, one of the most accurate passers in NFL history, to be successful then it's going to be a long few years as we count down to the end of his career.
Dak isn't great, but there are plenty of WRs putting up better numbers with worse QB play.
Yet Dez is never open and he was still top 12 in the league in targets, so Dak must have been throwing into plenty of coverage.I think that's an oversimplification. He needs someone who will throw into traffic. Dak is similar to (pre-17?) Alex Smith or early McNabb. He plays it safe, almost painfully so. Dak's best match is a good route runner. That was never Dez. Dez never got a lot of separation, even when he was closer to 4.5 than 4.7. He depended on a QB who would throw into tight coverage and let him get it. If Dez goes to Buffalo, then yeah his career is over. It wouldn't have been much better with Flacco. Winston would be a good match not because he is accurate but because he'll throw it up there.
Here's some backup for the catchable balls business.Yet Dez is never open and he was still top 12 in the league in targets, so Dak must have been throwing into plenty of coverage.
I couldn't find whole season stats, but the last report I saw on catchable targets was week 11 and Dez was 11th in the league at that point.
I mean I get the theory behind what you're saying, and it makes sense logically, but there are a lot of things in football that seem to make logical sense but don't really play out that way in real life. Dez was among the worst in the league at getting separation last year, but was top 12 in targets and catchable targets. That doesn't really seem like it would be possible if Dak wasn't willing to throw into tight coverage. He may not like it, but he did it for Dez.
There's some kind of weird disconnect with those stats, because apparently he was 12 in overall targets, 11th in catchable targets, but had a lower than normal percentage of catchable targets. That doesn't really add up.Here's some backup for the catchable balls business.
https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/935330385290022913?lang=en
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/986254718904274949
Also there's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25mQ4eCtw0U&feature=player_embedded
personally I hate the 2nd one, would have grabbed Guice at 1.4 and been happy. Jones is a couple tiers below for meGave: 1.2 while OTC, guy took Penny
Got: 1.4, 3.1, 4.1
Gave: 1.4 while OTC, guy took Guice
Got: 1.6 (took Jones), 2.2
Net is Gave 1.2 and got Jones, 2.2, 3.1, 4.1
Not a big preference for me on these RBs.
UPDATE:
Gave: 2.2, 2019 4, Seals-Jones
Got: 2.1
Someone picked Hayden Hurst at 1.10 so one of Ridley or Kirk will be available.
Fair comment. I do like Guice more than Jones but Thompson will limit Guice’s 3rd down availability for the foreseeable future.personally I hate the 2nd one, would have grabbed Guice at 1.4 and been happy. Jones is a couple tiers below for me
I think you did well. 3.1 will be another quality part.Fair comment. I do like Guice more than Jones but Thompson will limit Guice’s 3rd down availability for the foreseeable future.
Ended up:
Gave: 1.2 (Penny), Seals-Jones, 2019 4
Got: 1.6 (Ronald Jones), 2.1 (Kirk), 3.1, 4.1
Kirk falling really helped a lot (big dropoff after him), but I still personally would have kept the 1.2 as like Jemima I have Guice/Penny well ahead of Jones.Fair comment. I do like Guice more than Jones but Thompson will limit Guice’s 3rd down availability for the foreseeable future.
Ended up:
Gave: 1.2 (Penny), Seals-Jones, 2019 4
Got: 1.6 (Ronald Jones), 2.1 (Kirk), 3.1, 4.1
Your team got considerably better and older.12 team PPR
Gave: Corey Davis, Chris Godwin, Austin Hooper, 1.05, 2.05, '19 1st
Got: Melvin Gordon, Julio Jones, Doug Baldwin, Jimmy Graham
A couple tiers you must have small tiers or really hate Jones and have him rated as like #12 overall to have him a couple tiers below Guice.personally I hate the 2nd one, would have grabbed Guice at 1.4 and been happy. Jones is a couple tiers below for me
This strikes me as a team that wants to rebuild their roster. Where is that '19 1st projected? I think that plays a big role, if it's early 1st then I find it tolerable. The value is definitely on the Julio/Melvin side but it isn't a bad haul either if you're looking to get a lot younger.12 team PPR
Gave: Corey Davis, Chris Godwin, Austin Hooper, 1.05, 2.05, '19 1st
Got: Melvin Gordon, Julio Jones, Doug Baldwin, Jimmy Graham
have guice at 2 and I have Jones at 9, so not sure I'm a hater but I see more risk with JonesA couple tiers you must have small tiers or really hate Jones and have him rated as like #12 overall to have him a couple tiers below Guice.
It may just be me but this seems like terrible value for his potential upside and I would take Bryant by 10 miles over this.He took Wilkins with the first pick and Jordan Akins with the second. His team is good and deep at WR but a little light at RB and old at TE so seems like a position based trade. At the time the trade was made some solid veteran WR's like Garcon and Hurns were available, I was leaning on drafting Garcon since I was not looking for a long term keeper and since keeping Martavis won't be easy for me to keep long term it could have been the better move, but I'd rather chase the upside.
Is this superflex? That seems crazy light for Kelce in a 1qb. He is an early/mid 2nd round startup pick in TE premium.Live Draft trade: 1ppr / 1.5ppr TE
Gave - Kelce
Got - 2.04 (took Hayden Hurst) + Deshaun Watson
... I was cruising w Cousins and Ben (who I think retires end of this year)
I think @EBF might approve of this one.
Funny story... I've been trying to sell on Kelce all offseason,a nd surprisingly, no one was biting.Is this superflex? That seems crazy light for Kelce in a 1qb. He is an early/mid 2nd round startup pick in TE premium.
Probably not just you. The owner who made the trade with me was saying the other day he's not sure what he was thinking making me that offer.It may just be me but this seems like terrible value for his potential upside and I would take Bryant by 10 miles over this.
I have no problem paying McKinnon and 1.7-1.10 for Chubb, but obviously it isn’t a guarantee the 1st is not early.Not involved, just in the league, FFPC:
Team A gave: Chubb
Team B gave: McKinnon, 2019#1(team had pick 1 this year in draft playoff format, but my guess pick will be in 7-10 range) and also threw in some late round picks.
I'd personally take McKinnon straight up over Chubb, but Chubb did go third in this draft and the team that got him had picks 1 and 2. So they end up with the top 3 picks of the draft.
Much, much, much prefer Kelce in TE premium unless this is either 8 PT per pass TD or superflex.Live Draft trade: 1ppr / 1.5ppr TE
Gave - Kelce
Got - 2.04 (took Hayden Hurst) + Deshaun Watson
... I was cruising w Cousins and Ben (who I think retires end of this year)
I think @EBF might approve of this one.
Love the deal for both teams really. You lost some value but if it helps you win the league and you wouldn’t have been likely to win prior, it isn’t the end of the world.12 team PPR
Gave: Corey Davis, Chris Godwin, Austin Hooper, 1.05, 2.05, '19 1st
Got: Melvin Gordon, Julio Jones, Doug Baldwin, Jimmy Graham
I don’t see the 2 and RoJo being that close in value but you got a nice second piece so if you really like RoJo as I know most do then you probably are on cloud 9. So for that, it was at worst a well constructed processFair comment. I do like Guice more than Jones but Thompson will limit Guice’s 3rd down availability for the foreseeable future.
Ended up:
Gave: 1.2 (Penny), Seals-Jones, 2019 4
Got: 1.6 (Ronald Jones), 2.1 (Kirk), 3.1, 4.1
Barkley and Adams.Went down a few days ago
12 team PPR (Keep 5).
Team A Gave Hopkins / 1.08
Team B Gave D.Adams / 1.01 (Presume Barkley)
I'd need a first the other way to give turn McKinnon into Chubb.I have no problem paying McKinnon and 1.7-1.10 for Chubb, but obviously it isn’t a guarantee the 1st is not early.